Vortex was supposed to be noob friendly

[haydon111]

 

 

 

Yup.Most unintuitive mod program I have ever used.Trust me even when you get your mods working flawlessly Vortex finds a way to mess it all up.Installing everything manually in morrowind was more simple and reliable than this.

 

"Intuitive" is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I found Vortex remarkably intuitive when I first started using it about a year ago. I had no trouble importing two games and setting up a new one in a matter of a few hours.

 

Morrowind is a pain for any mod manager, including the ones developed especially for it. That's because many Morrowind mods were created before widespread use of mod managers, and thus they are not packed properly for mod managers. They were designed to be manually installed, as you have discovered. If you want to install them with a mod manager, then you first have to repackage them.

 

I think you misunderstood what I said so I will re word.Installing mods for morrowind over a decade ago was more easy and reliable than using Vortex.OBSE was easier than vortex.Dragging and dropping each individual file manually with no manager and not even a youtube tut to teach you when I was just a young lad was easier and more reliable than vortex.Its not even seasoned modder (like myself) friendly.

 

I have installed mods in every kind of way that has ever been invented (most likely) and Vortex is by far the worst experience I have ever had.

 

 

 

OBSE is a Script Extender, NOT a Mod Manager. BTW so, you're confusing a Script Extender with a Mod Manager.

It's actually seasoned modder friendly, I've been modding since 2003, starting with Morrowind, and I find Vortex quite easy, of course I also spent time with the Knowledge Base and watching the built in Video Tutorials.

I think people expect they can just use Vortex just like NMM (Which does absolutely NOTHING)

Vortex requires more reading, and learning just like MO and MO2 do.

I've been using Vortex since about July of last year and I can get a load order of around 150 - 200 mods installed in roughly a half an hour, including resolving conflict resolution.

 

Modding Morrowind is a nightmare because some big mods have exe installers, and are missing textures or meshes, so you have to search other websites to read comments in threads on how to fix them etc.

Also, as Augusta said, packaging mods really didn't reach a true standard until Skyrim.

Even Mods for Oblivion, Fallout 3 and FONV have some issues with their packaging and need to be manually fixed by the user.

 

Anyway, this is the Vortex SUPPORT Forum, and not for you to hijack someone else's thread complaining about your experience with Vortex.

So unless you're looking to resolve a support issue with Vortex, please stop filling up the OP's thread so we can help him.

 

 

 

Sorry to hijack the thread,in replying you are also hijacking the thread and I am forced to reply to you "hijacking" it farther.I was just agreeing with him and obviously it was a slip of the keyboard and I meant OBMM.Yes modding morrowind was a nightmare that was my point but for me at least it was still easier than Vortex.

 

Yes I also did watch all the tuts on vortex but they had outdated to damn right wrong information in them and I lost every single mod I had,some you can't even get anymore.I didn't see the point in making a new thread that basically was the same subject which is why I commented here.I fixed my problem but only after about a week of hassle and losing every mod I had so I am obviously Abit disgruntled with the program even though I choose to still use it.

 

To the OP no need to quit modding you're just trying to install mods that have a few extra steps to get working than the average mod and using a program that has extra steps than the average mod organizer.Plenty of step to step guides out there to get them going (not for vortex).

[tvilleron]

Vortex is "NOT" an improvement over NMM for me! Little tiny mod views, a scattered and confusing menu, two weeks or more (off & on) trying to install Vortex until I just get Fed-Up with the entire process of upgrading! And still, I cannot figure out how to properly install it...every attempt gets the same results; "Mods can't be deployed" and then following and trying the "more and fix" options are just more of the same, "Mods can't be deployed". It is a pain in the ass trying to work this out! Give me the option of using my old NMM Format! The joy of playing Fallout 4 and other games has nearly vanished with this failed attempt to install Vortex. When I first downloaded NMM I was up and gaming in less than 15 to 20 minutes...no complications, no twists and turns or standing on my head trying to figure out the NMM deployment...NMM just took charge and had me gaming my favorite games nearly immediately, "THAT IS The Way It Should Be." Sorry guys, I know you’re doing your best...but for me this is just a looser! Maybe in in a few months or in a year or two I'll try it again, as for now, I'm heading back to Origin Gaming.

 

[HadToRegister]

Vortex is "NOT" an improvement over NMM for me! Little tiny mod views, a scattered and confusing menu, two weeks or more (off & on) trying to install Vortex until I just get Fed-Up with the entire process of upgrading! And still, I cannot figure out how to properly install it...every attempt gets the same results; "Mods can't be deployed" and then following and trying the "more and fix" options are just more of the same, "Mods can't be deployed". It is a pain in the ass trying to work this out! Give me the option of using my old NMM Format! The joy of playing Fallout 4 and other games has nearly vanished with this failed attempt to install Vortex. When I first downloaded NMM I was up and gaming in less than 15 to 20 minutes...no complications, no twists and turns or standing on my head trying to figure out the NMM deployment...NMM just took charge and had me gaming my favorite games nearly immediately, "THAT IS The Way It Should Be." Sorry guys, I know you’re doing your best...but for me this is just a looser! Maybe in in a few months or in a year or two I'll try it again, as for now, I'm heading back to Origin Gaming.

 

 

 

"Mods Can't Be Deployed"

 

Do you have your Mod Staging Folder on the same drive as your games?

 

 

[Lonerx0]

There is video Guide by Gopher... if you still have issues well restart the reading :P

[caralampio]

I can understand that NMM has issues but if they needed to improve they should have made a manager that is user friendly and not a construct for geeks only. They should have made NMM 1.0 i.e. just changing what needed to be changed in a newer version but same format. I tried to use Vortex but was completely befuddled, it is incomprehensible, few hours later I was back to NMM and had to reinstall everything! NMM is so easy to use and makes mod managing so clear. Seeing that Vortex is not practical for a lot of people, I think they should continue to support NMM and add to it whatever it is missing that Vortex does better.

Sure you can still use NMM but it's like Windows, down the road is the day they will pull the plug on the older program, say that new (or even all) mods will be only Vortex and then those of us who can't or won't use it will be left out.

[HadToRegister]

I can understand that NMM has issues but if they needed to improve they should have made a manager that is user friendly and not a construct for geeks only. They should have made NMM 1.0 i.e. just changing what needed to be changed in a newer version but same format. I tried to use Vortex but was completely befuddled, it is incomprehensible, few hours later I was back to NMM and had to reinstall everything! NMM is so easy to use and makes mod managing so clear. Seeing that Vortex is not practical for a lot of people, I think they should continue to support NMM and add to it whatever it is missing that Vortex does better.

Sure you can still use NMM but it's like Windows, down the road is the day they will pull the plug on the older program, say that new (or even all) mods will be only Vortex and then those of us who can't or won't use it will be left out.

 

 

The reason people have the illusion that NMM is "so easy", is because it doesn't do anything.

It doesn't tell you about mod conflicts, it doesn't sort your load order according to loot rules, it's an empty box with no moving parts

 

If you take the time to read the built in manual and watch some of the built in tutorials, you'd find Vortex easy to use.

 

The people that complain it's Incomprehensible are trying to jump in feet first without reading the knowledge base or watching the tutorials.

 

It does have a learning curve at first, but once you get past the initial hurdle of learning the difference between MODS and PLUGINS (like MO and MO2 uses) it's easy going from there.

You don't expect to use a 3D modeling program with reading the manual or watching tutorials and Vortex is no different.

 

When I first started with Vortex it took me a while to get one game set up, now I can get a game modded, 252 for FO4, 112 for FO3, 217 for Skyrim SE, in about a half hour, and fix any MOD conflicts in a minute or less

[caralampio]

I understand what you are saying HadToRegister. But the fact is, I never needed to read a lot of documents and see two dozen tutorial videos to use NMM. I installed and started using it right away, a few details that weren't clear at once I could figure out just by fooling around with the interface or do some easy searching. I have dozens and dozens of mods over seven games and they work just fine, which means NMM works, at least for the casual mod-user.

 

I'm sure some day I'll have to sit down and cram and learn to use Vortex but it seems to be a chore. Even those like you who like it and have learned to use it, all admit that it takes an effort to learn. So it is not user-friendly.

[HadToRegister]

I understand what you are saying HadToRegister. But the fact is, I never needed to read a lot of documents and see two dozen tutorial videos to use NMM. I installed and started using it right away, a few details that weren't clear at once I could figure out just by fooling around with the interface or do some easy searching. I have dozens and dozens of mods over seven games and they work just fine, which means NMM works, at least for the casual mod-user.

 

I'm sure some day I'll have to sit down and cram and learn to use Vortex but it seems to be a chore. Even those like you who like it and have learned to use it, all admit that it takes an effort to learn. So it is not user-friendly.

 

Well, what I would advise, is a slow transition like I did.

I kept my games managed with NMM, and decided to re-install Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas, and use Vortex for those two,. after all, if things went wrong, I wouldn't have anything to lose.

So that's what I did.

I struggled with Vortex at first, because I was coming from the "NMM school of micro-managing my ESPs, so intitally I was fighting AGAINST vortex by insisting Vortex sort things MY way, which ended up with me getting a ton of Cyclic References and Conflicts

 

Once I learned to 'let go' and let Vortex sort my ESPs, it gave me the ability to focus on the real important sorting, and that's MOD sorting, (textures, meshes, BA2s, BSAs etc)

Now, you can do that when you're installing mods with NMM, however it physically overwrites the files, and you need to install the mods in the correct order, and if you mess up, you have to uninstall the mods that conflict and reinstall them in the correct order for file overwrites.

 

Now, with Vortex, you can install them in any order, and when Vortex tells you there's a file conflict, you merely tell Vortex to Load Mod A before, or after Mod B and the conflict is resolved, and if you chose incorrectly, it's just a matter of changing the rule to Load Mod B before or after Mod A instead, and Vortex automatically restores the overwritten files and overwrites the new ones in the new load order you set.

 

After a while it becomes second nature because if you read the mod description pages, a lot of times the Mod Author will say "My mod needs to load before this other mod in order to work" so now when you get the mod conflict message, you know to set that mod to load BEFORE the other mod.

 

It's quite easy once you spend the time with it.

Anyway, that's how I would suggest people start using Vortex.

 

 

[caralampio]

Coincidentally I'm about to start installing mods for Fallout 3, I'll take the bait and try it again, how did you use Vortex just for FO3 and NV while still keeping most of the stuff active in NMM?

[HadToRegister]

Coincidentally I'm about to start installing mods for Fallout 3, I'll take the bait and try it again, how did you use Vortex just for FO3 and NV while still keeping most of the stuff active in NMM?

 

 

Easy, when I installed Vortex, I just had Vortex manage FO3 and FONV and ignored the other games I was managing with NMM

 

Vortex will detect the other games, but unless you tell Vortex to manage and import your other games it will ignore them

 

That way you can keep using NMM for your other games while using Vortex for FO3 and FONV

 

I'm willing to help anybody who is willing to learn, so feel free to ask and I'll try to help.