So I went and did a thing

[kellthekyuss]

errr. Hi,.

 

I went and made a patch to make a bunch of mods work together. Actually what I ended up doing with about the best fallout experience of my life.

A lot of it comes down to learning it isnt just load orders, but the sheer amount of unresolved conflicts which are inherent to how fallout 4 mods stuff (really actually neat from a programming perspective).

I digress. Once I actually learned that conflict resolution isnt always solved by load orders, I was left with no choice.

It actually started because my install was bad. which sucked because that folder had a lot of mod memories in it. But, once I learned it was bad I deleted it all and ran a fresh install,
what was next was tossing everything in and it still didnt work like I felt it should.

 

enter xedit. what a wonderful program

 

Then I truly saw all the work everyone had done

and then I saw truly all the unresolved conflicts within the game I was trying to run coherently.

In despair I knew it would never work.

 

So, I started, one by one, cell by cell. I learned how to resolve conflicts on my own.

I didnt touch the original files, I just tossed everything into new files for conflict resolution across the entire thing.

 

I call it Dastardly

Do i need to get permission from all the mod authors in order to use it or ? Is it doomed to only be a personal mod thing?

 

 

if it is I suppose you can delete the thread. I dont mind, but I know a lot of people have had a lot of issues meshing all these mods previously.

so I figured I would ask.

 

 

I do crash occasionally, usually when opening a vendor and its loading new data in, so i suspect just a memory leak.

Pile of corpses tends to stack up, and vendors sell a lot of stuff. No, it isnt even remotely ready, still stuff to do, like lower crafting xps etc.
But I figured to ask earlier before I put more weeks into the project. Basically at this time I need to know right now if what IM doing is a project or a hobby to keep me and the kids amused).

 

 

 

 

 

 

some of the mods involves

AWKCR
Armorsmith 8.5
Weaponsmith 2
Weapons of Fate
Bettler Locational Damage -
New Calibers (yes, 20mm vulcan, to 22lr, to 30-06, 308, .408 cheytac, .444 all of it)
Loads (yes, explosive 8mm works with every gun)
VISG - DefUI (with new icon.dll)
NPC Scaling (yes, everything scales to your level or better, I mean everything)
Synth Overhaul
Super Mutant Overhaul
Raider Overhaul
The Deadly Commonwealth
Unique Creatures and Monsters
DECAY
Atomic Warlords (children of atom overhaul)
War of the Commonwealth

 

 

 

 

 

 

the load order in question

UP Denotes Universal Patcher
This works best on new games only. LOts of stuff activates only in the vault and the elevator.
*HUDFramework.esm
*ArmorKeywords.esm
*NewCalibers.esp
*Worsin's Garage.esm
*PlasmaArsenal.esp
*SettlementKeywords.esm
*TrueStormsFO4.esm
*NPCScaling.esm
*Loads.esm
*XDI.esm
*FAR.esl
*GCM_DLC_Automatron.esl
*MMMFO4.esl
*GKX Worthwhile Caps Stashes.esl
*VVV_LoadScreenArt.esp
*OA_LootableMaterialsCrates_vanilla_mergedDLC.esp
*StartMeUp.esp
*BetterModDescriptions.esp
*Better Mod Descriptions - Loads of Ammo Patch.esp
*Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
*RAO - True Storms patch.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-NukaWorld-FH-Compat.esp
*EBW-Merged.esp
*GCM.esp
*WeightlessJunk.esp
*BossChestsHaveLegendaries.esp
*Crafting Workbench.esp
*Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp
*CraftableAmmo_plus.esp
*CraftableAmmunition_Adjustable.esp
*CraftableAmmunition_FarHarbor.esp
*DistantBlurRemover.esp
*CraftableAmmo.esp
*WestTekTacticalOptics.esp
*WIPAG_Paint Garage - Full (Easy).esp
*WIPAG_Decal Station.esp
*WIPAG_Power Armor Overhaul.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp
*WorldThunder - TrueStorms.esp
*TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp
*Arbitration - No Condition Regeneration.esp
*Arbitration - Farther Grenade Detection.esp
*Realistic Death Physics - ALL DLC.esp
*dD-Reduced Explosion Force.esp
*dD-Realistic Ragdoll Force.esp
*Perk Magazine Material Fix.esp
*DLCWeaponsinCW.esp
*LootableCars.esp
*PilesofCorpses.esp
*BTInteriors_Project.esp
*ToggleableHightechVisionModes.esp
*EPO Redux.esp
*Better Explosives.esp
*Better Explosives - Perks redone.esp
*Better Explosives - Grenade Frequency 30.esp
*OWR.esp
*OWR2.esp
*OWR_CraftableDecor_CW.esp
*OWR_CraftableDecor.esp
*OWR_CraftableDecor_SKPatch.esp
*OWR2_CraftableDecor.esp
*OWR2_CraftableDecor_SKPatch.esp
*OWR2_CraftableDecor_CW.esp
*OWR2_CraftableDecor_CW_SKPatch.esp
*3dscopes-framework.esp
*ASVektor.esp
*WeightlessAid_BetterItemSorting.esp
*CriticalHitsOutsideofVATS.esp
*DogmeatNoOpeningDoors.esp
*DOOMMerged.esp
*G36Complex.esp
*BullpupBozar.esp
*M16.esp
*mk14.esp
*AN94.esp
*SkibsIF54.esp
*SkibsWeapons-REDUX.esp
*IF88TacShotgun.esp
*MP153.esp
*Family Mauser.esp
*WO-G3.esp
*P99.esp
*FN Five-Seven.esp
*MikeMooresMCAM.esp
*G3.esp
*WO-USAS.esp
*M9.esp
*M14.esp
*USP 45.esp
*CorvalhoWidowShotgun.esp
*P220.esp
*R91M.esp
*WO-ScarH.esp
*WO-AK47.esp
*WO-G20.esp
*mjp_PTRS41ATR.esp
*Wattz2000 - Jake Necroix.esp
*Crossbow.esp
*WO-M82.esp
*WO-L96.esp
*m82a.esp
*Vivid Fallout - All in One - 4k.esp
*M2216.esp
*Wasteland Ordnance Merged.esp
*M2216 AWKCR.esp
*PainTrainAndImpactLanding-BuffedAndReworked-LessThan.esp
*Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp
*WraparoundNVG.esp
*CMPA +300.esp
*LongerHeadlampLightWithShadows.esp
*LongerHeadlampLight2x.esp
*ImmersiveVendors.esp
*IncreasedCarryWeight.esp
*LootableWorkbenchesDLC.esp
*More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
*BetterModDescriptionsMSPTRS41ATR.esp
*Better Mod Descriptions - AWKCR Patch.esp
*CutWeaponModsRestored-GOTY.esp
*IncreasedWeaponModDistribution-GOTY.esp
*CWMR-GOTY-Patch-IncreasedWeaponModDistribution-GOTY.esp
*NoLimitsJetpack.esp
*WeightlessMods.esp
*PreWarCodsworth.esp
*RemoteExplosives.esp
*Better Loads Switchers.esp
*FHLeveledListIntegration.esp
*FO4Hotkeys.esp
Better VATS.esp
*WastelandRadio.esp
*Better Perks.esp
*Better VATS - 0.75.esp
*Armorsmith Extended.esp
*BMD - AWKCR and AE Patch.esp
*Better Locational Damage.esp
*BLD - Leveled Lists - DLC.esp
*Better Locational Damage - DLC_WWorkshop.esp
*Better Locational Damage - Ghoul Edition.esp
*Better Locational Damage - DLC_Far_Harbor.esp
*Better Locational Damage - DLC_Automatron.esp
*Better Locational Damage - DLC_Nuka_World.esp
*Weapons of Fate.esp
*WOF-NC_Patch.esp
*WOF_NCPatch.esp
*The Deadly Commonwealth Expansion.esp
*TDCE + AE + Raider Overhaul Patch.esp
*RaiderOverhaul.esp
*Better Locational Damage_ Raider Overhaul_Patch.esp
*Raider Overhaul - AE Patch-Restored Content.esp
*Synth Overhaul.esp
*Synth Overhaul - Black Patch.esp
*SuperMutantRedux.esp
*UP-AE_SuperMutantRedux.esp
*SuperMutantRedux_ArmorSmithExtended.esp
*SMR BLD.esp
*BetterModDescriptionsROWIP.esp
*ASVektor - AWKCR-Compatibility.esp
*DeadAirplane.esp
*RecruitableSettlers.esp
*DLCAmmoScrounger.esp
*PreWarSafes.esp
*PlaneWreck.esp
*WOTC.esp
*WOTC - Experimental Fixes.esp
*Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters.esp
*Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters_SMR.esp
*Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters_SMR_AE.esp
*D.E.C.A.Y.esp
*Less Loot D.E.C.A.Y.esp
*UP-BLD_UNPCs CaM_Workshop.esp
*G36K - AWKCR.esp
*UP-VISG_G36 Complex.esp
*UP-AWKCR_BozarDeadPool.esp
*UP-VISG_Bullpup Bozar.esp
*mk14-awkcr.esp
*Pirate_standalone.esp
*FO4 NPCs Travel.esp
*RU556.esp
*UP-VISG_RU556.esp
*RU556 - AWKCR.esp
*RAO - OWR patch.esp
*NewRecipesFH-VIS.esp
*OWR2_SKEPatch.esp
*LockedSafesLegendaryLoot.esp
*AUG-A1.esp
*UP-VISG_Steyr AUG A1.esp
*Steyr AUG-A1 - AWKCR.esp
*Gunsmith Extended.esp
*BetterModDescriptionsWO.esp
*BetterModDescriptionsIF54BR.esp
*SkibsIF54-AWKCR.esp
*IF88TacShotgun_BMD_Main.esp
*Crazy Safari.esp
*powerful.50 .esp
*IF88TacShotgun - AWKCR-Compatibility.esp
*IF-54 - AWKCR-Compatibility .esp
*WO - AWKCR-Compatibility.esp
*G3 - Loads.esp
*G3 - AWKCR-Compatibility.esp
*LootableWorkbenches.esp
*SniperDamage.esp
*Glorious_Glowing_Plasma_Weapons_by_Diranar.esp
*CF_AtomicWarlord.esp
*CF_AtomicWarlordNoMod.esp
*BE_Enhanced Grenades.esp
*Better Locational Damage_ Raider Overhaul_Valdacil_Patch.esp
*UP-AWKCR_BetterLocationalDamage.esp
*Unique NPCs - Creatures and Monsters - AE & VIS-G Patch.esp
*UP-VISG_Raider Overhaul.esp
*UP-VISG_UniqueNPCs-CaM.esp
*UP-AE_RaiderOverhaul.esp
*UP-VISG_Super Mutant Redux.esp
*UP-AE_RORestoredContent.esp
*UP-RaiderOverhaul_SuperMutantRedux.esp
*UP-VISG_D.E.C.A.Y..esp
*UP-VISG_Better Locational Damage.esp
*UP-AWKCR_BLD_Nuka World.esp
*UP-AWKCR_PTRS41 Anti.esp
*UP-AE_ChurchofAtomOverhaul.esp
*UP-AWKCR_ASVektorCom.esp
*UP-AWKCR_M82a.esp
*UP-AWKCR_BLD_FarHarbor.esp
*UP-BLD_UNPCs CaM_Nuka World.esp
*UP-BLD_UNPCs CaM_Far Harbor.esp
*UP-BLD_UNPCs CaM.esp
*FO4Hotkeys VIS-G.esp
*RemoteExplosives VIS-G.esp
*StartMeUp VIS-G.esp
*WestTekTacticalOptics AE VIS-G.esp
*Better Weapons - Patch.esp
*Better Locational Damage - Valdacil's Item Sorting - Patch - CW.esp
*Better Leveled Lists - Items - CW Edition.esp
*UP-AWKCR_BLD_Automatron.esp
*SuperMutantRedux_VIS-G_Patch.esp
*Schnips - Synth Overhaul - VIS-G Patch.esp
*VIS-G Item Sorting.esp
*Weaponsmith Extended 2.esp
*BLD - Merged - WSE Edition.esp
*Better Loads Switchers - WE Patch.esp
*SuperMutantRedux_WeaponsmithExtended_Patch.esp
*SMR WSE2 Patch.esp
*Weaponsmith - War of the Commonwealth Patch.esp
*Dastardly_LL.esp
*Dastardly2_Patch.esp

 

 

 

 

thanks.

Kell

[DoctorKaizeld]

 

Do i need to get permission from all the mod authors in order to use it or ? Is it doomed to only be a personal mod thing?

yes

[kellthekyuss]

guess I'll just be happy and play wotc :)

[MarkusTay]

No two people are running the same game - we all have VERY different versions of Fallout 4, including people (on PC) who don't use mods (because every computer is different). Consoles are more static, but there could still be some differences. However, they don't matter for this argument.

 

The best thing to do if you want to mod is LEARN TO MOD - even just a little. I've made some big boo-boos, but I am getting the hang of it. Mostly I just play with the ini files, so as to free up more esp's. In other words, everyone should treat their game as if they were cooking a gourmet meal - don't just learn what to throw into from the recipe, learn what each thing does, why you need it (or don't), and how you can tweak the heck out of it so it is PERFECT FOR YOU... and only you (still using the analogy, screw your guests - they should enjoy your fine taste LOL). That is what you are doing - you are fine-tuning Fallout 4 to be YOUR Fallout 4, and yours alone. Because everything you are doing simply isn't going to work for everyone else... plus you'd have to get a BOATLOAD of permissions. But what you do with other peple's mods in the privacy of your own home is YOUR business, so have fun.

 

I use a bunch of those mods as well, and have had some problems (finally got a texture to work right after a month of living with the pinkness), and I have yet to fire-up an editing tool... I can only imagine the nightmare I'm in for with conflicts (I do get CTD's, but I think most of them are memory-leakage from a particular mod I've yet to get around to patching - I don't start getting the problem until after several hours of play). Loads of ammo... don't even get me started. SM Redux forced me to use that... keeping track of ammo used to be so simple. On the bright side, it is hella more immersive. In a masochistic sort of way, I am looking forward to when I can 'dig in' and get my hands dirty, 'blending' mods like you are doing. After my last two bad experiences (the second of which caused my game to implode), I am still trying to grow a pair before I try to load another self-created esp/mod.

 

So I guess I am a little bit jealous you're already at that point, but at the same time, I'm kinda-sorta glad i'm not there yet. Its a double-edged sword. Cheers

[MrJoseCuervo]

One last step to improve your stability I would suggest is making a bashed patch with Wryebash

[Moksha8088]

I was having a losing battle with my latest playthrough until I used a utility called Mator Smash. That made a huge difference. I still can have huge framerate drops on both sides of the Charles River, but the game is stable otherwise.

 

Good stuff that Mator Smash, even though it does not come with a nifty flyweight nylon bag with Fallout'76 silkscreened on the side.

[HeyYou]

A merged patch with xEdit, the delete the level list entries, and then a bashed patch, which appears to ONLY deal with leveled lists in FO4. Works a treat.