Is Vortex a needlessly more confusing than NMM or it's just me?

[Narfiam]

 

 

I guess this begs the question then, if all you need is NMM, why did you bother trying Vortex in the first place? I don't understand the logic.

Because I thought NMM don't works anymore with the manager download options of the mods and maybe I couldn't log in with my Nexus account neither.

 

 

Well, you've been explained the multiple features and benefits of Vortex (built in LOOT, Auto Sort, Conflict Resolution and Warning, the ability to Overwrite Textures and Meshes NON DESTRUCTIVELY etc), but those features don't appeal to you and you'd rather go back to not knowing about mod conflicts, having to micromanage your plugin load order, and doing Hard Overwrites of textures and meshes so you have to completely uninstall and reinstall your mods until you install them in the correct order, so since that extra hassle appeals to you and you insist on doing everything the difficult and inefficient way, along with the terrible advice you've been given along the way, then have at it.

 

I never had problems with the "hard overwrite" you mentioned, and what is micromanage plugin load order? I almost never managed load order, I let LOOT do it for me and I haven't major problems with it making me to start thinking I have to move to a more advanced and efficient program.

 

 

Please post your future problems with NMM in the NMM support forum.

That's a truism.

[HadToRegister]

 

I never had problems with the "hard overwrite" you mentioned, and what is micromanage plugin load order? I almost never managed load order, I let LOOT do it for me and I haven't major problems with it making me to start thinking I have to move to a more advanced and efficient program.

 

 

 

Please post your future problems with NMM in the NMM support forum.

That's a truism.

 

 

 

OK, enjoy.

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[Narfiam]

not actually sure what this thread achieved.

 

you posted looking for help, received some good help and some not so good help, and at the end of the day, you've no intention of trying to use vortex at all, all you've done is waste well-meaning, helpful people's time.

I didn't look for help, If I want to learn how to use Vortex I look for guides or youtube videos explaining it. I posted an opinion about a program which I thought it was mandatory for downloading and installing mods instead NMM.

Anyway if any of you feel I wasted your time time, I apologise.

[zzjay]

not actually sure what this thread achieved.

 

you posted looking for help, received some good help and some not so good help, and at the end of the day, you've no intention of trying to use vortex at all, all you've done is waste well-meaning, helpful people's time.

 

I prefer NMM myself...it's easy and simple,and lets you manage files manually as well,but there's a high demand for automodding tools,so Vortex is designed for the average user that has never installed a mod in his\her life...Something unnecessary for those who only use NMM for the easy removal and restoration of old files.

 

Some people don't even know what a manual installation is,and all thanks to those tools...which is simultaneusly a great thing (more people have access to mods) and a bad thing (since users will have a harder time making their own tweaks to mods,such as file swaps).

[TraumaRN]

My first impression was about the same as yours. I used NMM for years. When I first installed Vortex it confused the heck outta me. But if you give it a chance it really is a fantastic mod manager. I know it'll cause me to catch heck but I think it's better than NMM or MO2. It's actually the best of both worlds IMHO. You get much of the automation and simplicity of NMM but have more control and utility akin to MO/MO2. If you are stuck on NMM that's cool but eventually you are going to run into a mod it can't setup for you and you'll be stuck doing it manually or not using that mod at all.

 

It's worth migrating (Vortex actually has a tool for that) from NMM just for the ability to overwrite mod files without affecting it permanently. Vortex uses LOOT to automatically sort and will give you LOOT error messages (needs cleaning, missing masters, missing patches etc.) right in the Vortex plugin browser. No need to ever run the external program (though you still could). And if you don't like LOOT's (it doesn't always get it right) sorting order you can just change it manually. If you use FNIS, Vortex handles most of it for you. It also does a better job handling SKSE and you can ad launchers for tools like Wrye Bash, SSEEdit, CK etc.

 

NMM was great tool for managing mods. I get it, you are used to it and that's okay but take it from someone who was in your shoes; Vortex is a better tool than NMM and if you give it a chance it'll actually streamline your modding experience.

 

 

 

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[sopmac45]

 

not actually sure what this thread achieved.

 

you posted looking for help, received some good help and some not so good help, and at the end of the day, you've no intention of trying to use vortex at all, all you've done is waste well-meaning, helpful people's time.

 

I prefer NMM myself...it's easy and simple,and lets you manage files manually as well,but there's a high demand for automodding tools,so Vortex is designed for the average user that has never installed a mod in his\her life...Something unnecessary for those who only use NMM for the easy removal and restoration of old files.

 

Some people don't even know what a manual installation is,and all thanks to those tools...which is simultaneusly a great thing (more people have access to mods) and a bad thing (since users will have a harder time making their own tweaks to mods,such as file swaps).

 

 

Well I have a bad new for you because every single Vortex user has used NMM before so we are very familiar how to manually install a mod so Vortex is not designed for the average user but for those to mentally know how to adapt themselves to a new program that is far better than NMM. Just because we use Vortex to automatically sort our Plugin load order does not means that we do not know how to do it manually and Vortex will allow us to do it that way if we prefer.

 

Now if you prefer to drive a car by shifting, well go with NMM. We do prefer to just forget about Plugin load order and we let Vortex to do it for us so we can concentrate in more important things like resolving conflict between mods.

 

So go ahead and continue with NMM so it has been advised that if you are not happy with Vortex, you should stay with NMM and there is nothing wrong with that but do not come here to complaint and talk like if you were an expert because if you were, you would not be talking like that in the first place. People with more experience than you are using Vortex and totally forgot about NMM and you know why, because their expertise taught them how to differentiate between both programs so easy that they knew that jumping to Vortex would be the right choice.

 

Good luck.

[zzjay]

My first impression was about the same as yours. I used NMM for years. When I first installed Vortex it confused the heck outta me. But if you give it a chance it really is a fantastic mod manager. I know it'll cause me to catch heck but I think it's better than NMM or MO2. It's actually the best of both worlds IMHO. You get much of the automation and simplicity of NMM but have more control and utility akin to MO/MO2. If you are stuck on NMM that's cool but eventually you are going to run into a mod it can't setup for you and you'll be stuck doing it manually or not using that mod at all.

 

It's worth migrating (Vortex actually has a tool for that) from NMM just for the ability to overwrite mod files without affecting it permanently. Vortex uses LOOT to automatically sort and will give you LOOT error messages (needs cleaning, missing masters, missing patches etc.) right in the Vortex plugin browser. No need to ever run the external program (though you still could). And if you don't like LOOT's (it doesn't always get it right) sorting order you can just change it manually. If you use FNIS, Vortex handles most of it for you. It also does a better job handling SKSE and you can ad launchers for tools like Wrye Bash, SSEEdit, CK etc.

 

NMM was great tool for managing mods. I get it, you are used to it and that's okay but take it from someone who was in your shoes; Vortex is a better tool than NMM and if you give it a chance it'll actually streamline your modding experience.

 

 

 

 

Nmm won't delete old files.(at least in t he old version i use) it always restores back to whatever DDS or nif you had in that was replaced by an installation.

 

I make the plugins myself...usually i can tell just by looking at a mod description what wil conflict with what. Didn't use Loot...why would i need Vortex?

 

Also i pretty much edit most of the textures that enter my game,so that's why i don't use mod compilations and s#*!...i'd rather make them myself.

 

don't use NMM a lot either...

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