Ok, I tried it.

[soaringcow]

 

I set up a FO4 installation using Vortex for all mods, 200 or so. I was getting a HUDFramework warning every few minutes of game time. Somebody in the forum for that mod suggested removing and manually installing all mods dependent on HUDF. Yes, that did fix it. Also, I noticed that, when updating crafting highlights fix, the necessary dll in f4se\plugins did not get updated.

 

So, in terms of what really matters to me, Vortex still does not do the job. Please forget the fluff and the flash and the fluffy flash and get mod installations right. There is no benefit if I must search for mods that didn't install right. I might as well do them manually to start with.

 

In regard to HUDFramework, I had no trouble using Vortex to install both it and mods using HUDFramework in Fallout 4 with 217 mods. Nor did I subsequently receive HUDF warnings. Everything worked flawlessly. I didn't even have to use the patcher to achieve HUDF compatibility with DEF_UI. I simply let Vortex resolve the "HUDMenu.swf" conflict by creating a mod conflict rule that HUDF load after DEF_UI.

 

As for the updating problem you mention, I had no such issue with Crafting Highlight Fix. Vortex placed the updated dll in the F4SE folder.

 

Like you, getting mods installed correctly is what really matters to me. After a year and a half using Vortex, I'm pleased to report that Vortex has not yet let me down.

 

 

There are also people who never had a problem with NMM. Also many who did, and some who decided it wasn't worth using, like me.

[Tannin42]

There is nothing actionable in your post. At the heart of it Vortex does the same as when you install a mod manually, you start with an archive (.zip, .7z or something) and at the end you have the files belonging to that mod in your game directory and they modify your game.

Vortex offers convenience like supporting installers with options or letting you remove the mods easily and stuff like that but at the end of the day, it puts files into a folder.

 

If you're claiming Vortex didn't install the mod right, before we can validate or fix anything you have to give us details of what _Vortex_ supposedly did wrong, meaning: Which files did it not extract or damage that a manual extract would and how does the error manifest itself (if you get error messages, provide the error message, don't just tell us that an error occurs)

Right now you're the only person I'm aware of who has this problem, if you think it is a bug and you want to see it fixed, you have to provide the details of what's going wrong.

Just ranting about the problem existing is ultimately pointless.

[soaringcow]

The answers that I have received from others suggests that, for many fo4 installations, the problem won't be repeatable. I did suggest that Vortex check to see that the file it attempted to place was in fact placed and give a notice if not.

 

In my original post I did mention a specific situation where a file was not placed. Crafting Highlight Fix did not place the needed dll in the f4se\plugins directory. And HUDFramework was giving a "HUDFramework is not ready" error repeatedly in game. The solution I found in the HUDF forum was to manually reinstall all mods that depend on HUDF. So I am not the only one that has seen this problem. But I understand that it will be difficult to actually fix it.

 

As I said a couple of posts back to a poster who claimed to never have a problem with Vortex:

>There are also people who never had a problem with NMM. Also many who did, and some who decided it wasn't worth using, like me.

 

There is a history of your products not installing mods right. That should tell you something.

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[soaringcow]

 

There is a history of your products not installing mods right. That should tell you something.

there is also a history of you posting absolute gubbins in this forum. that should tell you something.

 

 

Your response shows a resistance to criticism. Not unlike product loyalty in many other areas. How dare you critique my favorite...

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[rmm200]

This topic has reached the end of it's usefulness.

[AugustaCalidia]

@soaringcow

 

There is a history of your products not installing mods right. That should tell you something.

 

 

Correction: there is a history of people not using Vortex correctly. (I'm not sure to what you're referring when using "products" in the plural. I'm speaking of Vortex only.)

 

There is a history in these forums of people reporting that Vortex simply cannot handle mod X, mod Y, etc. However, over the past year I've tested perhaps a half dozen of those claims and found them to be wanting. User error was the source of the problem, not Vortex inadequacy.

 

There is also a history of blanket claims about Vortex mod installation failures. These claims appear to be hearsay only, because the claimants never follow up with examples that can be publicly tested.

 

And yes, I'm the person who claimed to have never had a problem with Vortex mod installation. The reason I make that claim is simply because it's true. This is not to say that I've never had a problem with Vortex, because I have had some problems. However, they were not mod installation problems.

 

@rmm200

 

Your posted your comment while I was composing. You're probably right. We all need to get on with other matters.

[soaringcow]

>There is a history in these forums of people reporting that Vortex simply cannot handle mod X, mod Y, etc. However, over the past year I've >tested perhaps a half dozen of those claims and found them to be wanting. User error was the source of the problem, nor Vortex >inadequacy.

 

You can click the "Mod Manager Download button" on the mod download page, or you can drag and drop a mod file into the space provided in the Vortex downloads area. Then click to install and to deploy when prompted. What is to do wrong? How did you verify that in each and every case the problem was a user error? How did you verify it in my case? And if it was user error, why did manually installing mods solve the problem?

 

As a programmer, I am quite familiar with the " all program deficiencies are really user errors" theory and with the resultant consequences of that theory. Such as vanishing support forums, or providing a place where ignorant users can help each other.

 

Kudos to Nexus for, so far, continuing to provide access to people who actually know something about the product. This is optional, of course. A few modders do not allow forum posting on their mod pages, or they simply choose to not respond.

 

This topic has reached the end of its usefulness? Perhaps, but we can hope otherwise.

[HadToRegister]

 

 

There is a history of your products not installing mods right. That should tell you something.

 

Your response shows a resistance to criticism. Not unlike product loyalty in many other areas. How dare you critique my favorite...

There's a resistance to criticism, when the criticism comes from a complete ignorance on how to use the program itself, and a refusal to use the program properly, which has been shown many times when you complain about a certain issue and it always turns out to be User Error.

 

You purposely leave out details in your criticism, such as you claiming that HudFrameWork installed correctly only AFTER you had installed it manually, and then, and only then, mentioning the Patcher, only after I had mentioned the patcher.

 

You are purposely vague in your criticisms whenever you are asked for more detail etc.

 

When asked to elaborate, you instead just fire back with comments like I quoted, rather than go into detail, again, you stay vague, always complaining about an issue, caused by you either not understanding Vortex, or just trying to find something wrong, that instead shows you're using Vortex wrong.

 

Every problem you've had with Vortex so far has ended up being YOU doing something incorrectly, then refusing to go into detail.

In your other thread, I went into detail about how to manage your load order, SEVERAL TIMES, instead in response, you then made more posts in the thread complaining about Vortex, while completely ignoring what I had told you, and instead proceeded on as you were the only one in the thread.

 

You continue to complain and carry on about Vortex and what you say it can and cannot do, but I have yet to see you post anything concise and clear, and in detail.

Instead, you complain, when asked to elaborate, you become evasive in your answers.