The shaming of non-premium users needs to stop!

[StormWolf01]

 

anyone else notice that the only people defending the terrible UI change are the people who don't have to deal with it?

 

 

Anybody else notice the only people complaining about it are people who want everything for free without some minor inconvenience?

 

I mean, the reason some people don't have to deal with it, is because they decided to support the site.

 

Crazy how that works huh?

 

Ok, I'm sorry, but that's outta line.

HadToRegister, I have the utmost repect for you, You've helped me out on a few occassions, and you've helped out a lot of other members as well. I know that you've been here for a very long time, you've paid your dues, both to the site, and to the community. You're a valuable asset TO this community.

But I'm gonna ask you to see this from a different perspective. It IS asking.

We get hundreds of new users to this site, every single day. The nexus is huge, and for good reason. Now, everybody knows this is a fact. First impressions, mean EVERYTHING. That also applies on a business/customer model.

Now, we also know, that unless it's an "adult" site, MOST brand new users are NOT gonna come on to the site, and the first thing they do, is shell out over 50 bucks. Not for a site like this one.

No, the first thing that new user is gonna do, is look up the mod that they saw on youtube, reddit, or wherever else on the web that they saw it. They're gonna do their membership, click on the link, and try to download the file.

To be greeted by a GIANT orange box, that takes up most of their screen, says "Hey, you can pay us, not to see this" (that's basically what the user is gonna interpret it as) and take 5 seconds to think it over. (Again, that's what the new user is gonna think)

You guys are seeing all the whining and complaining, but missing the people who have the legitimate gripe, that it makes the site look bad. You guys are focusing so much on the people whining about having the payment thrown in their face, that you're missing what this is gonna look like to people who know absolutely nothing about this place.

All of you folks, I do not doubt in the least that you love this place as much as you say you do. I don't doubt that at all. But if you do, then at least please consider what this kind of thing LOOKS LIKE.

 

I have said it before. I support the nexus. I support Robin. I love this place, and have put in in ways that I can't tell you about. But, because I DO love this place, and most of the people in it, I willl continue to say that this new box looks really bad, gives a really bad impression of the place, and it makes this place look and feel like a 3rd part file share site that people go to, to download illegally shared files. I Love this place. It's a huge portion of my life. And to see this, really hurts.

I said it, I dont doubt your sincerity but stop and think about what this does to the image of the place that Robin has spent so many years, so much effort, so much financial, and legal hardships to keep up.

You maintain that you support this site. I maintain that I do as well. And as part of my support, I HAVE to argue that this new box tarnishes the image of this site.

[HadToRegister]

 

So far we've learned that...

 

1. People can afford to pay for an internet connection on a monthly basis

 

2. People can afford to pay for all of the $60 - $70 dollar games they want to mod

 

3. Those same People somehow cannot afford to pay $2 to stop seeing ads FOREVER, or cannot afford a premium membership, or cannot afford a one-time lifetime fee of $75, but want to dictate how the site they're using for free should accommodate them for free.

 

 

Complete definition of Entitlement right there.

 

 

 

Just because you can afford A and B does not mean you can afford C. A game is my entire "fun" budget for a month, for example, and after doing some budgeting, it's actually a fun budget for more than a month.

 

Some people, for example, might only have 30 spare dollars a month after bills. That's just the first-level analysis of the problems with that statement, ignoring a larger issue.

 

 

 

 

If your budget allows you to buy a brand new $60 game each month, then you have more money than I do. (My Dad died last year, and I had to take over his finances,and take care of my elderly Mom now, which killed my prospective Medical career, which leaves me with very little each month)

I own a LOT of games, but I bought them about 5 years after they released, during a Steam sale for around $5 - $20

 

If you can Afford B, buying an AAA title for $60 - $70 (Which would completely break MY Budget), then you CAN afford to pay a Lifetime membership ONCE instead of buying a game for ONE MONTH, and wait to buy that Game you want, the NEXT Month for $60 - $70

 

I would LOVE to play Outer Worlds, and some of the new releases, but I'm going to have to wait until around 2024 - 2025 to play them, when they're finally marked down to around $5 on steam.

But that's OK, I can wait.

Meanwhile, I can make the most of it by downloading mods for the games I DO own, and make them interesting to pass the time until those other games go on sale.

 

Priorities.

Always schedule them for the long game.

Instant Self Gratification doesn't go very far.

[HadToRegister]

 

They're gonna do their membership, click on the link, and try to download the file.

To be greeted by a GIANT orange box, that takes up most of their screen, says "Hey, you can pay us, not to see this" (that's basically what the user is gonna interpret it as) and take 5 seconds to think it over. (Again, that's what the new user is gonna think)

You guys are seeing all the whining and complaining, but missing the people who have the legitimate gripe, that it makes the site look bad. You guys are focusing so much on the people whining about having the payment thrown in their face, that you're missing what this is gonna look like to people who know absolutely nothing about this place.

 

 

Ok, fair enough...

However, consider now, that people who are complaining have been using the site for anywhere from over a Decade to a few months, FOR FREE.

 

Why are people so outraged that the Nexus is reminding these longtime users that they could support the website they're using?

Surely the Nexus have the right to say at some point "Hey, you know....you can pay us for all of this stuff we've been hosting for the past Decade, it'd be nice" right?

 

I know everybody out there has that one friend that somehow NEVER pays for everything, and gets you to pay instead, and you're getting REALLY tired of them doing that, RIGHT?

 

Imagine if the Nexus decided, "Well, that's it, no more free users" and made it so you could only SEE the mods available, and couldn't even download them unless you paid for a premium subscription (Which some Mod Thieves are doing with Patreon)?

 

How would THAT go over?

Instead, people who have been using this website for over a decade for free, are completely enraged that they have a 5 second countdown now, in order to use the website for free.

 

If anything, this new DOWNLOAD "Reminder" was brought about by the amount of people using the website without paying for days, weeks, months, years, decades.

 

It's not about Greed, but more about, "hey, we've been providing a service that for over a decade, how about helping US out for once?"

 

Anyway, I'm off to play "Outward" which I splurged on, when it was on sale for half price, for my X-Mess present.

 

[Tenurialrope3]

I suppose I'll say my piece on this:

 

I was about to post that my biggest issue here was that the files list (meaning any collapsed/expanded files in it) resets after one returns to the page after a download,

but I just discovered that one can simply open a new (separate) tab for the download and not disturb the files list, so I suppose I'll say that I don't mind the change much.

 

I'll just hope/ask that this (slowing down usage of the site regarding downloads) does not go further beyond where it's at now.

Edited December 15, 2019 by Tenurialrope3

[Arthmoor]

*Redacted I'm out of line*

 

if Nexus is hurting for money they should have a monthly fund quota banner like many other sites that operate off donations do to let users who are feeling generous help out.

And that's totally not going to piss anyone off at all, right? Also we see how rich the modders have become with the same logic.... oh. Nope. We haven't seen that happen at all.

 

Trust me, people talk alot about donating instead of other means of paying out but the reality is it's just talk. It never actually happens.

 

I used to actually like the nexus, but this kind of crap shows how little they care about their community.

If they didn't care about their community then they'd have gone a lot further than what you guys are complaining about now and they'd be charging serious money for premium membership instead of something that currently costs less than a game on sale.

[StormWolf01]

 

 

They're gonna do their membership, click on the link, and try to download the file.

To be greeted by a GIANT orange box, that takes up most of their screen, says "Hey, you can pay us, not to see this" (that's basically what the user is gonna interpret it as) and take 5 seconds to think it over. (Again, that's what the new user is gonna think)

You guys are seeing all the whining and complaining, but missing the people who have the legitimate gripe, that it makes the site look bad. You guys are focusing so much on the people whining about having the payment thrown in their face, that you're missing what this is gonna look like to people who know absolutely nothing about this place.

 

 

Ok, fair enough...

However, consider now, that people who are complaining have been using the site for anywhere from over a Decade to a few months, FOR FREE.

 

Why are people so outraged that the Nexus is reminding these longtime users that they could support the website they're using?

Surely the Nexus have the right to say at some point "Hey, you know....you can pay us for all of this stuff we've been hosting for the past Decade, it'd be nice" right?

 

I know everybody out there has that one friend that somehow NEVER pays for everything, and gets you to pay instead, and you're getting REALLY tired of them doing that, RIGHT?

 

Imagine if the Nexus decided, "Well, that's it, no more free users" and made it so you could only SEE the mods available, and couldn't even download them unless you paid for a premium subscription (Which some Mod Thieves are doing with Patreon)?

 

How would THAT go over?

Instead, people who have been using this website for over a decade for free, are completely enraged that they have a 5 second countdown now, in order to use the website for free.

 

If anything, this new DOWNLOAD "Reminder" was brought about by the amount of people using the website without paying for days, weeks, months, years, decades.

 

It's not about Greed, but more about, "hey, we've been providing a service that for over a decade, how about helping US out for once?"

 

Anyway, I'm off to play "Outward" which I splurged on, when it was on sale for half price, for my X-Mess present.

 

 

 

Heya, first off, I really do appreciate you taking what I said with an open mind. And for at least stopping to think about it. Thank you sir.

 

Ok, so what if there was a way to compromise? I know, darned well, that this site keeps tabs on the dates that we start our membership, stuff that we've downloaded, posts that we've made.

What if, we could set it up, so that a less obnoxious screen could show up, after we've been a member for oh.... 2 months. Or, after we've downloaded... 20 files.

Give the new members a way to see what we're about, what the site is about, what Robin is about, before making a bad impression on them? Giving them a reason to go on twitter, FB, reddit, whatever social media and talk trash about the Nexus and Robin?

Give them a chance to decide, and make up their minds whether this is a place that they want to contribute financially to, rather than say "Hey, welcome, thanks for signing up, can I get 60 bucks from you?"

What if, in the meantime, we changed that screen to say "Hey let us take a second to get this file ready for you, sorry for the inconvenience". Or at least something to give an understanding of why they're waiting, rather than insinuating "Hey, give us money to make this go away".

 

No trust me. I agree with what you're saying about the freeloaders. Especially the ones who are making these complaints, who have been here for a long time as members, and they only have less then 5 actual posts. Some of said posts, being right here, complaining. OR the ones that gaming rigs that I probly won't be able to afford for another 1-3 years, giving excuses that they can't afford it.

But honestly, if they haven't signed up for premium by now, it's most likely, that for whatever their reasons, they're probly not gonna. And throwing around the premium is a one time payment, it gets rid of this and that, and that, and this, isn't going to persuade them to do so, or enable them to do so.

All it is, is two sides bashing their heads against each other. Also, as somebody who's currently unemployed because I had to relocate to a different state, I sympathize for those who aren't able to financially chip in.

 

Ok, honestly, the premium is good. But it's not a cure. In my mind, Robin could consider making the contributions a bit easier to find. NOT throw it up in your face like this new screen does, but make it available on the downloads pages, where all the mods are listed, or something. I'm not cracking on the premium memberships at all. And trust me, I know the real reasons, why it's set up the way that it is.

But the premium membership only helps to pay the bills, when the membership was paid. It doesn't do anything to help pay the bills today. Or tomorrow. Or next month.

 

 

 

It's not about Greed, but more about, "hey, we've been providing a service that for over a decade, how about helping US out for once?"

Oh, I totally agree. It's not about greed. Thats why, as long as Robin runs the nexus this will never happen ->

Imagine if the Nexus decided, "Well, that's it, no more free users" and made it so you could only SEE the mods available, and couldn't even download them unless you paid for a premium subscription (Which some Mod Thieves are doing with Patreon)?

LOL have fun playing Outward. Wishing I had some cash to splurge on, Fallout4 is kinda ticking me off a lot atm. :eyeroll:

Edited December 15, 2019 by StormWolf01

[HadToRegister]

 

 

 

They're gonna do their membership, click on the link, and try to download the file.

To be greeted by a GIANT orange box, that takes up most of their screen, says "Hey, you can pay us, not to see this" (that's basically what the user is gonna interpret it as) and take 5 seconds to think it over. (Again, that's what the new user is gonna think)

You guys are seeing all the whining and complaining, but missing the people who have the legitimate gripe, that it makes the site look bad. You guys are focusing so much on the people whining about having the payment thrown in their face, that you're missing what this is gonna look like to people who know absolutely nothing about this place.

 

 

Ok, fair enough...

However, consider now, that people who are complaining have been using the site for anywhere from over a Decade to a few months, FOR FREE.

 

Why are people so outraged that the Nexus is reminding these longtime users that they could support the website they're using?

Surely the Nexus have the right to say at some point "Hey, you know....you can pay us for all of this stuff we've been hosting for the past Decade, it'd be nice" right?

 

I know everybody out there has that one friend that somehow NEVER pays for everything, and gets you to pay instead, and you're getting REALLY tired of them doing that, RIGHT?

 

Imagine if the Nexus decided, "Well, that's it, no more free users" and made it so you could only SEE the mods available, and couldn't even download them unless you paid for a premium subscription (Which some Mod Thieves are doing with Patreon)?

 

How would THAT go over?

Instead, people who have been using this website for over a decade for free, are completely enraged that they have a 5 second countdown now, in order to use the website for free.

 

If anything, this new DOWNLOAD "Reminder" was brought about by the amount of people using the website without paying for days, weeks, months, years, decades.

 

It's not about Greed, but more about, "hey, we've been providing a service that for over a decade, how about helping US out for once?"

 

Anyway, I'm off to play "Outward" which I splurged on, when it was on sale for half price, for my X-Mess present.

 

 

 

 

Heya, first off, I really do appreciate you taking what I said with an open mind. And for at least stopping to think about it. Thank you sir.

 

Ok, so what if there was a way to compromise? I know, darned well, that this site keeps tabs on the dates that we start our membership, stuff that we've downloaded, posts that we've made.

What if, we could set it up, so that a less obnoxious screen could show up, after we've been a member for oh.... 2 months. Or, after we've downloaded... 20 files.

Give the new members a way to see what we're about, what the site is about, what Robin is about, before making a bad impression on them? Giving them a reason to go on twitter, FB, reddit, whatever social media and talk trash about the Nexus and Robin?

Give them a chance to decide, and make up their minds whether this is a place that they want to contribute financially to, rather than say "Hey, welcome, thanks for signing up, can I get 60 bucks from you?"

What if, in the meantime, we changed that screen to say "Hey let us take a second to get this file ready for you, sorry for the inconvenience". Or at least something to give an understanding of why they're waiting, rather than insinuating "Hey, give us money to make this go away".

 

No trust me. I agree with what you're saying about the freeloaders. Especially the ones who are making these complaints, who have been here for a long time as members, and they only have less then 5 actual posts. Some of said posts, being right here, complaining. OR the ones that gaming rigs that I probly won't be able to afford for another 1-3 years, giving excuses that they can't afford it.

But honestly, if they haven't signed up for premium by now, it's most likely, that for whatever their reasons, they're probly not gonna. And throwing around the premium is a one time payment, it gets rid of this and that, and that, and this, isn't going to persuade them to do so, or enable them to do so.

All it is, is two sides bashing their heads against each other. Also, as somebody who's currently unemployed because I had to relocate to a different state, I sympathize for those who aren't able to financially chip in.

 

Ok, honestly, the premium is good. But it's not a cure. In my mind, Robin could consider making the contributions a bit easier to find. NOT throw it up in your face like this new screen does, but make it available on the downloads pages, where all the mods are listed, or something. I'm not cracking on the premium memberships at all. And trust me, I know the real reasons, why it's set up the way that it is.

But the premium membership only helps to pay the bills, when the membership was paid. It doesn't do anything to help pay the bills today. Or tomorrow. Or next month.

 

 

 

It's not about Greed, but more about, "hey, we've been providing a service that for over a decade, how about helping US out for once?"

Oh, I totally agree. It's not about greed. Thats why, as long as Robin runs the nexus this will never happen ->

Imagine if the Nexus decided, "Well, that's it, no more free users" and made it so you could only SEE the mods available, and couldn't even download them unless you paid for a premium subscription (Which some Mod Thieves are doing with Patreon)?

LOL have fun playing Outward. Wishing I had some cash to splurge on, Fallout4 is kinda ticking me off a lot atm. :eyeroll:

 

 

 

 

The "Compromise" has always been there from the very Beginning.

It's the non-paying users who keep demanding more, with no compromise.

 

I.E. Nexus: "We're not going to charge you to download mods, and being a paying membership will be an OPTION, however, as a compromise, your download speed will be a little bit slower than the people who PAY, also, now that it's been over a decade and a lot of you are STILL using this site for free, even though we doubled the download speed for non-paying members who turn off their ad-blocker, so, now you have a 5 second countdown, with a comparison screen about the differences between FREE use and a paid Membership"

 

To illustrate how insane this is, we've all seen people who have been members for YEARS make their very first post ONLY because their usual routine was upset by a new Download screen.

Meanwhile downloading away quietly for years and years, and making their very first CONTRIBUTION in all that time, to complain about something that slightly inconveniences THEM.

 

It's tired and old, people who don't even care to contribute by posting, and have post counts from 1 - 150, are all of a sudden popping out of the woodwork because of a new screen, and all of a sudden complaing LOUDLY and running up their post counts into the Ones, and possibly even into the Tens

 

The only people who don't want a compromise, are the free users who are demanding that everything be as convenient and easy for them as paying users, while ignoring the fact that this site costs money, for the hosts and the premium members.

 

I have a feeling the "annoying screen" is more of a response from the Nexus for the influx of the millions of people who have been using this site without paying, for over a decade and have no intention of ever paying.

So, I would hazard that the fault lies with those people as to how the "Annoying screen" came about.

Everything must end at some time, when too many people start abusing and exploiting the hell out of it.

 

Seriously, there are people who have been on the site for almost a decade, who you NEVER hear from, until the NExus changes something like the layout, format, design, rules etc, then all of a sudden, that person pops out of the woodwork every few years, and tosses out the cliché "Thanks a LOT Nexus, I was JUST going to become a Premium member until the Nexus did THIS™" nonsense after every single change the Nexus makes, as if these people has some sort of influence as a long time non-paying member over the site.

 

[GaStuSage]

To everyone saying it's a free service to non paying users and therefore shouldn't complain.. Free does not equal immunity to critique.

 

No doubt. But, the same can be said in return. Also, there is a difference between telling someone they shouldn't complain, and encouraging someone to ask themselves what it is they're really complaining about. Nuance is the spice of life.

 

Just because you can afford A and B does not mean you can afford C. A game is my entire "fun" budget for a month, for example, and after doing some budgeting, it's actually a fun budget for more than a month.

 

Some people, for example, might only have 30 spare dollars a month after bills. That's just the first-level analysis of the problems with that statement, ignoring a larger issue.

 

In any case, the problem here can be seen as two fold- making an appeal that one should support the site as a matter of morality ignores the fact that people may not view things the way you do, and the second issue is that people may not agree that they received 50 of value from the site. The costs of the site are irrelevant when customers make a purchasing decision - they look at their value.

 

.. And that ignores the fact you may not wish for people to be making purely transactional decisions when they use a community website.

 

(Also: Also why do you want to look and act like RapidGator?!)

 

 

You comment about RapidGator is too true, and made me laugh :yes: :thumbsup: . Hopefully, they reconsider their "plug" screen and find better ways to encourage premium membership, but if they don't... them's the breaks, I suppose.

 

Your argument about whether or not an individual can afford A, B, but not C is sound. I'm sure we've all experienced this, and there are others that may not be able to afford anything but A... but, if you have a budget where you can afford a game a month... then it doesn't really sound like you're one of those folk. Would it be out of the question to skip buying a game for one month or two, and decide to send that support toward a site that you've been a member of for many years? A site that has people behind the scenes that spend their own time managing a place where some level of cyber community exists - a place that hosts your mods and others - a place where we currently find ourselves spending time hashing this stuff out. I say all of that not to shame, only to encourage discourse and reason in this ongoing debate.

 

Now, we also know, that unless it's an "adult" site, MOST brand new users are NOT gonna come on to the site, and the first thing they do, is shell out over 50 bucks. Not for a site like this one.

No, the first thing that new user is gonna do, is look up the mod that they saw on youtube, reddit, or wherever else on the web that they saw it. They're gonna do their membership, click on the link, and try to download the file.

To be greeted by a GIANT orange box, that takes up most of their screen, says "Hey, you can pay us, not to see this" (that's basically what the user is gonna interpret it as) and take 5 seconds to think it over. (Again, that's what the new user is gonna think)

You guys are seeing all the whining and complaining, but missing the people who have the legitimate gripe, that it makes the site look bad. You guys are focusing so much on the people whining about having the payment thrown in their face, that you're missing what this is gonna look like to people who know absolutely nothing about this place.

All of you folks, I do not doubt in the least that you love this place as much as you say you do. I don't doubt that at all. But if you do, then at least please consider what this kind of thing LOOKS LIKE.

You maintain that you support this site. I maintain that I do as well. And as part of my support, I HAVE to argue that this new box tarnishes the image of this site.

 

Well... to an internet savvy preteen this site could well be considered "adult" in some corners of the world :laugh: . Your point about first time users is fair enough though.

 

Their first impressions may well be some slooty images, big automatic weaponry, and throw in some good ol' fashion blood and guts - Hurray! Then BAM! - big orange screen. Sh*t... I just wanted my T&A, M60, and dismemberment mods... and that's just for Fallout. :laugh: :laugh: Sorry... I probably should've just left it at your point being fair enough, but I couldn't help myself. Now for a more serious statement.

 

I think the first time I really started using this site is when Planet Elder Scrolls and Great House Fliggerty went the way of the payphone... they will be missed... I used the site for what it had available, for those things related to what I was searching everywhere for: mods for Morrowind. Even though there are other well known sites for that, I found myself over time gravitating toward the Nexus. I've been taking the site for granted ever since, sucking mods out of here to build my games up - geek out in one version or another of the CS, CSE, or CK, break things to my hearts content - and game on when I can. That's my personal take on my own behavior over the years - an attempt at being objective about it and now deciding to share that here in case others relate. If that makes some folk reading this feel shame, than that's not on me - it just means it's a relatable experience, and maybe a nerve has been struck. If that's the case then don't shy away from it like some kobold, Orc up :devil: ! I only kid, there... sorta - lol.

 

There are definitely good points being made by some folk, on both sides of this debate... and some hilarious ones too if we can all try to not take ourselves too seriously. I think most of us can agree that the big orange prostitution screen is a tad seedy at the least. I personally don't think it's the worst thing I've seen within the realms of game related, or internet related behavior though. Also, if anyone hasn't noticed - this thread is still open...

[HadToRegister]

I can just imagine what the people complaining would have to say about "Shareware"

[Deleted3423134User]

I can just imagine what the people complaining would have to say about "Shareware"

 

*dies laughing*