CTD whenever game saves [modded game]

[anjenthedog]

 

What number would you suggest for me? I play on a mid-tier laptop

 

 

Try mine? 36000...

 

Theoretically, based on the setting name, fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS , that works out to a 36 second delay (36,000 milliseconds = 36 seconds) , but really, I've never seen more than a ~3-4 second pause.

 

At solstheim or windhelm, what that looks like is you get there, you see the dock, sounds begin, then things lock up for a few seconds, and then you're released again. (ie you're able to move again). for other cell transitions, it means a fade to black and back that stays black just a little longer than vanilla.

 

to be clear, that setting is located in <your name>/Documents/My Games/Skyrim Special Edition/Skyrim.ini under the [papyrus] marker (in case it is a setting that I added in and wasn't there by default)

 

explanation: from my foggy memory, I believe what fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS is supposed to do is allow things to stabilize while dumping the old cell contents out of memory and adding the new ones, so you don't accidentally get some sort of "race-condition" overlap that spikes your graphics memory (or main memory, or processor clicks... can't remember)

[nbucilini]

Define 'mid-tier'... I consider my PC to be kinda mid-tier (Vega64 & R7 2700X), so, hey.

Quite honestly, I know absolute jack about computers, so I can't really tell ya. I say mid-tier cause its not terrible and its not great.

[nbucilini]

 

 

What number would you suggest for me? I play on a mid-tier laptop

 

 

Try mine? 36000...

 

Theoretically, based on the setting name, fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS , that works out to a 36 second delay (36,000 milliseconds = 36 seconds) , but really, I've never seen more than a ~3-4 second pause.

 

At solstheim or windhelm, what that looks like is you get there, you see the dock, sounds begin, then things lock up for a few seconds, and then you're released again. (ie you're able to move again). for other cell transitions, it means a fade to black and back that stays black just a little longer than vanilla.

 

to be clear, that setting is located in <your name>/Documents/My Games/Skyrim Special Edition/Skyrim.ini under the [papyrus] marker (in case it is a setting that I added in and wasn't there by default)

 

explanation: from my foggy memory, I believe what fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS is supposed to do is allow things to stabilize while dumping the old cell contents out of memory and adding the new ones, so you don't accidentally get some sort of "race-condition" overlap that spikes your graphics memory (or main memory, or processor clicks... can't remember)

 

I'll try it. What has just been happening to me is I'm in the Palace of the Kings and after a few tries I was able to get inside from Windhelm without crashing, then I could save inside but not wait without crashing

 

Edit: Just tried the time thingy going from Palace of the Kings main hall to the barracks right near the main door and I still crashed

Edited January 25, 2020 by nbucilini

[anjenthedog]

Ok.... Try doubling it as an experiment. If it still doesn't work, bump it back to it's default and move on to other potential causes. For me, it made a big difference in the incidence of cell-transition CTDs (and afaik still does)

 

And make sure you're using the active ini file in User/Documents/My Games, not the one in /Program FIles (x86)/Steam/..../Skyrim Special edition (which is afaik just a template file)

 

FTR, My system is a tower , 9700K proc., 64G main, 6G Nvidia 1060SC, and primary drive (where game is) is a 500G SSD.

I don't believe it's top end, but at ~1 year old, I suspect it's still beefier than your average mid tier laptop.

[nbucilini]

Just tried it. I was able to load into the new cell, but after a couple seconds of black screen, the game immediately CTD

[anjenthedog]

Just tried it. I was able to load into the new cell, but after a couple seconds of black screen, the game immediately CTD

Then it must be something else. At least you apparently saw what gameplay UI effect it has "viscerally"... So if you reset it (which probably makes sense for now), remember, because that might come in handy downstream. (or not...your choice of course)

 

I don't recall, are you using any asset modifiers for Windhelm?

 

If so, I'd like you to disable the phattest windhlem modifier, reload the game and try again.

 

If that doesn't work and you still have candidate mods installed that fit this testing (other windhelm modifiers), disable them one by one, testing inbetween each time. Note the order that you uninstalled. At the end of the test, if this doesn't fix this particular CTD condition, add them back in the reverse order.

 

... or civil war stuff?

 

I mention civil war because although I haven't tried it (and won't) , those mods may very well do things to all the major strongholds that are or aren't visually apparent but might cause problems on cell transition. Here, I'm not exactly sure if you can suspend such a mod without breaking the civil war "quest" so I have to defer to more knowledgeable people on whether performing similar tests is possible for them.

 

I also just thought of another. Lighting and environmentals. I'd suggest systematically (like my first example) disabling them and trying to do that specific cell transition (winhlem castle to barrack) (don't use new cell transitions, let's stick with this one as a control variable), so make sure to open the same save each time for testing so that you have the same starting position

 

I hope you see where I'm going here. Systematically test when anything in the area of where a localized, repeatable CTD is occurring.

 

At some point, you're going to either find and murder the bug to death or you're going to have to give in and accept the glitches and work around them,. For the longest time, I used to try riding horses. NO more. GD things Always end up flying me into the mountains or way up into the sky. It's just not worth the hassle. On the other hand, I've solved all sorts of things (for my system, like the cell transition CTDs) , so a bit of homework can pay off. It's up to you when enough is enough.

[nbucilini]

I'll take a look at my mods. I don't have too many, so it shouldn't be too bad. Here's my load order if you want to have a quick look or anything

 

ACTIVE [Name] Moonlight Tales SE 1_35-2803-1-35
ACTIVE [Name] Zip It Jerks - Remove annoying or repetitive Dialogue From NPCs https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/28478
ACTIVE [Name] Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/22506
ACTIVE [Name] Walk like a normal person-24165-1-0-1552564407 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/24164
ACTIVE [Name] SkyUI https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/12604
ACTIVE [Name] SkyTEST - Realistic Animals and Predators SE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1104
ACTIVE [Name] Skyrim Unbound Reborn https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/27962
ACTIVE [Name] Skyrim Reputation SSE v2.4 skse release https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/95269
ACTIVE [Name] Skyrim Realistic Conquering for Fort Takeovers - All-In-One https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/26396
ACTIVE [Name] Rude Imperial Soldiers Escort Prisoner fix https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/894
ACTIVE [Name] Pretty Combat Animations http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/15703
ACTIVE [Name] Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1137
ACTIVE [Name] Man Those Borders SSE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/681
ACTIVE [Name] LeanWolf's Better-Shaped Weapons SE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2017
ACTIVE [Name] Immersive Patrols SE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/718
ACTIVE [Name] Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/173/?
ACTIVE [Name] Freecraft Legecy https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1931
ACTIVE [Name] Fores New Idles in Skyrim SE - FNIS SE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/3038
ACTIVE [Name] First Person Camera Height Fix https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/28091
ACTIVE [Name] Draw - A Dueling Mod https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11276
ACTIVE [Name] Crime Bounty Decay SE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/25457
ACTIVE [Name] Cloaks of the Nords https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/8886
ACTIVE [Name] Cloaks of Skyrim SSE http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/6369/?
ACTIVE [Name] Civil War Checkpoints https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17364
ACTIVE [Name] Civil War Aftermath SE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/3484
ACTIVE [Name] Blind Rage - Brawl Anyone https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/28686
ACTIVE [Name] Cloaks and Capes https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2019
ACTIVE [Name] Concentrative Shouts https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/5503
ACTIVE [Name] Guards Armor Replacer SSE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/22671
ACTIVE [Name] Infinite Shouts (No Cooldown) https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2810
ACTIVE [Name] Jewel Of Solstheim https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/28537
ACTIVE [Name] New Legion https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/30468
ACTIVE [Name] New Legion https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/30468
ACTIVE [Name] Populated Solstheim SE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/29452
ACTIVE [Name] Thundering Shouts https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/14352
ACTIVE [Name] Static Mesh Improvement Mod http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/659/?
ACTIVE [Name] Legion Signifer-29894-1-1-1571777295
ACTIVE [Name] Camp Argentum SSE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/14226
ACTIVE [Name] Aetherium Armor and Weapons Compilation by lautasantenni https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2687
ACTIVE [Name] Paper World Map https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/10836
ACTIVE [Name] Immersive Armors https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/3479
ACTIVE [Name] Immersive Weapons https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/16788
ACTIVE [Name] Imperious - Races of Skyrim https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1315
ACTIVE [Name] Better Fire and Frost Breath Shouts SE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1366
ACTIVE [Name] Better Wuuthrad Axe. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/7271
ACTIVE [Name] Better Jumping SE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/18967
ACTIVE [Name] Run For Your Lives https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/2272
ACTIVE [Name] AddItemMenu - Ultimate Mod Explorer https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17563
ACTIVE [Name] Faster Greatswords https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1913
ACTIVE [Name] Fuz Ro D-oh - Silent Voice https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/15109
ACTIVE [Name] UIExtensions https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17561
ACTIVE [Name] SSE Engine Fixes (skse64 plugin) https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17230
ACTIVE [Name] Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/266
ACTIVE [Name] Cutting Room Floor - SSE https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/276

[anjenthedog]

Nothing jumps out at me, (except *maybe the civil war stuff) but then. mod lists don't usually do so for me. Hopefully someone else can recognize something.

[JimmyRJump]

You could also try ENBoost. It's at the FO4 pages but it works on several games, including Skyrim SE. When using an ENB preset you should copy the entries from ENBoost's enblocal.in file and paste them into the enblocal.ini from the ENB preset.

 

ENBoost is a tool that lets a game use System RAM as Video RAM, in case the GPU hasn't got enough, providing you have sufficient system RAM.

 

In your load list, there's two "New Legion" entries. They both have the same mod number too. What's that about?

A possible clash can exist between "Cloaks Of The Nords", "Cloaks And Capes" and "Cloaks Of Skyrim".

[nbucilini]

You could also try ENBoost. It's at the FO4 pages but it works on several games, including Skyrim SE. When using an ENB preset you should copy the entries from ENBoost's enblocal.in file and paste them into the enblocal.ini from the ENB preset.

 

ENBoost is a tool that lets a game use System RAM as Video RAM, in case the GPU hasn't got enough, providing you have sufficient system RAM.

 

In your load list, there's two "New Legion" entries. They both have the same mod number too. What's that about?

A possible clash can exist between "Cloaks Of The Nords", "Cloaks And Capes" and "Cloaks Of Skyrim".

There's two New Legion entries because one of them is the data itself and the other is the texture file. I'll look into the Cloaks mods as well as the ENBoost and get back to ya