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[Guest deleted34304850]

i have ignored nothing. the ignorance comes from you and the other tinfoil hat wearer.

you cannot produce anything you claim as fact because it is your interpretation and while you're allowed to hold such opinions, i'm also allowed to ask you to produce real facts. you have failed time and time again to do so.

what does that tell you?

now, go and get some actual facts, not your interpretation of them, real, verified, empirical facts and then we'll talk like grown ups.....back to you.

[Shadowheart328]

 

According to BLM, all whites ARE racist....

What? Where the hell are you getting this stupid propaganda? Nowhere does the BLM movement say that ALL white people are racist. Nowhere. You are either purposefully vilifying the group to match your misinformed views, our you are getting it from someone who is. A lot of people in the BLM movement are white or from other ethnicities/identies, and many of our supporters are the same as well. I guess what you are doing is you went out and googled for examples of BLM supporters who did believe all white people were racist or signs that conveyed that (pretty all of which are faked propaganda) and then ascribed the entire movement as racist because of that. I swear people with your viewpoints do this all the time: When it comes to white people you can't paint everyone with the same brush, even though their are white supremacy groups, and the right (which is mainly consisting of white supporters) spout racist stuff all the time. But when it comes to BLM if one person says their Marxist the whole organization is Marxist, if one person 60 years ago (white I may add) was arrested for possible terrorism conspiracies, then the whole organization is terrorist, if their are looters and rioters (of whom protesters can't control, because you know it's a protest of 1000s of people, you can't control everyone there) then all BLM are looters and rioters. You get the point? This is the whole reason BLM exists. Because when an injustice is done to black people by law enforcement, the same people meant to protect them. People with your viewpoints come out of the wood works to justify those actions and paint the officer as being justified in unlawfully detaining, shooting, killing, abusing, or arresting them.

 

I personally think it's because people with your viewpoints and the right in general are extremely uncomfortable with the idea of systemic racism still existing in law enforcement/America, so they try to justify these blatantly racist acts by saying that there has to be some other reason for it.

 

As for your second point, I already brought this up in pretty much every post and you just keep repeating the same thing ad nauseam. Context matters! You keep trying to insinuate that black people are inherently violent, and that is why police abuse and racial profiling is justifiable. BUT THAT ISN'T THE CASE AND IS WHY THE CONTEXT MATTERS. Black people are not inherently violent, so cops treating them differently is called: "Racial Profiling", you know assuming that just because they are black they are going to try and fight back, kill them, run, or are guilty. Yet white people, even in poor violent neighborhoods are less likely to be. This is what BLM is fighting for, for that racial bias and treatment to end. You can't go around assuming all black people you come across are violent criminals, and then treat them as such.

 

I mean. I don't get it. You readily admit that their is racial bias, but then say that racial bias is totally justifiable. When it should never be. If you don't want to be labeled a racist because other white people are racist or support racist ideals, then I can't fathom how you don't want black people to have the same treatment. Because that's what BLM is for, fighting to stop that systemic racism and bias in law enforcement.

[Shadowheart328]

At this point I believe the thread should be locked, like the last one, this has deviated way off the original topic (which was easily disproven) of whether BLM actually cares about black lives. I don't thin their is anymore room for debate to be had. Nobody wants to have a serious discussion, or actually want to tackle points brought up. At this point they are making up information (BLM thinks all white people are racists, are a terrorist organization, and are misconstruing statistics by ignoring the context to get their points across). Eventually we'll just end up arguing in circles again.

[HeyYou]

i have ignored nothing. the ignorance comes from you and the other tinfoil hat wearer.

you cannot produce anything you claim as fact because it is your interpretation and while you're allowed to hold such opinions, i'm also allowed to ask you to produce real facts. you have failed time and time again to do so.

what does that tell you?

now, go and get some actual facts, not your interpretation of them, real, verified, empirical facts and then we'll talk like grown ups.....back to you.

Really??? Perhaps you missed this post. A simple google search will also prove the point, but no, you can't do that, because it will burst the bubble of your illusion.

 

And once again coming out with the insults and such.

 

So, I am going to come to the startling conclusions that debating with either of you is a colossal waste of time. You have already been firmly indoctrinated by your leftist overlords, and told what to think. Even when faced with facts, you deny, deflect, and start in with the insults and character assassination. I have had more intelligent conversations with three year olds. Attempting to describe yourselves as "grownups" just made me laugh. I am going to leave you two to your delusions the BLM as anything but an organization looking for handouts for their chosen demographic, as I have better things to do with my time.

 

You all have fun now.

[xrayy]

 

Now read this .... and again remember this BLM agenda is being sold as BLACK LIVES MATTER and yet ....

 

Black Lives Matter: "We Are Trained Marxists" - Part I

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16181/black-lives-matter

* BLM's founders openly admit to being Marxist ideologues

* BLM states that it wants to abolish: the nuclear family; police and prisons; heteronormativity; and capitalism.

* BLM, which is not registered as a non-profit organization for tax purposes, has raised tens of millions of dollars in donations.

More yet to come ....

For those wondering and such. I have cancer, so there is limits to what I can do right now as I tire easily. I will gladly provide proof to mod. of said cancer .. if need be. He / She will be asked to keep type and such quiet .. I am due some privacy. But the cancer is very real. I start Radiation Therapy and likely some surgery in Aug.

 

i read yours - did you watch mine ? i' m still waiting for your statement to trumps interview with fox news chris wallace!

 

and why do you think blm gets more and more supporters ? because of the neutral, understandable, fair and balanced politics of the current president ?

and who needs policemen acting open and without any empathy like racists ? you ?

 

why don't you say bloody, brutal trained marxists ? does this fit better your fake reality ? did these founders killed people in their interviews or was it the policemen with his knee on the neck of a defenceless black man? just google neutral information about the blm founders and what they really did and studied in their lives.

 

and just try to think about the situation vice versa while white people would be a minority and treated like their lives don't matter.

don't you a agree that in this case white people would do the same or at least would try to change the situation if an incapable president would treat them the same way or even legalize violence against them ?

probably you are overwhelmed to cope with such questions und even incapable to give an honest answer! if not you would never argue as you do.

 

and i can say what is really skyrocketing: it is the trumpvirus while trump still communicates in an interview the u.s. have brillant corona numbers and had two beautiful worldwars (???) and it is the neverending series of stupid and cleaving actions and decisions of the elected u.s president. at least he is able to identify an elephant so his iq must be incredible, far ahead of joe bidens.

my conclusion: he never had a strategy for the u.s but for his own. he never acted with a vision for the country but for himself.the result is that he always reacts if he can maximize his ego or very late and only in case he has no other choice and his bulls**t acting is obvious to everyone including foxnews!

[xrayy]

 

i have ignored nothing. the ignorance comes from you and the other tinfoil hat wearer.

you cannot produce anything you claim as fact because it is your interpretation and while you're allowed to hold such opinions, i'm also allowed to ask you to produce real facts. you have failed time and time again to do so.

what does that tell you?

now, go and get some actual facts, not your interpretation of them, real, verified, empirical facts and then we'll talk like grown ups.....back to you.

Really??? Perhaps you missed this post. A simple google search will also prove the point, but no, you can't do that, because it will burst the bubble of your illusion.

 

heyyou - with such statement you are disqualifying youself. check what the founders did and learned and earned in their lives and don't repress that not one of the founders killed the black man but a white policeman with his knee on his neck. so what is your point ? you prefer people who support a white murderer in police uniform or at least someone with no empathy at all and instead bashing a woman who supports marxistic ideas without conflicting with the law supporting and co founding a movement like blm? is this your sensational discovery or a problem in a free country like america? what did you think ? that a demented white or a white racist founded blm and now you are surprised ?

[HeyYou]

 

 

i have ignored nothing. the ignorance comes from you and the other tinfoil hat wearer.

you cannot produce anything you claim as fact because it is your interpretation and while you're allowed to hold such opinions, i'm also allowed to ask you to produce real facts. you have failed time and time again to do so.

what does that tell you?

now, go and get some actual facts, not your interpretation of them, real, verified, empirical facts and then we'll talk like grown ups.....back to you.

Really??? Perhaps you missed this post. A simple google search will also prove the point, but no, you can't do that, because it will burst the bubble of your illusion.

 

heyyou - with such statement you are disqualifying youself. check what the founders did and learned and earned in their lives and don't repress that not one of the founders killed the black man but a white policeman with his knee on his neck. so what is your point ? you prefer people who support a white murderer in police uniform or at least someone with no empathy at all and instead bashing a woman who supports marxistic ideas without conflicting with the law supporting and co founding a movement like blm? is this your sensational discovery or a problem in a free country like america? what did you think ? that a demented white or a white racist founded blm and now you are surprised ?

 

Why does it have to be black and white? (as in, you support one side, or the other, with no middle ground.) Where did I say that I support the cop that kill Floyd? I think somewhere, I specifically mentioned that I did NOT. (maybe that was in another thread, or even another forum.... I simply can't remember....)

 

But, in any event, I am not interested in marxism, or marxist ideas, or marxism seeping into government via the demands of an organization founded by self-admitted marxists. I am just not a fan. That, and a whole host of other reasons, that I have already gone over, several times..... is why I do NOT support BLM. So does that mean I automatically support the racists? Most certainly not. There IS a middle ground here, you just don't seem to believe that it exists.

[xrayy]

you have to ask trump for that, not me. he is the permanent divider. i'm also not interested in marxism.

so if a founder of something has an idea you do not support that does automatically mean you don't support it just because of the founders ideas ?

 

who do you think founded labor unions ? right wing racists or rich businessman ? i bet there were also people with marxistic ideas involved. is this a reason to ignore labor unions ?

 

so what are you doing right now. hiding from anything that a marxist could have been touched or founded ?

are you kidding ?

what counts is the movement and the idea! to discredit a movement just because of a marxist statement of a founder is just self implied ignorance nothing else. with your argument you shoul better go back in your marxist free cave.

 

if you think i blindly trust or support blm you have a wrong impression. i'm only defending blm as a movement from being discredited by spreading stupid, pointless or unreflected arguments. i do not defend any individuum even if it is blm founder or whatever for its actions if it commits crime or acts like a racist or just debates to spread cleaving ideas while ignoring common sense.

 

my recommendation: try to open your mind and study why blm was founded and read about the life of the three founders and then tell me your impression about them and the movement and what you think is so incredibly wrong with it. use wikipedia or other serious infomation and please avoid fox tv or right wing related head lines! this is the only way to reach middle ground! if all people - including u.s. president -would have an open mind and act like that, there would be no reason that blm exists in the future because all lives would matter.

[Guest deleted34304850]

 

i have ignored nothing. the ignorance comes from you and the other tinfoil hat wearer.

you cannot produce anything you claim as fact because it is your interpretation and while you're allowed to hold such opinions, i'm also allowed to ask you to produce real facts. you have failed time and time again to do so.

what does that tell you?

now, go and get some actual facts, not your interpretation of them, real, verified, empirical facts and then we'll talk like grown ups.....back to you.

Really??? Perhaps you missed this post. A simple google search will also prove the point, but no, you can't do that, because it will burst the bubble of your illusion.

 

And once again coming out with the insults and such.

 

So, I am going to come to the startling conclusions that debating with either of you is a colossal waste of time. You have already been firmly indoctrinated by your leftist overlords, and told what to think. Even when faced with facts, you deny, deflect, and start in with the insults and character assassination. I have had more intelligent conversations with three year olds. Attempting to describe yourselves as "grownups" just made me laugh. I am going to leave you two to your delusions the BLM as anything but an organization looking for handouts for their chosen demographic, as I have better things to do with my time.

 

You all have fun now.

 

don't be like that - all i did was call you and the other racist out for your bullshit. not my fault you can't back it up, is it?

[HeyYou]

you have to ask trump for that, not me. he is the permanent divider. i'm also not interested in marxism.

so if a founder of something has an idea you do not support that does automatically mean you don't support it just because of the founders ideas ?

 

who do you think founded labor unions ? right wing racists or rich businessman ? i bet there were also people with marxistic ideas involved. is this a reason to ignore labor unions ?

 

so what are you doing right now. hiding from anything that a marxist could have been touched or founded ?

are you kidding ?

what counts is the movement and the idea! to discredit a movement just because of a marxist statement of a founder is just self implied ignorance nothing else. with your argument you shoul better go back in your marxist free cave.

 

if you think i blindly trust or support blm you have a wrong impression. i'm only defending blm as a movement from being discredited by spreading stupid, pointless or unreflected arguments. i do not defend any individuum even if it is blm founder or whatever for its actions if it commits crime or acts like a racist or just debates to spread cleaving ideas while ignoring common sense.

 

my recommendation: try to open your mind and study why blm was founded and read about the life of the three founders and then tell me your impression about them and the movement and what you think is so incredibly wrong with it. use wikipedia or other serious infomation and please avoid fox tv or right wing related head lines! this is the only way to reach middle ground! if all people - including u.s. president -would have an open mind and act like that, there would be no reason that blm exists in the future because all lives would matter.

I have already stated my case on why I don't support them, the marxist leaders is only one part of it. If you can't accept that, well, I don't really care. I don't need to 'dig any deeper' into an organization that I have already seen is just as prejudiced as those they are accusing. An organization that ignores the root causes of their complaints, and instead, want to eliminate other organizations that were designed to make our society safer. It has already been proven that handcuffing those organizations, and preventing them from even wanting to do their job, for fear of some left-wing organization/leadership putting them in jail, is counter-productive.

 

 

 

i have ignored nothing. the ignorance comes from you and the other tinfoil hat wearer.

you cannot produce anything you claim as fact because it is your interpretation and while you're allowed to hold such opinions, i'm also allowed to ask you to produce real facts. you have failed time and time again to do so.

what does that tell you?

now, go and get some actual facts, not your interpretation of them, real, verified, empirical facts and then we'll talk like grown ups.....back to you.

Really??? Perhaps you missed this post. A simple google search will also prove the point, but no, you can't do that, because it will burst the bubble of your illusion.

 

And once again coming out with the insults and such.

 

So, I am going to come to the startling conclusions that debating with either of you is a colossal waste of time. You have already been firmly indoctrinated by your leftist overlords, and told what to think. Even when faced with facts, you deny, deflect, and start in with the insults and character assassination. I have had more intelligent conversations with three year olds. Attempting to describe yourselves as "grownups" just made me laugh. I am going to leave you two to your delusions the BLM as anything but an organization looking for handouts for their chosen demographic, as I have better things to do with my time.

 

You all have fun now.

 

don't be like that - all i did was call you and the other racist out for your bulls***. not my fault you can't back it up, is it?

 

That's really funny. You do understand that de nile is not just a river in Egypt? Right? If you want to ignore the facts, that's on you.