Would it matter IF ...

[jjb54]

 

BLM has stated: "IF YOU DO NOT GIVE US OUR DEMANDS ... WE WILL BURN EVERYTHING DOWN."

Sorry, dude, but that is a very clear sample of terrorist menace. I cant support that and no authority should yield to such demands. Is common sense. Civism over all. That's the way to achieve positive things. And the best example is Martin Luther King.

There are many problems of all kinds in USA? That's right. But Marxism is not the solution because Marxism has not ever been the solution in any country. But that is something that the only way to learn it is the hard way. You can ask the citizens of the ex-soviets republics.

We can go further, but I dont have to eat an egg completly to know it is rotten and BLM is not making the right approach about this matter.

 

 

Totally agree!

 

For those who are Google Search Challenged:

 

BLM states "IF YOU DO NOT GIVE US OUR DEMANDS ... WE WILL BURN EVERYTHING DOWN."

 

Just highlight the above and Search.

 

Now the guy stated - " .. it could be literal or figurative .. " Okay, I'll give that some 'room'.

 

So let's look at the evidence! Facts! ... BLM has destroyed - burned and such more property than not. So we can say he means it LITERALLY!

 

... Here is evidence #1 .. these are NOT the exceptions but the rule:

 

 

 

So BLM is a TERRORIST - MARXIST movement.

 

Sorry - but facts do not lie.

[Guest deleted34304850]

Do you know what "marxism" is? Going on your racist posts of late, it seems you don't.

[Guest deleted34304850]

 

 

Black lives matter.... but, it seems, only when they are killed by police.

 

In the US, on average, cops kill about 200 blacks per year. Right around 500 whites are killed per year.

And there are four times as many white people as black in the US. Math tells us those numbers mean that you're roughly twice as likely to get killed by police if you're black. You tend to bring them up to suggest black people have nothing to complain about, but those same numbers tell the opposite story.

 

That's very true, however, when you take into consideration that blacks commit better than 50% of violent crime, though represent only 13% of the population, why would anyone be surprised that cops shoot them in disproportionate numbers?

 

 

 

no links - no suprises. colour me shocked.

 

 

Not like the FBI website, or DoD website, are hard to find........

 

Oh I know they exist, I want you, yes YOU to give me YOUR links. Not your interpretation of the links, the actual links themselves. You can't though, can you? I find that this is often the case.

[jjb54]

Do you know what "marxism" is? Going on your racist posts of late, it seems you don't.

 

What def. would you like?

 

Merriam Webster:

Definition of Marxism

: the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx

especially : a theory and practice of socialism (see SOCIALISM sense 3) including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society

I could go on ...

But there is NOT 1 time in history where it worked ... as with Communism as well.

I would site examples of Venezuela, look at the people who want to leave Cuba and such ....

Basically those in POWER are Rich and have what they want and need. Those NOT in power historically have lived in POVERTY their whole lives - unless they were able to ESCAPE it.

Yes, I am well aware of Marxism .... Sorry.

[HeyYou]

 

 

 

Black lives matter.... but, it seems, only when they are killed by police.

 

In the US, on average, cops kill about 200 blacks per year. Right around 500 whites are killed per year.

And there are four times as many white people as black in the US. Math tells us those numbers mean that you're roughly twice as likely to get killed by police if you're black. You tend to bring them up to suggest black people have nothing to complain about, but those same numbers tell the opposite story.

 

That's very true, however, when you take into consideration that blacks commit better than 50% of violent crime, though represent only 13% of the population, why would anyone be surprised that cops shoot them in disproportionate numbers?

 

 

 

no links - no suprises. colour me shocked.

 

Not like the FBI website, or DoD website, are hard to find........

 

Oh I know they exist, I want you, yes YOU to give me YOUR links. Not your interpretation of the links, the actual links themselves. You can't though, can you? I find that this is often the case.

 

Hokey doke.

 

according to this table, There were a little over 14,000 murders is 2018. (just an example year) More than half of them, were blacks. (being the victims) 7407..... but, they are only 13% of the population....

and on this table, it shows that of 2925 blacks killed, 234 of them were killed by whites. (less than 10%), 2600 of them were killed by blacks. (roughly 89%)(note: This is for 2016, can't find the table for 2018.)

Here, we have statistics on just who the police have killed for the last couple years. For 2018, (might just as well be consistent here.....) 399 were white, 209 were black. Total for 2018 is 996. So, blacks make up about 21% of that total. Considering they also commit more than 50% of murders, and robberies.... Table.

Edited July 22, 2020 by HeyYou

[jjb54]

HeyYou ...

 

Thanks!

 

I'll repost just for posterity ....

 

Number of people shot to death by the police in the United States from 2017 to 2020, by race

[Shadowheart328]

Jesus Christ, we have to do this again.

HeyYou! I already explained in my first post to you why your interpretation of the statistics is faulty. I mean, you even acknowledged it here but then glance over it.

Black people only make up 13% of the population, the fact that more white people are killed is simply math. You guys are a majority, there are more of you. Thus even small percentages will have high counts, because that's how percentages work. So yes, more white people are killed that blacks, number wise. But percentage and rate wise, African Americans are more significant.

As for the crime. Context is key. You seem to be doing your absolute best to insinuate that black people are deserving of their treatment because unlike white people they are inherently violent hooligans. Black people aren't any different than white people, the reason they have such high crime rates is because most African Americans, due to the poor economic state they were left in from...you know....slavery and jim crow laws, redlining, etc. And there is a direct link to poverty and crime rates. Just like if you only look at white people as a whole, poor whites will commit more crimes. Does that mean poor white people are inherently violent? No. I just means they live in poor economic situations that lead to higher rates of crime.

Again for the police shooting statistics, you need to look at the rates. Black people are killed at a higher rate than white people. I already linked my sources in my first post for that.

Onto your last point.

You also keep bringing up this race on race statistic like it means something in context for BLM. BLM doesn't support murder, I don't understand why you even need to bring that up. BLM is specifically about racial injustice. You constantly bringing that up is just trying to deflect the talking point to something else entirely. And why even use that statistic it doesn't mean anything. People typically murder people they know or associate with, serial killers being the rare exception of people who will travel all over to kill individuals randomly. If you look at white on white crime you guys murder each other at pretty much the same percentage as black on black crime. Most black people live with other black people, most white people live with other white people. So they commit crimes against the people they are near.

Just because black people are statistically more likely to commit crimes doesn't mean all black people are going to commit crime. You basically admit that police have a bias against black people and that bias is what is causing them to unjustly murder unarmed people. The whole reason BLM exists is because of arguments like the ones you are making which is discounting the unfair treatment blacks receive by cops by insinuating that it's somehow our fault the cops have a racial bias.

This would be like assuming all white people are racists, because you have white supremacy groups. Cops should be treating black people they stop as individuals instead of assuming they are out to kill them (a right-wing media thing for the most part, though left-wing media does do this as well).

[jjb54]

Two points: AWKWARD AND HARDBALL QUESTIONS.

1 - Obviously BLM is a lie or at least, should choose a different LABEL.

 

Because BLM - BLACK LIVES MATTER is so tunnel visioned and such ... That "BLACK LIVES MATTER" is very EXCLUSIVE in use and not INCLUSIVE. So it's not really about BLACK LIVES ... but a very LIMITED FOCAL POINT, very limited and very EXCLUSIVE! By your own admission, Shadow ...

 

This is really sad ... and boy do the BLM go hurry - scurry to clearing up it's NOT ABOUT ALL BLACK LIVES ... just a very limited and small minority.

 

So .. CHANGE THE NAME, instead of the lame excuses and avoidance that ALL BLACK LIVES are not a part of this. Only a very small limited minority.

 

2 - - Shadow you posted something that just bothered me. But I also shared it in an Email to a few Black Friends and they all agreed and supported not just the ABOVE ... CHANGE THE NAME! They support this 100% and no I'm not talking 1 or 2 Black Friends ... try 15 - 20 ... and they shared it with their Black Friends too.

 

But this:

 

And I COPY / PASTE:

 

 

You also keep bringing up this race on race statistic like it means something in context for BLM. BLM doesn't support murder, I don't understand why you even need to bring that up.

 

And yet, how many BLACK LIVES and White and and Asians and Hispanic have been KILLED - INJURED physically and such by this so called "BLM Movement"?

. o O ( Quite a few actually. In fact the lives affected by death and / or injury have exceeded the Cop on Black stats. But again, it's not about "those Black Lives" is it?)

 

But here is the question:

Which is worse?

... Killing a Black or other race in your movement?

 

.... OR ....

 

... Killing a DREAM and HARD WORK of Black or other races?

 

See, not IF - but when BLM Movements destroyed a business ( Black or otherwise ) ...

- BLM KILLED THEIR DREAM!

 

Some have said, " .. I would have rather been killed. I don't know if I can recover from this? ... "

 

See, not IF but when BLM injured someone physically ...

- BLM took their dream away from them!

 

So seriously, BLM's acts of Terrorism may not cause a lot of PHYSICAL MURDERS ... but lives are lost, dreams are lost, injuries are inflicted.

 

Maybe BLM needs to rethink ... because the excuses and lame rational that it's not about " ALL BLACK LIVES " is just a very sad admission of a truth BLM does not wish to address.

 

And yes, they do KILL - INJURE and inflict bodily and physical and mental harm and damage.

 

BLM is indeed a TERRORIST movement.

[Guest deleted34304850]

 

 

 

 

Black lives matter.... but, it seems, only when they are killed by police.

 

In the US, on average, cops kill about 200 blacks per year. Right around 500 whites are killed per year.

And there are four times as many white people as black in the US. Math tells us those numbers mean that you're roughly twice as likely to get killed by police if you're black. You tend to bring them up to suggest black people have nothing to complain about, but those same numbers tell the opposite story.

 

That's very true, however, when you take into consideration that blacks commit better than 50% of violent crime, though represent only 13% of the population, why would anyone be surprised that cops shoot them in disproportionate numbers?

 

 

 

no links - no suprises. colour me shocked.

 

Not like the FBI website, or DoD website, are hard to find........

 

Oh I know they exist, I want you, yes YOU to give me YOUR links. Not your interpretation of the links, the actual links themselves. You can't though, can you? I find that this is often the case.

 

Hokey doke.

 

according to this table, There were a little over 14,000 murders is 2018. (just an example year) More than half of them, were blacks. (being the victims) 7407..... but, they are only 13% of the population....

and on this table, it shows that of 2925 blacks killed, 234 of them were killed by whites. (less than 10%), 2600 of them were killed by blacks. (roughly 89%)(note: This is for 2016, can't find the table for 2018.)

Here, we have statistics on just who the police have killed for the last couple years. For 2018, (might just as well be consistent here.....) 399 were white, 209 were black. Total for 2018 is 996. So, blacks make up about 21% of that total. Considering they also commit more than 50% of murders, and robberies.... Table.

 

and not a single link - not one - stating anything to do with "marxism". here's another shocked face. go back and try again and substantiate your absolute gubbins.

[HeyYou]

Jesus Christ, we have to do this again.

 

HeyYou! I already explained in my first post to you why your interpretation of the statistics is faulty. I mean, you even acknowledged it here but then glance over it.

 

Black people only make up 13% of the population, the fact that more white people are killed is simply math. You guys are a majority, there are more of you. Thus even small percentages will have high counts, because that's how percentages work. So yes, more white people are killed that blacks, number wise. But percentage and rate wise, African Americans are more significant.

 

As for the crime. Context is key. You seem to be doing your absolute best to insinuate that black people are deserving of their treatment because unlike white people they are inherently violent hooligans. Black people aren't any different than white people, the reason they have such high crime rates is because most African Americans, due to the poor economic state they were left in from...you know....slavery and jim crow laws, redlining, etc. And there is a direct link to poverty and crime rates. Just like if you only look at white people as a whole, poor whites will commit more crimes. Does that mean poor white people are inherently violent? No. I just means they live in poor economic situations that lead to higher rates of crime.

 

Again for the police shooting statistics, you need to look at the rates. Black people are killed at a higher rate than white people. I already linked my sources in my first post for that.

 

Onto your last point.

 

You also keep bringing up this race on race statistic like it means something in context for BLM. BLM doesn't support murder, I don't understand why you even need to bring that up. BLM is specifically about racial injustice. You constantly bringing that up is just trying to deflect the talking point to something else entirely. And why even use that statistic it doesn't mean anything. People typically murder people they know or associate with, serial killers being the rare exception of people who will travel all over to kill individuals randomly. If you look at white on white crime you guys murder each other at pretty much the same percentage as black on black crime. Most black people live with other black people, most white people live with other white people. So they commit crimes against the people they are near.

 

Just because black people are statistically more likely to commit crimes doesn't mean all black people are going to commit crime. You basically admit that police have a bias against black people and that bias is what is causing them to unjustly murder unarmed people. The whole reason BLM exists is because of arguments like the ones you are making which is discounting the unfair treatment blacks receive by cops by insinuating that it's somehow our fault the cops have a racial bias.

 

This would be like assuming all white people are racists, because you have white supremacy groups. Cops should be treating black people they stop as individuals instead of assuming they are out to kill them (a right-wing media thing for the most part, though left-wing media does do this as well).

According to BLM, all whites ARE racist......

 

If you can't make the connection between blacks committing a disproportionate amount of crime, and how the police react to that, then I don't know what to tell you. WHY they commit more crime is irrelevant in this context. The mere fact that they DO is the point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Black lives matter.... but, it seems, only when they are killed by police.

 

In the US, on average, cops kill about 200 blacks per year. Right around 500 whites are killed per year.

And there are four times as many white people as black in the US. Math tells us those numbers mean that you're roughly twice as likely to get killed by police if you're black. You tend to bring them up to suggest black people have nothing to complain about, but those same numbers tell the opposite story.

 

That's very true, however, when you take into consideration that blacks commit better than 50% of violent crime, though represent only 13% of the population, why would anyone be surprised that cops shoot them in disproportionate numbers?

 

 

 

no links - no suprises. colour me shocked.

 

Not like the FBI website, or DoD website, are hard to find........

 

Oh I know they exist, I want you, yes YOU to give me YOUR links. Not your interpretation of the links, the actual links themselves. You can't though, can you? I find that this is often the case.

 

Hokey doke.

 

according to this table, There were a little over 14,000 murders is 2018. (just an example year) More than half of them, were blacks. (being the victims) 7407..... but, they are only 13% of the population....

and on this table, it shows that of 2925 blacks killed, 234 of them were killed by whites. (less than 10%), 2600 of them were killed by blacks. (roughly 89%)(note: This is for 2016, can't find the table for 2018.)

Here, we have statistics on just who the police have killed for the last couple years. For 2018, (might just as well be consistent here.....) 399 were white, 209 were black. Total for 2018 is 996. So, blacks make up about 21% of that total. Considering they also commit more than 50% of murders, and robberies.... Table.

 

and not a single link - not one - stating anything to do with "marxism". here's another shocked face. go back and try again and substantiate your absolute gubbins.

 

That was covered in another post. I didn't see any real reason to duplicate the effort. I note you conveniently ignored that particular post.