Would it matter IF ...

[xrayy]

a policemen acting like a racist and withount empathy and and trumps semi-open racism is currently probably the only root cause why the blm complains and the reason for the great support for the movement. and this is a logical result of total fail of the trump administration or trump itself to handle this case.

if you say you do not dig any deeper (because you know already enough while you obviously not even scratched the surface) you act similar to any brain washed racist or right wing supporter just not interested to dig at least for the knowledge to be able to reach middle ground and to be able to debate on an adequate level.

so keep on spreading your fake arguments without a background. that is the the way you obviously want or need it - but to be clear - this is not a debate!

you are like trump - you can identify an elepant, you would beat biden in an iq test, and you already know all what it is important - in your opinion - but you still prefer to ignore what is really going on around you (i'm not digging deeper...).

what i do not understand: why do you say trump is an idiot if you act and argue like him? i cannot follow your logic. for a short time i hoped we can have a debate, but if you prefer to refuse to get the background for a debate because you have to "dig too deep" to reach the debate level i have to accept that.

[HeyYou]

LOLOLOLOLOL. Not THAT is funny. "It's Tumps fault."... Right, this has only been a problem for the last four years...... Seriously? Are you that blind?

 

I disagree with BLMs positions on causes.

I disagree with their proposed 'solutions'.

I disagree with multiple positions they take.

 

What more do I need to know about them, to know that I don't think what they are doing is in the best interests of anyone at all?

 

I am not the one ignoring what is "really" going on. BLM outright refuses to admit that black culture (mostly inner city folks here) bears any responsibility for how police perceive/react to blacks. So long as that remains the case, nothing is going to change.

[jjb54]

Again, I find it curious that we are ( on purpose?? ) ... IGNORING:

 

BLM - Has admitted to being a Marxist - Socialist Agenda Organization.

.. This is not disputed.

 

BLM - is a recognized TERRORIST organization.

.. This too is not even semi-sorta-kinda disputed, even by their founders / leaders.

 

Now we will add:

 

BLM is a RACIST organization that practices Racial Profiling.

.. See they say NOT ALL BLACK LIVES MATTER. Only certain ones. This is the basics of Racism.

.. But they also practice RACIAL PROFILING.

....> See only BLACKS killed in a certain way are "worthy" and "deserving" of their attention. The countless 100's of 1,000's that are not killed in the very laser focused - narrow view are NOT worthy and thus become 2nd rate / class people. RACIAL PROFILING -> You must be killed only in a very narrow and limited way. Period - Full Stop.

 

.. BLM - apparently does "NOT" condone "Murder" and yet .... their movement has indeed murdered human lives, human dreams, and injured ( sometimes beyond repair ) humans. And guess what, I'm talking what they have done to other BLACKS.

 

Now, the thing is I had a no small heated debate with a Black BLM supporter ... we will call him by his first name only: Gary. After I pointed out the above and Gary did his own homework .. he QUIT SUPPORTING BLM ... but he also now fears for his well being and rightly so.

[Guest deleted34304850]

Again, I find it curious that we are ( on purpose?? ) ... IGNORING:

 

BLM - Has admitted to being a Marxist - Socialist Agenda Organization.

.. This is not disputed.

 

BLM - is a recognized TERRORIST organization.

.. This too is not even semi-sorta-kinda disputed, even by their founders / leaders.

 

Now we will add:

 

BLM is a RACIST organization that practices Racial Profiling.

.. See they say NOT ALL BLACK LIVES MATTER. Only certain ones. This is the basics of Racism.

.. But they also practice RACIAL PROFILING.

....> See only BLACKS killed in a certain way are "worthy" and "deserving" of their attention. The countless 100's of 1,000's that are not killed in the very laser focused - narrow view are NOT worthy and thus become 2nd rate / class people. RACIAL PROFILING -> You must be killed only in a very narrow and limited way. Period - Full Stop.

 

.. BLM - apparently does "NOT" condone "Murder" and yet .... their movement has indeed murdered human lives, human dreams, and injured ( sometimes beyond repair ) humans. And guess what, I'm talking what they have done to other BLACKS.

 

Now, the thing is I had a no small heated debate with a Black BLM supporter ... we will call him by his first name only: Gary. After I pointed out the above and Gary did his own homework .. he QUIT SUPPORTING BLM ... but he also now fears for his well being and rightly so.

another question for you, what do you get out of making up groundless, barefaced lies? feel free to ignore it as you've ignored all the other questions.

[jjb54]

 

Again, I find it curious that we are ( on purpose?? ) ... IGNORING:

 

BLM - Has admitted to being a Marxist - Socialist Agenda Organization.

.. This is not disputed.

 

BLM - is a recognized TERRORIST organization.

.. This too is not even semi-sorta-kinda disputed, even by their founders / leaders.

 

Now we will add:

 

BLM is a RACIST organization that practices Racial Profiling.

.. See they say NOT ALL BLACK LIVES MATTER. Only certain ones. This is the basics of Racism.

.. But they also practice RACIAL PROFILING.

....> See only BLACKS killed in a certain way are "worthy" and "deserving" of their attention. The countless 100's of 1,000's that are not killed in the very laser focused - narrow view are NOT worthy and thus become 2nd rate / class people. RACIAL PROFILING -> You must be killed only in a very narrow and limited way. Period - Full Stop.

 

.. BLM - apparently does "NOT" condone "Murder" and yet .... their movement has indeed murdered human lives, human dreams, and injured ( sometimes beyond repair ) humans. And guess what, I'm talking what they have done to other BLACKS.

 

Now, the thing is I had a no small heated debate with a Black BLM supporter ... we will call him by his first name only: Gary. After I pointed out the above and Gary did his own homework .. he QUIT SUPPORTING BLM ... but he also now fears for his well being and rightly so.

another question for you, what do you get out of making up groundless, barefaced lies? feel free to ignore it as you've ignored all the other questions.

 

 

 

Please tell me which one of my points is and I quote... " .. groundless, barefaced lie? .. "

 

Please let me know and I will gladly supply ample evidence, even from BLM founders own lips ...

[Shadowheart328]

Alright let me do it then jjb54.

BLM - Has admitted to being a Marxist - Socialist Agenda Organization.

.. This is not disputed.

 

No. BLM the Movement hasn't admitted to being Marxist, just some of the co-founders. BLM as a movement is fluid, it's not even a true organization so to speak. The leaders could be from any part of political compass, and it wouldn't matter. Instead of looking at individuals in the movement and then ascribing that person's beliefs to be that of the entire movement, instead look at the movement's goals and actions. Nothing that BLM has stated in their goals, or what they are fighting for is actually Marxist. In fact some if it as expressly the opposite.

Here is a fact-checking website coming to the conclusion that calling BLM Marxist is basically a method of smearing it, and trying to label it as something it isn't. A common right-wing talking point.

Like you keep calling them a Marxist organization like you know what it means, but can't give a definition without copy pasting it from a dictionary. Methinks you are just fear-mongering or are a victim of fear-mongering. Instead of just calling them Marxist, why don't you provide examples of them doing Marxist things. Just pasting that video of one of the individuals in the movement (leader or no) saying she is Marxist isn't proof that the movement is.

Let me quote what a professor at Westminister said about the whole labeling them Marxist thing:

 

"I am fairly convinced these are mostly attempts to smear anti-racist activists. I think in some media, ‘Marxist’ is dog-whistle for something horrible, like ‘Nazi’, and thus enables to delegitimize/dehumanize them," Miriyam Aouragh, a lecturer at the London-based Westminster School of Media and Communication, told PolitiFact.

Black Lives Matter "is not an organization, but a fluid movement; it doesn’t actually matter if one of its founders was a liberal, Marxist, socialist or capitalist."

 

 

 

Black Lives Matter’s "emphatic support for gender identity politics sets it apart from historical Marxism," and the goals listed on its website "do not appear to be expressly anti-capitalist, which would arguably be a Marxist identifier," Berman added.

 

So in short, while some of the leaders may be Marxist and maybe the movement did indeed start as such, movements evolve over time and basically as of now their are so many different members and viewpoints in the movement that is now fluid. It doesn't ascribe to any particular political viewpoint, instead trying to further a goal of equality for African Americans.

BLM - is a recognized TERRORIST organization.

.. This too is not even semi-sorta-kinda disputed, even by their founders / leaders.

 

Except they aren't. Anywhere. I already linked to the list of domestic and foreign terrorist groups before. I won't link it again. But in short. No. This is not a thing, and is only parroted by Fox News correspondents and far-right journalists with an express Bias of making BLM look bad. No government/military agency recognizes them as such. I'm not sure who or where you got that information, but they are seriously misinforming you.

Your whole other point has already been addressed to death here, you just keep repeating it over and over again. They are not a racist organization. Apparently pointing out racial bias and profiling against an minority group is apparently racist in your view. BLM does not practice racial profiling, what? You keep saying this s#*!, but don't provide any evidence of it, and then when we provide evidence to the contrary, you just repeat this drivel as though it's done and set thing.

If you actually paid any attention to the movement outside of the lens of biased right-wing media. You'd know that even though they are only focusing on racial injustice, because, yeah. We still have racial bias and systematic racism in our Law Enforcement/Justice System and that needs to change. However, a lot of their ideals and goals will actually help lower crime in poor areas by implementing funding for schools, work programs, and helping keep people who have been incarcerated get work and stay off the streets. Still it's already been pointed out in this thread multiple times, that blaming black on black crime (as though white on white crime isn't a statistic or similar in percentage) as though it's the reason cops are brutal and racist to black people is a dumb argument and just serves to shift the blame away from the clearly racist laws and systems in place in our criminal justice/enforcement system.

I'm not even going to address your story at the end because that means nothing and adds nothing to conversation other then to "flex".

[Shadowheart328]

LOLOLOLOLOL. Not THAT is funny. "It's Tumps fault."... Right, this has only been a problem for the last four years...... Seriously? Are you that blind?

 

I disagree with BLMs positions on causes.

I disagree with their proposed 'solutions'.

I disagree with multiple positions they take.

 

What more do I need to know about them, to know that I don't think what they are doing is in the best interests of anyone at all?

 

I am not the one ignoring what is "really" going on. BLM outright refuses to admit that black culture (mostly inner city folks here) bears any responsibility for how police perceive/react to blacks. So long as that remains the case, nothing is going to change.

Yes this has been happening since black people were brought over as slaves. Why do you think we are fighting so hard for change. And while it isn't Trumps fault, his policy changes and rhetoric has emboldened White Supremacy in America and in the last 4 years we've seen definite increases in crimes against minorities/immigrants. So while he didn't start it, he's definitely helped spread the fear-mongering about minorities/immigrants and has been a boon for racists and those with racial bias/bigotry since he's been in office.

 

You keep saying you disagree with stuff that BLM stands for and their solutions. So tell me what exactly do you disagree with? Because as far as what they do and stand for is concerned it's:

 

[calling] for decarceration in the United States, reparations for slavery in the United States, an end to mass surveillance, investment in public education, not incarceration, and community control of the police: empowering residents in communities of color to hire and fire police officers and issue subpoenas, decide disciplinary consequences and exercise control over city funding of police.

 

 

What more do I need to know about them, to know that I don't think what they are doing is in the best interests of anyone at all?

 

I'd start with basically anything? Because as far as I can tell, you haven't done much actual research into what BLM does or stands for. It sounds more like you got you information from biased sources and then formed your own opinions off of that. Or have your own opinions already and aren't willing to look further into what they stand for. Because everything they are calling for will help everyone because what affects black people affects white people (particularly poor whites) as well.

 

BLM outright refuses to admit that black culture (mostly inner city folks here) bears any responsibility for how police perceive/react to blacks. So long as that remains the case, nothing is going to change.

 

Alright. I'm sorry HeyYou, but this is some racist bull. You don't know anything about are culture yet you act like you do. No. You don't know anything about black culture, just what the media portrays black people as. We don't glorify killing, violence, and hurting cops. Do we have prejudices against them? Yes. And valid ones too. But do we tell our kids or people to go out and kill, hurt, or injure cops? No.

 

I feel like all you are talking about rap music. But most rap doesn't glorify violence, it talks about violence. And makes you no more violent that playing violent video games makes you more likely to perform school shootings. If you have the opinion that because black people listen to rap about violence and poverty, and sex, and drugs (also common in rock btw) that the culture is one of violence and thus deserving of their mistreatment by police; then you should hold the same opinion that playing violent video games makes you a violent person and more likely to commit crimes. It's just a deflection tactic to take the conversation away from racist systems that are still in place.

[HeyYou]

 

LOLOLOLOLOL. Not THAT is funny. "It's Tumps fault."... Right, this has only been a problem for the last four years...... Seriously? Are you that blind?

 

I disagree with BLMs positions on causes.

I disagree with their proposed 'solutions'.

I disagree with multiple positions they take.

 

What more do I need to know about them, to know that I don't think what they are doing is in the best interests of anyone at all?

 

I am not the one ignoring what is "really" going on. BLM outright refuses to admit that black culture (mostly inner city folks here) bears any responsibility for how police perceive/react to blacks. So long as that remains the case, nothing is going to change.

Yes this has been happening since black people were brought over as slaves. Why do you think we are fighting so hard for change. And while it isn't Trumps fault, his policy changes and rhetoric has emboldened White Supremacy in America and in the last 4 years we've seen definite increases in crimes against minorities/immigrants. So while he didn't start it, he's definitely helped spread the fear-mongering about minorities/immigrants and has been a boon for racists and those with racial bias/bigotry since he's been in office.

 

You keep saying you disagree with stuff that BLM stands for and their solutions. So tell me what exactly do you disagree with? Because as far as what they do and stand for is concerned it's:

 

[calling] for decarceration in the United States, reparations for slavery in the United States, an end to mass surveillance, investment in public education, not incarceration, and community control of the police: empowering residents in communities of color to hire and fire police officers and issue subpoenas, decide disciplinary consequences and exercise control over city funding of police.

 

 

What more do I need to know about them, to know that I don't think what they are doing is in the best interests of anyone at all?

 

I'd start with basically anything? Because as far as I can tell, you haven't done much actual research into what BLM does or stands for. It sounds more like you got you information from biased sources and then formed your own opinions off of that. Or have your own opinions already and aren't willing to look further into what they stand for. Because everything they are calling for will help everyone because what affects black people affects white people (particularly poor whites) as well.

 

BLM outright refuses to admit that black culture (mostly inner city folks here) bears any responsibility for how police perceive/react to blacks. So long as that remains the case, nothing is going to change.

 

Alright. I'm sorry HeyYou, but this is some racist bull. You don't know anything about are culture yet you act like you do. No. You don't know anything about black culture, just what the media portrays black people as. We don't glorify killing, violence, and hurting cops. Do we have prejudices against them? Yes. And valid ones too. But do we tell our kids or people to go out and kill, hurt, or injure cops? No.

 

I feel like all you are talking about rap music. But most rap doesn't glorify violence, it talks about violence. And makes you no more violent that playing violent video games makes you more likely to perform school shootings. If you have the opinion that because black people listen to rap about violence and poverty, and sex, and drugs (also common in rock btw) that the culture is one of violence and thus deserving of their mistreatment by police; then you should hold the same opinion that playing violent video games makes you a violent person and more likely to commit crimes. It's just a deflection tactic to take the conversation away from racist systems that are still in place.

 

*snicker*

 

Yep, accuse me of anything you like, you aren't going to change my mind. No amount of research is going to change my mind. I recognize BS when I see/read it, and you are passing a fair bit of it. I have no doubt you completely believe everything you are saying, which is why I am not going to bother engaging with you further. I have stated my opinions/positions, you have stated yours. We don't agree. We aren't going to agree.

 

I HAVE done my research, and continue to do so. No matter how much you may wish to claim that I am simply 'uneducated', that simply is not the case.

 

So, you have fun. Good Luck. But, I still don't support BLM, nor will I.

[xrayy]

*snicker*

 

Yep, accuse me of anything you like, you aren't going to change my mind. No amount of research is going to change my mind. I recognize BS when I see/read it, and you are passing a fair bit of it. I have no doubt you completely believe everything you are saying, which is why I am not going to bother engaging with you further. I have stated my opinions/positions, you have stated yours. We don't agree. We aren't going to agree.

 

I HAVE done my research, and continue to do so. No matter how much you may wish to claim that I am simply 'uneducated', that simply is not the case.

 

So, you have fun. Good Luck. But, I still don't support BLM, nor will I.

 

nobody accuses you. you just try to play the role of a victim. your try of a self implied accusement does not change that and it doesn't work.

you tried the whole time to raise a fake debate with contextless or disfigured fragments together with another member while you (and the other menber) were never open or able for a debate.

thank you for admitting that your were never open for a debate and that you prefer to continue with your limited background. so feel free to spread your disfigured and mostly contextless stuff. nobody as a nexus member can stop you here just the staff may do. but it should be now clear that you do not seriously try to debate but more to destroy the debate with unreflected fragments of information without even trying or interested to dig for a balanced background and to use it to exchange arguments. if people think they are or behave like god or act if they know already all (while showing the opposite) a serious debate is impossible.

 

just watch the pattern of a "non" debate in the topic Chinese Virus - How serious? it is the same like in this thread in and will sooner or later end in the same way because this is a debate forum and not a " i spread all my fake or fragmented info as a fact while ignoring others" forum.

[HeyYou]

 

*snicker*

 

Yep, accuse me of anything you like, you aren't going to change my mind. No amount of research is going to change my mind. I recognize BS when I see/read it, and you are passing a fair bit of it. I have no doubt you completely believe everything you are saying, which is why I am not going to bother engaging with you further. I have stated my opinions/positions, you have stated yours. We don't agree. We aren't going to agree.

 

I HAVE done my research, and continue to do so. No matter how much you may wish to claim that I am simply 'uneducated', that simply is not the case.

 

So, you have fun. Good Luck. But, I still don't support BLM, nor will I.

 

nobody accuses you. you just try to play the role of a victim. your try of a self implied accusement does not change that and it doesn't work.

you tried the whole time to raise a fake debate with contextless or disfigured fragments together with another member while you (and the other menber) were never open or able for a debate.

thank you for admitting that your were never open for a debate and that you prefer to continue with your limited background. so feel free to spread your disfigured and mostly contextless stuff. nobody as a nexus member can stop you here just the staff may do. but it should be now clear that you do not seriously try to debate but more to destroy the debate with unreflected fragments of information without even trying or interested to dig for a balanced background and to use it to exchange arguments. if people think they are or behave like god or act if they know already all (while showing the opposite) a serious debate is impossible.

 

just watch the pattern of a "non" debate in the topic Chinese Virus - How serious? it is the same like in this thread in and will sooner or later end in the same way because this is a debate forum and not a " i spread all my fake or fragmented info as a fact while ignoring others" forum.

 

Play the victim??????? Say What??? Where in hades did you get THAT from?

 

Are you purposely misunderstanding/misinterpreting what I type?? That is the only way I can think of that you would come to some of the conclusions that you put down here.......