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But anyways ... speaking of democracy and how to fix it.   Albeit I know this is ageism.

 

We need to have a fractional vote system.  With only say ,,, 40 to 50 year olds cast a 1.0 vote.

With 18ish only a .5 vote ... and 80ish a .5 vote  ... the fraction rising from 18 and declining from 50.

That way we don't have people done for this world having to much sway in the vote , Nor naivety having to much power.  If they ever chose to mobilize it.

 

Just a thought ... thought I would mention to see what others thought.



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What's that bull$hit? :laugh: :pinch:

 

To avoid rigged elections all the parties should automatically receive the same financing so the corrupted b*tches who serve the bosses aren't advantaged.



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No two people perceive the same event the same way, so two different people can have completely contradictory or polar accounts of the same event.  Experience is always colored by ones own biases, beliefs and perceptions and are seldom viewed objectively.

I knew a man who immigrated to Canada from Serbia.  He talked often of his life in the former Communist Yugoslavia.  He spoke of hard times, but also of good times.  Many shortages of things we take for granted.  He reminisced of smuggling gasoline across the Romanian border, and having the border closed and vehicles searched by troops.  I got the impression that in hindsight he enjoyed every minute of it - the exciting times of a young man.

 

He also spoke of having a job that didn't require much work.  "No one worked very hard, not even the bosses, and no one cared."  Which was why I suppose they didn't have a lot of the things we take for granted.  He had money, he had food, he had a place to live, and he had the pursuit of women, and for him this was a good life.  He never spoke of a lack of freedom or individuality, for in the context of his own life he had these things.  Not political freedom, not a vote or a voice in the government of his country, but still the freedom to live his life, which for him I suspect was enough.

 

When he immigrated to Canada after the breakup of Yugoslavia, it was not for freedom or the opportunity to live in a democratic country for which he left his beloved Serbia.  It was to escape the war which he feared his son would have to fight in.  So though he came to the free world for a better life for his son, it was not for freedom.

 

When asked: Why Canada and not America?  He answered "because they bombed my country and killed my people and I will hate them forever."  Blood matters, it trumps almost everything.

 

He was only one man, not every man.  He had his own perspective on the world and his place in it.  No one can speak for everyone.  There are as many different perspectives on our world as there are people living in it.

 

This man had to become a smuggler to survive. How is this positive for any society? Yes, he made a good life of himself by smuggling and perhaps doing other things that he didn't or couldn't tell you. Basically, under those regimes, all people have to live off contraband and stolen state-owned property.
 
I agree that everyone has their own perspective and the experience may be different in each case, but if we focus on facts and statistics, communism and socialism always lead to the corruption of the entire society and, in the end, the only way that find the communist to stay in power is violence. The larger the state becomes, the greater the corruption.
 
Our "social justice warrior" may diminish my own experience with communism and socialism, but it cannot deny the long road of failure and death that the communist and socialist regimes have left behind. It is in books too, bt they simply not interested in that part of the story. It is a pity that our left-wing teachers in schools do not show the true face of these regimes and all of the genocide. Thanks to that, we have a group of 30-year-old "social justice warriors" blogging from home while their 60-years old parents still work to support them instead of having more entrepreneurs and businessmen that make a real contribution to society.
 
"Wealth is created, not distributed."
"Madness is doing the same thing over and over again hoping to get different results."

Edited by AmaccurzerO, 15 May 2020 - 10:41 PM.


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@AmaccurzerO:

 

Yeah, Communist regimes force people to smuggle, just like people in countries on which the USA put an economic embargo.  Iran cannot build its own refineries because the needed technology is denied to them.  Iran and other countries cannot get medical machinery for the same reason.  So, sure, things get smuggled into the country. The whole Iraq invasion was for America to get back control over the oil smuggling routes which were aquired by Saddam Hussein.  Smuggled oil gets a much higher return and smuggling oil is one of the main economic activities in the region.

 

Generally, smuggling isn't done to get otherwise unavailable products but to avoid paying the enormous taxes imposed by 'democratic' regimes.  Best examples are tobacco and alcohol.  Belgium, Holland, Germany, France, England, Scotland, Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand all had Socialist leaders/regimes for decades.  No genocides and a failure rate equivalent to other political parties.  America replaced every single democratically elected president in South America with a dictator.  Pinochet, Stroessner, Videla and so on, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths and missing, all thanks to America's view on freedom and democracy.  The Iran-Contragate debacle was all about smuggling weapons into Iran to get the US Embassy workers out.  So, yeah, smuggling is something that happens, but it's not something that is typical for communist regimes.

 

Just like Communism, smuggling or smuggler got a bad name because it's what the 'democratic' state wanted.  People who don't pay taxes must be vilified, even when those taxes are unconstitutional.

 

Then there's the smuggling of products that have been deemed illegal.  Cocaine, Heroin, Opium, even canabis.  All extracts from plants that at one point were fully legal to use until a way was needed to clear 'subversives' like Timothy Leary from society.  That's why some drugs were declared illegal overnight.  Not because they were deemed dangerous but because it was a means to an end.  And Noriega was put in place in Panama by the USA.

 

Why do you think Afghanistan was so important to the USA?  Because it was and still is the region with the highest percentage of White Poppies, used to make opium.  Why was Laos and Cambodja so important.  To set-up drug routes directly from the source.  So, again, yeah, smuggling happens.  And it's only seen as a crime when it's not done by the government.

 

The mob was only able to get so much power thanks to prohibition and the smuggling of booze.  If I didn't know any better, I'd think the prohibition was executed solely with that purpose; to make the mob big.  The only reason Fidel Castro needed to go was because the mob and US high society lost their gambling holes.



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@AmaccurzerO:

 

Yeah, Communist regimes force people to smuggle, just like people in countries on which the USA put an economic embargo.  Iran cannot build its own refineries because the needed technology is denied to them.  Iran and other countries cannot get medical machinery for the same reason.  So, sure, things get smuggled into the country. The whole Iraq invasion was for America to get back control over the oil smuggling routes which were aquired by Saddam Hussein.  Smuggled oil gets a much higher return and smuggling oil is one of the main economic activities in the region.

 

Generally, smuggling isn't done to get otherwise unavailable products but to avoid paying the enormous taxes imposed by 'democratic' regimes.  Best examples are tobacco and alcohol.  Belgium, Holland, Germany, France, England, Scotland, Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand all had Socialist leaders/regimes for decades.  No genocides and a failure rate equivalent to other political parties.  America replaced every single democratically elected president in South America with a dictator.  Pinochet, Stroessner, Videla and so on, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths and missing, all thanks to America's view on freedom and democracy.  The Iran-Contragate debacle was all about smuggling weapons into Iran to get the US Embassy workers out.  So, yeah, smuggling is something that happens, but it's not something that is typical for communist regimes.

 

Just like Communism, smuggling or smuggler got a bad name because it's what the 'democratic' state wanted.  People who don't pay taxes must be vilified, even when those taxes are unconstitutional.

 

Then there's the smuggling of products that have been deemed illegal.  Cocaine, Heroin, Opium, even canabis.  All extracts from plants that at one point were fully legal to use until a way was needed to clear 'subversives' like Timothy Leary from society.  That's why some drugs were declared illegal overnight.  Not because they were deemed dangerous but because it was a means to an end.  And Noriega was put in place in Panama by the USA.

 

Why do you think Afghanistan was so important to the USA?  Because it was and still is the region with the highest percentage of White Poppies, used to make opium.  Why was Laos and Cambodja so important.  To set-up drug routes directly from the source.  So, again, yeah, smuggling happens.  And it's only seen as a crime when it's not done by the government.

 

The mob was only able to get so much power thanks to prohibition and the smuggling of booze.  If I didn't know any better, I'd think the prohibition was executed solely with that purpose; to make the mob big.  The only reason Fidel Castro needed to go was because the mob and US high society lost their gambling holes.

Hello, JimmyRjump:

 

To start, I am not from USA. I agree and disagree at some points but that is part of a debate.

 

But, In which way USA has anything to do with the millions killed by Pol Pot, Mao zedong, Lenin, Stalin and all those infamous communist equalitarian leaders who fought for the "people"? Remember the Holodomor and Tiananmen. Whenever USA did something wrong, The old Soviet Union and China did it worst. If we have a lot of guerrillas in America Latina today that kidnap kids to turn them into guerrilleros, that controls the narcotraffic and kill and place bombs is thank to the influence of the old Soviet Union and Fidel Castro's dictatorship, who, for years  has supported and trained all these guerrilleros to gain the hegemony over the region. All world powers fight for the hegemony, but what we should care is what our own leaders in our own countries do to us. USA is not the one who rapes my rights. My own left-winger president (dictator), that who talks about equality, that who critizie the rich and lives like one, that who expropiates, that does not respect or forbide the private property, that who forbide the freedom of expresion, is who rapes my rights, tie my hands, jail my people and, at the end, blames the USA of our all disgrace. And it works. Look at you. I am so tired hearing of the same justification. I had friends who had to smuggle to survive. Most of them live now in democratic countries. Some work, some have their own business. Non of them feel pride of what they had to do. All say that the day when democracy returns to our country, they will comeback to rebuild it. 

 

BTW, Jorge  Rafael Videla, was a secretly allied of Fidel Castro. And, do you know that Fidel Castro's family live like millionares while cubans live in the misery? I guess the embargo does not affects them. It seems the embargo only affects the rest of the population. What a funny fact? Lies and more lies. Justifications and more jsutifications. 

 

I dont justifiy or suport whatever USA does to win the world hegemony. But deny or ignore that communist powers will do the same if they could(and will do it worse as History proves it) is to be a usefool fool for their cause, like Carolina Cox.

 

Good day, JimmyRjump.


Edited by AmaccurzerO, 16 May 2020 - 11:27 AM.


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I could have taken you for an American due to your lack of historical knowledge, but I didn't.  I was just pointing out that the USA contributed as much to global misery as Communism supposedly did.  Hitler was able to rise to power thanks to funding by the U.K. and the USA.  That so many people were killed in concentration camps was also thanks to the USA for delivering the chemicals needed to produce Zyklon-B (the cyanide cristals that turn into gas when coming in contact with water).

 

Fidel Castro turned to communism because he wanted nothing to do with imperialistic America, who kept all wealth for themselves (not only from the many casinos but from the sugar plantations as well) and that Videla was a friend of Castro changes nothing to the fact he was helped into the saddle by the USA.

 

Indochina, Indonesia, Vietnam, The Philipines all had leaders helped to power by The USA, just like the Taliban were a result of America meddling with local politics.  And just like so many before you, you mistake Comminism as an ideology with what was used from the ideas for political gain by Lenin, Stalin, Mao and the likes.

 

The US constitution begins with "All men are born equal", which could also be the beginning of a communist manifest, only, in the Communist idea, all men also stay equal.

 

You have a lot of reading to do about the influence of Germany and later, France, the U.K. and the USA in the East and North Africa and the ensuing war with the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1914.  A conflict that really started in 1894 in South Africa.

 

There's Communism and then there's Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Trotskism, Marxism and so on.  The former is an ideology, the latter are political movements thanks to which Communism got a bad rep.  There's nothing wrong with treating all people as equals and working in solidarity towards a common goal, namely the betterment of the people's living circumstances, health and happiness.  If that is something that should be called 'bad' then there's something wrong with all of you.



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But, communism DOESN'T improve everyones living circumstances...... Of course, neither does capitalism......



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I could have taken you for an American due to your lack of historical knowledge, but I didn't.  I was just pointing out that the USA contributed as much to global misery as Communism supposedly did.  Hitler was able to rise to power thanks to funding by the U.K. and the USA.  That so many people were killed in concentration camps was also thanks to the USA for delivering the chemicals needed to produce Zyklon-B (the cyanide cristals that turn into gas when coming in contact with water).

 

Fidel Castro turned to communism because he wanted nothing to do with imperialistic America, who kept all wealth for themselves (not only from the many casinos but from the sugar plantations as well) and that Videla was a friend of Castro changes nothing to the fact he was helped into the saddle by the USA.

 

Indochina, Indonesia, Vietnam, The Philipines all had leaders helped to power by The USA, just like the Taliban were a result of America meddling with local politics.  And just like so many before you, you mistake Comminism as an ideology with what was used from the ideas for political gain by Lenin, Stalin, Mao and the likes.

 

The US constitution begins with "All men are born equal", which could also be the beginning of a communist manifest, only, in the Communist idea, all men also stay equal.

 

You have a lot of reading to do about the influence of Germany and later, France, the U.K. and the USA in the East and North Africa and the ensuing war with the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1914.  A conflict that really started in 1894 in South Africa.

 

There's Communism and then there's Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Trotskism, Marxism and so on.  The former is an ideology, the latter are political movements thanks to which Communism got a bad rep.  There's nothing wrong with treating all people as equals and working in solidarity towards a common goal, namely the betterment of the people's living circumstances, health and happiness.  If that is something that should be called 'bad' then there's something wrong with all of you.

 

Ok your talking nonsense on so many fronts its hard to know where to start. But lets take the zyklon B statement , those chemicals used to make zyklon B are just generic chemicals if mixed in a certain way will produce zyklon B , they were shipped to Germany pre war and when they were shipped there was no such thing as zyklon B because the Germans were still experimenting with how to make it. So if it didn't exist or the Americans didn't know of the German efforts to make it (German State secret no doubt because it would be breaking treaties on production of chemical weapons) , so exactly how is it the Americans would be guilty of something they couldn't of known of.

 

What your doing is retroactively viewing history and conflating some things that may be true (like the existence of zyklon b) with a conjecture that the Americans are somehow responsible for it because they shipped the base chemicals used to make zyklon b . That's nonsense.



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Americans ... who are the Americans ?

 

A subjective input that can lead to varried out put.

 

Who feels and may encompass "American"   is  [email protected]?

 

Keeping a static output can have stitching Affects ...,..;)



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I could have taken you for an American due to your lack of historical knowledge, but I didn't.  I was just pointing out that the USA contributed as much to global misery as Communism supposedly did.

As communism supposedly did? Suposedly? Seriously? If you want to believe so, I repect your opinion, but data does not play in your favor.

 

And take me for an American due my lack of knowledge?  Understimate people because of their nationalty is stupid. You remind me off that persons that think that we, all Latinoamericans, are brainless indians. Dude, I dont know where are you from, but get off your pedestal. Knowledge without common sense is useless. 

 

Men do not want to be equal and to force equality is against our nature. Plus the ones who forces us to be equal does not apply this doctrine to themselves.

 

As George Orwell said: All animals are equals, but some animals are more equals than others. 

 

A free insteresting data to save in your hard drive: Castro took all the plantations, hotels and other business for himself, forbid private property, forbid freedom of speech and died millionare while cubans lay in poverty.  If Is that the equality for you, then there is something wrong with you.


Edited by AmaccurzerO, 16 May 2020 - 11:12 PM.





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