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Are your kidding? I am no ancient tactitian, hello, even if I am a few years longer here on the Nexus than you. And my name is everything but Tyrtaios or Homer. Be so kind to read first before you post humbug. Thanks.

:thumbsup: MHM Thanks for listening, SilverDNA And Tangerine Dream (or Kraftwerk, to mention just another group) is always a good choice :yes: Radio Cockroach-Free Wasteland on 88.3 MHz - where the drum beats roll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6unDcYBQSpQ Take your protein pills, boys http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gif

Thanks for listening, grannywils :thumbsup: Well, guess MHM has sniffled in the comments on my About Me page - the image shows me Radio Cockroach-Free Wasteland on 88.3 MHz - where the drum beats roll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuCZ0a3zu2k image mine http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

Personal habits are open to debate elsewhere, as you might remember, Vagrant0 Thus I'm surprised, thought it would be an easy-to-understand message; however, I'll offer the reverse: Cowardice of rookies in battle is one of the typical causes of their death aready in the baptism of fire. NB The greatest losses in battle those units have to face that are on the run. All this is e.g. clearly stated by all ancient tacticians (two of them I've quoted), who btw had a life long war experience. To reject their fundamental knowledge for modern military history by means of whatever, especially if one has no own combat experience at all, is thus not to be taken seriously; actually it's a bad joke. So, if I'd have to choose with whom I have to share a fresh shell-hole I'd always vote for a veteran. A rookie is a heavy, often deadly load. Take your protein pills, boys http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gif

Marginal note Well, grannywils et al., I'm hardly an ideologist or missionary with a universal message, not even an active homo politicus, more likely an observing profiler (that's why I love RPGs) with a certain repertoire of own roles and an understanding of the role of others. Moreover, after more than a decade online I really don't expect a consensus on the internet where from the very beginning on almost everybody is already convienced by the own perceptions and preconceptions (if it's no 'help me' or how-to thread). Sad but true. And that's why I easily back out of circular discussions. At the moment I'm somewhat unsure what the actual intention of the thread might be or will be within a short time. I'll thus restrict myself on reading what you have to say, at least for a while. Keep it up. http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

Karl Marx's classification scheme following Feuerbach et al. laying aside, the literal Latin meaning (!) of the root word is not to be questioned, neither by you nor by me nor by anyone else. However, I'm pleased to meet a homo sociologicus here. So, should you ever introduce the theories of Popper, Dahrendorf or the Frankfurt School around Horkheimer, Habermas and Adorno... drop me a line. Have a good one! :thumbsup: http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

We're no longer living in the days of the Paris Commune 1871 and that's why the proletariat [literally 'those who have (nothing but) children'] of today is the 'class' (an ambiguous term btw ) of the workless and no longer that of the workers. A paradigm shift of an old terminology. Have fun! http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

In war the chief incalculable is the human will. _ E. H. Liddell Hart Should be clear that a rookie (suicide activists are an exception) usually has no own will except one: To reverse and to run away in the terror of battle, offering his back, a tempting mark for the spear from behind. _ Tyrtaios 11.17-18 The skin of the coward changes colour one way and another and the heart inside him has no control to make him sit steady, but he shifts his weight from one foot to another, then settles firmly on both feet, and the heart inside his chest pounds violent as he thinks of the death spirits, and his teeth chatter together. _ Homer, Iliad 13.279-83 Not to have been a coward in the past, to be still alive, that's one of the criteria that makes out a veteran. A certain weapon might be a fetish at the homefront, but that's absolutely no guarantee for survival at war. Take your protein pills, boys http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gif

Thanks for listening, SilverDNA __________________________ The rhythm of the Kitāb 'alf layla wa-layla (Book of Arabian Nights) Radio Cockroach-Free Wasteland on 88.3 MHz - where the drum beats roll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Caa-3l1R2U image mine http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

Marginal note Actually verifiable user insights (different from individual impressions) in the special case of Bethesda are predominantly a function of dwelling time here on the Nexus and the Bethesda forum. So it was e.g. already clear in 2002/3 what's up with the AI in Morrowind. That's nothing new. Sorry to say but the statement “the times a game is downloaded is no indication of popularity nor enjoyment of the game” is everything but serious cos the absolute download times of a mod or modlet are the sales and only that is the marker of popularity. No sales thus prove the absolute lack of it - unpopularity, the bankrupt in visible trade. That’s one of the basic principles in economy and not to be questioned, neither here nor elsewhere! Right MonsterHunterMaster, but it's always a matter of be invested time and necessary effort... So, the way is again open for an animated discussion of AI beyond the sphere of our main interest - viz gaming. Thanks for your patience, Vagrant0 et al. Have fun! :thumbsup: http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

It's already late here, so I've to answer in brief without being able to go into the details. Sorry. The existential error quote of the AI is up to nil; thus the advantage is always on the side of the machine. Regarding the minority of masochists that doubtlessly need a high set bar I'd like to point to the a larger faction - the winner types that always run with an unspoken hurray into the terror of the battle expecting quite automatically an enemy that acts as expected, i.e. that is unable to seize the important initiative in the conflict, holding the ground and that knows of no stratagems at all, for these players haven't yet experienced the opposite, being overpowered was always sufficient (and a god mod does nicely as well). They need a lower set bar not to become acid. NB The AI development of the TES and Fallout series seem to stagnate on the level of 2002 imo. - the AI is as dumb as ever. Guess I've set the bar just slightly too high for the kids in 2003, for otherwise the high download rate is not to be explained. 3:00 a.m. See ya! http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

To a certain degree of probability human reactions (and actions) are likewise preprogrammed, Before we try out new combi-ways to find a solution for a new problem ( e.g. a hostile environment) we at first uncoil the standard and the individual empiric repertoire. That means for gaming, the more intelligent the maker is the more intelligent the AI can be set up within the frame given by the repective 'language'. On the other hand, the lower the intelligence of the average player is the lower has the bar to be set up. And that's already stage one of the adventure, the world of scripting. @Vagrant0 The result of the too high set bar was ambivalent: extremely high D/L rate and almost more negative than positive criticism, as already mentioned above - the young apparently outnumbered all others in the gaming scene 2002-2006. http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

Actually such an AI-system as I've mentioned merely forces the player party to review the own strategy and tactics - to operate more carefully in the terrain. Consequently the faction of people who liked it belonged, as far as my experience goes, predominantly to the generation of the 20-50 year-old (who could take a defeat from time to time more easily). Negative criticism came almost exclusively from the younger players who, for example, called it ridiculous that archers directly start with a retreat (the 'running away') whenever the player group tries to enter the close range (to initiate a close combat), or, when it by chance appears to be impossible to keep the player group constantly at bowshot distance, change their weaponry from bow to sword for example, always supported in battle by 'even more nervous' mages in the rear with emphasis on healing - to mention just a very simple basic scenario without any advanced nasty trigger effects or attack / defense preferences related to the skill composition of the respective player group. The key is to tell the program not to react as usually expected and to choose the most effective variant 'to stay alive', i.e. to win. That's kinetic Darwinism, the survival of the fittest or something ^^ http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

Radio Cockroach-Free Wasteland on 88.3 MHz - where the drum beats roll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sopLHwlKgA4 Jan Akkerman's riff rulez http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

Rock stuff by De Beers http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

Sorry, for me your argumentation sounds somewhat helpless old-fashioned. Perhaps rowing against the mainstream gives you a good feeling, who knows. Or it's just patriotism. Be it. We have already reached an endless loop where nothing new is to say. We should let it go at that!

I can only argue for games: When the AI appears to be more intelligent than the average user, e.g. in combat - that's too far, cos PCs outmaneuvered by NPCs (esp. in online RPGs) is the last adventure the user would ever hope for. Although it's really a funny big-game hunting, at least for the maker :laugh:

The Internet is the most important single development in the history of human communication since the invention of call waiting. _ Dave Barry

You have to prove it in real life, not here :thumbsup: Actually a gamer / non-gamer relationship isn't a big problem, as long as the gamer doesn't sit mummified in front of the keyboard, the face directed to the screen with a total of just a few spoken sentences per day :wacko: For those who feel heavily disturbed whenever the partner asks a question or somethin' it is almost too late :devil:

Even Dwarfs Started Small - Elven saying

You guys have just to give up the figment of the imagination of women as pure sex objects, ready for submission, or you will end up in the realm of mama. Try it out :)

No mixture with odd stuff is possible, for we're not living in the 19th century when everybody cooked his own national soup. The worldwide networked trend always goes to more comfort and speed, thus harmonization of the systems, esp. in the multilateral interaction, and two parallel systems just for the glorification of a provincialism are everything but comfortable, modern and fast for the consumer. What you need are metric inter-sizes in clothing. That's all. Think it over.

Thanks for listening, grannywils _________________________ Radio Cockroach-Free Wasteland on 88.3 MHz - where the drum beats roll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3g0MljQOv8 (image mine) http://www.abload.de/img/anne9hol.gifinside

We here in the Netherlands would go to the next local Coffee-Shop to get hallucinations. The freak behind the counter - he's likewise a shaman ^^ UFO down! Or take-off ! That depends on the dose...