Ukrainian War: Prelude to Worse?

[Mktavish]

 

Would be nice if the republicans could run a candidate that would actually have a chance of winning.....

 

 

You mean like Liz Cheney :D ?

[Deleted141907363User]

“Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?”
― Abraham Lincoln

We did a pretty poor job and we broke the balance of powers rule many times. Putin is a consequence of our own failures.

The very reason we had peace after WW2 and avoided the Cold War escalating was this balance.

We reap what we sow but others pay the price for it. For now...

Maybe we'll get smarter in the aftermath.

Edited April 16, 2022 by Guest

[xrayy]

 

“Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?”

― Abraham Lincoln

blah blah...

put it in the right context so that everyone can understand. that was what putin could have easily done before the 24th of february. but he is not on a level with lincoln or any other great leader. putin is not an enemy he is a plague like lukaschenko with his whole autocracy.

[Deleted141907363User]

Yeah i didn't expect anything better.

 

Your whole opinion on the matter is based on Mainstream Media Reports from not just one side of the War but a very specific side with a specific Geopolitical Strategy and goal. Not to mention all the Suppressed Information. You are all just focusing on how bad Putin and his policy is which even a 10 year old child can see anyway.

 

Not the source of the problem. The source of the problem lies within the Foundations of our Political and Economical System.

Those idiots you all believe and elect play the game of Left - Right/ Republicans - Democrats for decades. In the entire Western World.

Meanwhile they continously feed the same Corrupt and Arrogant Greedy ''Dying System'' which is the very source of the War itself.

 

This is why the Cold War Era was resurrected from the dead and why WW3 is inevitable.

Then those who survive it will have all the time to meditate on humanitys failure and write a library of books about it. Wasted years...

[Mktavish]

 

Yeah i didn't expect anything better.

 

Well maybe your expectations are part of the problem ?

 

But I have to say ... your words this time seem to have more thought in them.

Albeit ... it might be my view point ? Errr I mean maybe your words didnt change , just my viewpoint ?

Anyways I just wanted to say I liked what you said ..................... keep it up ; )

[Mktavish]

 

 

“Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?”

― Abraham Lincoln

blah blah...

put it in the right context so that everyone can understand. that was what putin could have easily done before the 24th of february. but he is not on a level with lincoln or any other great leader. putin is not an enemy he is a plague like lukaschenko with his whole autocracy.

 

 

What is your motivation for posting ?

[Mktavish]

[xrayy]

Yeah i didn't expect anything better.

 

Your whole opinion on the matter is based on Mainstream Media Reports from not just one side of the War but a very specific side with a specific Geopolitical Strategy and goal. Not to mention all the Suppressed Information. You are all just focusing on how bad Putin and his policy is which even a 10 year old child can see anyway.

 

Not the source of the problem. The source of the problem lies within the Foundations of our Political and Economical System.

Those idiots you all believe and elect play the game of Left - Right/ Republicans - Democrats for decades. In the entire Western World.

Meanwhile they continously feed the same Corrupt and Arrogant Greedy ''Dying System'' which is the very source of the War itself.

 

This is why the Cold War Era was resurrected from the dead and why WW3 is inevitable.

Then those who survive it will have all the time to meditate on humanitys failure and write a library of books about it. Wasted years...

 

if you call and devalue the posted links as "mainstream media" instead of understanding and arguing pro or against them we better end this exchange of arguments here. seems you are not interested in exchange but posting just your highly questionable agenda. seems you still try to find arguments for putins war since it is clear that putin and no one else - except some of his KGB-friends if they still exist - is the force behind it. ok sure there are many russians who seem to arrange with this obvious simply brutal and reckless neo-expansive, cold war like autocracy. the consequence is that many intellectual oriented people just flee out of russia if they can. a free mind has more opportunities than a suppressed or dead one.

 

if ww3 is inevitable it is because of a crazy, isolated and lonely man in russia. thank you for opening my eyes that there still exist so many people like you still supporting aggressive autocrats and their systems, tumpists, and other weird people spreading conspiracy. it is not a joy to experience that but it is reality.

 

that does not mean a democracy is a perfect system with perfect leaders. trump is the best example for leader who undermined democracy and he was very close to destroy it fundamentally.

 

the tragedy is that most simple minded people are even not aware if they've already lost their individual freedom (like before ww2). seems they favour to feel the brutal consequences when it is already too late to chose. i'm sure the same will happen before ww3.

 

there is one thing i've learned in some weird nexusmods (mature?) debates: trolls are everywhere and you can not get rid of them by feeding them. so this debate ends for me here.

 

@ mktavish - i really like BTO and i hope at least you understand your own sometimes weird statements and questions.

 

 

 

 

[Mktavish]

 

Yeah i didn't expect anything better.

 

Your whole opinion on the matter is based on Mainstream Media Reports from not just one side of the War but a very specific side with a specific Geopolitical Strategy and goal. Not to mention all the Suppressed Information. You are all just focusing on how bad Putin and his policy is which even a 10 year old child can see anyway.

 

Not the source of the problem. The source of the problem lies within the Foundations of our Political and Economical System.

Those idiots you all believe and elect play the game of Left - Right/ Republicans - Democrats for decades. In the entire Western World.

Meanwhile they continously feed the same Corrupt and Arrogant Greedy ''Dying System'' which is the very source of the War itself.

 

This is why the Cold War Era was resurrected from the dead and why WW3 is inevitable.

Then those who survive it will have all the time to meditate on humanitys failure and write a library of books about it. Wasted years...

 

if you call and devalue the posted links as "mainstream media"

 

Ya the MSM claim is way over used ... and has a lot of baked in meaning. Which seems just to be a trigger point , like calling someone a Nazi.

So I myself , even though I feel triggered by it , just try to ignore it . Cuz at this point I'm not really sure that those that use it really know in specifics what they are meaning to imply ?

 

if ww3 is inevitable it is because of a crazy, isolated and lonely man in russia. thank you for opening my eyes that there still exist so many people like you still supporting aggressive autocrats and their systems, tumpists, and other weird people spreading conspiracy. it is not a joy to experience that but it is reality.

 

I don't think mz2022 is in support of Putin . Just that as a military person , they are not feeling the call of duty so to speak for the current state of leadership they are under ?

And i think you got their Lincoln quote meaning mixed up ? It was not comparing Lincoln and Putin , but saying our current leadership should be more like Lincoln ... and therefore maybe Putin wouldn't be a problem ? As far as a tRump supporter , not really imperative to speculate that at this juncture imo .

 

that does not mean a democracy is a perfect system with perfect leaders. trump is the best example for leader who undermined democracy and he was very close to destroy it fundamentally.

 

And you know what the answer is to fix the specter of tRump getting re-elected ? We register as republicans and independents for the primaries :laugh:

But I was serious about the Liz Cheney comment ... I would vote for her.

 

 

there is one thing i've learned in some weird nexusmods (mature?) debates: trolls are everywhere and you can not get rid of them by feeding them. so this debate ends for me here.

 

How can you use the troll label in a debate thread ? That's more for threads that are not suppose to be debate-ish , and some one wants to turn it into a debate.

But I think it is over used and baked into something else like the MSM claim ... IMHO

 

@ mktavish - i really like BTO and i hope at least you understand your own sometimes weird statements and questions.

 

Oh definitely sOme Times :teehee:

 

 

 

 

 

[Oblivionaddicted]

In a democracy the psychopaths which includes the imperialist criminals would never usurp the power because the human beings would know how to recognize them. The medias would be independent like the justice and the corrupt servants of the capital would not be advantaged because all the parties would have the same financing and none wouldn't cumulate any power. Unfortunately the human beings are too stupid and/or contemptible to build democracy hence the semi-dictatorships in western Europe and the USA for example.

 

And putin is not that isolated, it is supported by China and more or less by our leaders that trade with it and adopted the sanctions to keep a good image with the electors.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Oblivionaddicted