why do I have to say this? custom install dirs are not an "expert" feature, period

[GeneralJanet]

we are already as "expert" as you can get when it comes to computers since we are modders now. while the program install may only be a couple hundred MB sadly with the trend of m.2 ssd's that are under 100gb as a boot drive there are very many reasons to place most programs(if not literally all) on an internal D: drive that is NOT your boot drive
my stepdad got a 32gb yes 32 boot drive on a netbook and they got away with it because they pre-installed and then dism'ed over from a larger setup but windows couldn't update without like 10gb more than the drive could EVER have free
hence there literally should be no program in existence that is hardcoded to the C: drive as there are situations where 100-500mb is a critical amount of space let alone an ssd should NEVER be filled over 50-90% as it breaks wear leveling by forcing the limited writes before it makes sense
please just delete the hardcoded installer as it makes no sense when we have to waste 100-500mb of our precious write endurance for a program that never needs that much speed as all the files are already on other drives most of the time
the trend toward games that literally break from a few ms of drive lag is just frankly unacceptable due to the cost per gb of SSD storage and the trend toward games that can't fit on most affordable ssd's (sub 500gb models) I literally have a single game that is 300gb and if I had a 240gb ssd as I would have bought for my first affordable ssd I literally could not install that game by itself on an empty drive
so yeah boot-only installers should just die as an ssd is not required for non-game software and the latency of a symlink is worse than a native second drive install
I really don't understand why I must point this out that most gamers are not buying 2-10tb of ssd storage they are buying maybe 1tb of ssd and then ALSO buying the extra 4-8tb in MULTIPLE HDD drives as only in competitive MMO games is the need for that extra drive speed even necessary unless arbitrarily enforced

/tangent_start

I used HDD's most of my life and only ever realized a cache drive in windows(readyboost) helped years later
in fact readyboost does a wonderful job of making your pc feel like it is all-ssd after it boots up
it does take longer to reboot as readyboost is not kernel level but it basically eliminates drive thrashing for common programs as long as you don't hit pagefile hard and games on the d-z drives also get a cache
just make sure you format as exfat/ntfs(exfat is best for flash drives as ntfs journals cause many writes) and then you can dedicate up to 32gb instead of just 4gb
it is like having 32gb x number of drives worth of ssd in an sshd hybrid and that makes a difference
it even works for non-boot drives so snap up 4 of those 32gb sandisks on sale and readyboost into the SSHD FUTURE(ssd's will NEVER be full cost-parity with HDD's)
/tangent_end
/additional
oh and portable like full "store config in install subdir" mode is ALSO required as lots of us might have a laptop and an external games drive and can't seem to sync our mod installs as well as the saves that auto-sync with onedrive natively(mine is literally set that way)
I tried copy/paste using FFS and the RTS program of the stage+game dir but it breaks when doing that and move would take longer to deploy if more portable-stable with a lack of mobile editing of mods
just let me store EVERYTHING on the external drive without calling it "expert mode" as we already count as "experts" within this topic
you can even keep the default installer options using a common .msi format that asks for the install dir but auto-fills with a default
the "slick" design trend is worthless and no consumer actually cares about that if it removes features guys

[Pickysaurus]

I am not really sure what the point you were making here was. Vortex has a custom install location option on the download page. In the settings you can move the download and staging folders. You can configure it the way you like.

 

The AppData folder must stay on C:\ or rather, more accurately, it must stay where Windows stores data for Applications. It's only a handful of megabytes if you move the staging/download folders anyway.

[Guest deleted34304850]

we are already as "expert" as you can get when it comes to computers since we are modders now. while the program install may only be a couple hundred MB sadly with the trend of m.2 ssd's that are under 100gb as a boot drive there are very many reasons to place most programs(if not literally all) on an internal D: drive that is NOT your boot drive

my stepdad got a 32gb yes 32 boot drive on a netbook and they got away with it because they pre-installed and then dism'ed over from a larger setup but windows couldn't update without like 10gb more than the drive could EVER have free

hence there literally should be no program in existence that is hardcoded to the C: drive as there are situations where 100-500mb is a critical amount of space let alone an ssd should NEVER be filled over 50-90% as it breaks wear leveling by forcing the limited writes before it makes sense

please just delete the hardcoded installer as it makes no sense when we have to waste 100-500mb of our precious write endurance for a program that never needs that much speed as all the files are already on other drives most of the time

the trend toward games that literally break from a few ms of drive lag is just frankly unacceptable due to the cost per gb of SSD storage and the trend toward games that can't fit on most affordable ssd's (sub 500gb models) I literally have a single game that is 300gb and if I had a 240gb ssd as I would have bought for my first affordable ssd I literally could not install that game by itself on an empty drive

so yeah boot-only installers should just die as an ssd is not required for non-game software and the latency of a symlink is worse than a native second drive install

I really don't understand why I must point this out that most gamers are not buying 2-10tb of ssd storage they are buying maybe 1tb of ssd and then ALSO buying the extra 4-8tb in MULTIPLE HDD drives as only in competitive MMO games is the need for that extra drive speed even necessary unless arbitrarily enforced

/tangent_start

I used HDD's most of my life and only ever realized a cache drive in windows(readyboost) helped years later

in fact readyboost does a wonderful job of making your pc feel like it is all-ssd after it boots up

it does take longer to reboot as readyboost is not kernel level but it basically eliminates drive thrashing for common programs as long as you don't hit pagefile hard and games on the d-z drives also get a cache

just make sure you format as exfat/ntfs(exfat is best for flash drives as ntfs journals cause many writes) and then you can dedicate up to 32gb instead of just 4gb

it is like having 32gb x number of drives worth of ssd in an sshd hybrid and that makes a difference

it even works for non-boot drives so snap up 4 of those 32gb sandisks on sale and readyboost into the SSHD FUTURE(ssd's will NEVER be full cost-parity with HDD's)

/tangent_end

/additional

oh and portable like full "store config in install subdir" mode is ALSO required as lots of us might have a laptop and an external games drive and can't seem to sync our mod installs as well as the saves that auto-sync with onedrive natively(mine is literally set that way)

I tried copy/paste using FFS and the RTS program of the stage+game dir but it breaks when doing that and move would take longer to deploy if more portable-stable with a lack of mobile editing of mods

just let me store EVERYTHING on the external drive without calling it "expert mode" as we already count as "experts" within this topic

you can even keep the default installer options using a common .msi format that asks for the install dir but auto-fills with a default

the "slick" design trend is worthless and no consumer actually cares about that if it removes features guys

why do you have to say this? i asked myself the same question.

cut to the chase - what are your issues with vortex?

[Malevolution]

It's pretty ridiculous that changing the installation directory requires a completely separate installer. This is unprecedented in my three dozen years of using computers, and dozen years of working in software development.

But then again, the Vortex installer also complains about the program being given too many permissions.

I've never seen that before, either.

[showler]

Vortex is a program that allows you to put community created content onto your computer. It should have restricted permissions.

[Malevolution]

Vortex is a program that allows you to put community created content onto your computer. It should have restricted permissions.

 

I respect your opinion but it's irrelevant; the issue is that the program states to the user that it may (I'm going to lean heavily toward will) have issues because it's given administrative permissions.

[Pickysaurus]

I'm locking this thread. Malevolution please don't hijack additional threads to continue repeating your opinions on admin permissions.