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[lefttounge]

1 hour ago, MuteSignals said:

Well that's surprising. It's usually the most requested mod request I get in my DM's. Players wanting their outfits edited to remove the shoes. Don't worry guys who've asked me, I won't expose you!

Modder Confidentiality (though admins can read your private messages, behave!)

On a serious note, fallout 4 should've been made with modular outfits, as it was in oblivion. It just doesnt work for fo4 to only have basically suits you wear as outfits instead of you know, shoes, boots, shirt, and all of that.  It's so satisfying to see a modular bodyslide outfit

[Guest deleted34304850]

2 hours ago, showler said:

I'm actually really disappointed with the Nexus Staff on this.   Multiple times in the past they've made a necessary business decision (totally understandable, no problem with this) only to have things turn into a circus because of their poor communication regarding what decisions had been made, why and how things were going to progress.  Multiple times they've admitted to the poor communication and promised to examine their processes and "do better next time".  But this is yet another "next time" and they still aren't doing better.  They've promised a news article detailing changes and future plans, but we're almost two weeks since the forums went live again and the article still isn't here.  That article should have been ready the day the forums came back, even if it needed to be further updated as things changed.

A forum thread that is supposed to be about feedback on the new forums shouldn't be full of people saying "what's happening?  What's this? Where's that? Why's this so weird? Why does this even exist? Why doesn't that exist?" without some place to point them for answers.

no sarcasm here at all - ever since the new forums went live - i think you have done a bang up job of community support, assistance, and been generally positive and helpful, to almost every person who has come in and been left confused, saddened and disheartened by the new forum implementation.

[LenaWolfBravil]

40 minutes ago, showler said:

Real Name was removed for privacy/security reasons.

Nonsense. No one put actual full names there. How's "Jimmy" a security leak? Rather, it was what people wanted to be called instead of a blahblah1234456 handle thing. Not everyone managed to come up with a handle name that was both human readable and unused.

[showler]

14 minutes ago, LenaWolfBravil said:

Nonsense. No one put actual full names there

You have no idea if that is true or not.

 

Edited December 2, 2023 by showler
Add link to Pickysaurus' previous answer.

[LenaWolfBravil]

30 minutes ago, showler said:

You have no idea if that is true or not.

Very well, let me rephrase: I have never seen any actual real names in that field. I have only seen common short names that could never be a security leak.

Ultimately, it's up to Nexus Mods, of course. But these questions and speculations do arise, and like you said yourself, we really need a decent article from them explaining the status, the intent and the immediate plans. Background for the decisions would be nice too, just for a human touch.

[puddlepond]

1 hour ago, showler said:

You have no idea if that is true or not.

i actually do know if that's true or not considering i have literally never ever seen anyone use their full legal name in the "real name" box. neither have you. that's not even the concern stated in the admin comment you linked so i don't know why you're doubling down like it is.

the admin comment you linked is ultimately fairly reasonable though. it makes sense that they'd be wary of storing potential PII in the way that they were when such information could just as easily go in someone's bio. it truly is a sign of dogshit communication when you need an apparent volunteer community manager to fetch disparate admin comments in random help threads for just a hint of why basic site functionality has been removed. as much as i think you're a little too eager to defend the company you're an invaluable asset to this thread as the actual admin response has been embarrassing.

Edited December 2, 2023 by puddlepond

[showler]

You don't know.  You have your experience.  There's 45 million members.  Your experience is miniscule.

In the thread I linked to the OP literally wondered why their real name had been removed.  Seems like it couldn't have been removed without it being there in the first place.  And since PII has to actually be real information that is personally identifiable, it appears it was a concern to Black Tree as well since they decided to remove it.

Also, notably, this happened three months ago, not during the forum update.  So it doesn't seem like it sent a bunch of people into screaming fits...apparently most just didn't even notice.

Also, notably, the weekend is when the Nexus Staff have time off work and also when I have time off work.  It makes sense that they wouldn't be posting here (their job) when I am (my unhealthy hobby).

[puddlepond]

you keep acting like there was previously this huge (or at least noteworthy) contingent of users with their government names on their nexusmods profile when 1) that isn't the stated reason for the removal of the "real name" box and 2) you don't know that there was any more than i know that there wasn't. in fact, you have less evidence that there were enough users with full legal names in that box to pose a genuine concern than i do that there wasn't, given that my evidence is several years on this site and having never once seen someone use their full legal name (besides a scant few "big names" in their respective scenes whose real names were also available on their artstations and twitters and such who shouldn't have been a concern in any case), and yours is "uh, enough people must've, or else this thing i made up wouldn't be true."

i was trying to be kind in my first comment but i feel like i'm genuinely going insane reading your replies. like... you said (paraphrasing) that "the real name box was removed due to privacy / security concerns", lenawolfbravil replied "no one is using their full names in that field", to which you replied "you don't know that they weren't." as far as i understand lenawolfbravil misunderstood your point about "privacy / security concerns" as even common first names could be considered PII and, as i said, it makes sense that nexusmods would be wary of storing such information in the way that they were, and - i cannot stress this enough - it'd be fine if you just said that. that's what the admin response you linked said. i don't know why you doubled down on the idea that there was a sizable number of users with their full legal names in the "real name" box. there wasn't. you are the only person making that claim.

your claim that "this happened three months ago, not during the forum update" directly contradicts the admin response you linked, which reads "this field was removed between 4-7 September" [...] "we are in the process of upgrading this forum to the latest version of Invision Community". the OP of that thread's complaint wasn't solely that their real name (that being whatever they typed into the relevant field, not necessarily their legal first and last names) had been erased, it was that the "real name" field itself was no longer displayed on nexus profiles, a claim that zanderat confirmed. the OP of that thread is not your smoking gun proving without a shadow of a doubt that people were using their full legal names in the provided field, and even if it turned out that they were it wouldn't mean anything.

you seem to greatly overestimate what PII actually includes. PII can be your favourite colour. it can be your first name. the idea that the "real name" field was removed due to concerns over PII does not conflict with the reality of everyone only ever using it for their first name. we agree. the "real name" box was removed due to privacy / security concerns regarding PII. we agree.

[showler]

1 hour ago, puddlepond said:

you keep acting like there was previously this huge (or at least noteworthy) contingent of users with their government names on their nexusmods profile ...

your claim that "this happened three months ago, not during the forum update" directly contradicts the admin response you linked, which reads "this field was removed between 4-7 September"

First, find one place where I said a sizeable number were doing it.  I disagreed with the claim that "no one" was doing it.  In both my response to them and to you.  Legally, even one person is too many for Black Tree to continue holding that information.

Second, "4-7 September" is 2 months and 25 to 28 days ago.  Please forgive me for rounding that to three months.

edit: and, oops, I forgot to mention that your "several years on this site" is pretty meaningless considering I've been here for more than twenty years at this point if you include the two previous sites that eventually became Nexus Mods.   And even I wouldn't claim to have looked at 45 million user profiles.