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5 hours ago, jmharris said:

They are reading this, and reddit, and discord, and polls feedback. There have been replies from various staff on all those channels. There will be continued comms on this I am quite sure.

No one at NexusMods has said 40% is more than 60%, that's nonsensical. 😃

Desktop is the focus, as that's where most of the usage comes from. Mobile users account for 40% of the site usage, and so they are also accounted for.

All of the phone users, however, are very likely also desktop users (primarily). So, it is better to say that of all the desktop users, 40% are also using the phone.  It is not a 60-40 ratio.  It is 100% Nexus users using desktop, of which 40% also use the phone.

I agree using the phone is a lot better now, coming from being absolutely atrocious before this change.  However, comparing the 2, it is pretty clear that the desktop UI forums has taken on an odd/poor space usage to completely accommodate the phone, which, as a result, now looks pretty good (the phone) without the bunched-up clutter it once suffered.  Also, to accommodate phones, a lot of empty space has been added greatly benefiting phone presentation, but at the expense of the desktop UI that now looks like an UI that isn't quite finished and polished.  The 3 column forums where the communications section occupies only 40% of the space on the page with the right and left mostly blank black is a glaring example of this.  Humongous user avatars hanging out in the black column void as if they are lost in space--and they are.

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5 hours ago, jmharris said:

You must know something I don't! 🤣

In reality the hotjar powered polls which ran during and after the beta were available to all site users. However once the quota is used up then the poll is no longer available. This of course means only limited conclusions can be drawn from the results, and we are not blind to that.

I've been using ad-blockers for years so I didn't even have a chance to see that there was a poll. Wouldn't it be better to have a week-long (and without limit of overall votes, but one vote per user) poll on discord and put links to it in pinned messages on reddit and the forum? That way there's a better chance that people will actually have a chance to vote and so your data would be more accurate.

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I want everyone to think long and hard about the last time company surveys actually disproved the companies time, money, and effort they have already invested into something.
Has it ever happened?
Surveys such as jm are citing do not exist for them to tune things so we like them better, they exist to be pointed at to gaslight users into swallowing something huge and vile enough that it should have been a suppository. They are disingenuous from their very inception. They don't exist to show a truth, but to become a weapon against users.

Has a company ever said: "The surveys indicate we were wrong, and the millions of bucks we spent on this feature turns out to have been wasted. We'll roll it back completely immediately."
No. LOL, no.

"there will be plenty of debriefing and discussion around the nature and volume of feedback received from each channel."
This is bunk. No need to continue citing third party surveys that most users never even saw because the host was an advertising agency. No need to carefully massage the "data" from dozens of disparate sources. Literally just post a binary poll on each main site, that isn't from a spammer/advertiser, and thus isn't blocked by 90% of users. A simple 2 axis chart with 2 values can't be abused by the team, so it will never happen.

A simple yes/no vote would have proven to everyone that the users didn't want this change, because the users do not like change. No one likes change at all unless something is already terrible. Unfortunately, people feel they have to earn their place in the team, so they force a change on the users because their art diploma is burning a hole in their pocket, and someone has to suffer for it.
So we get gaslit and lied to and forced to swallow this nonsense, because god forbid a website is not drab, grey, 40% blank spaces, and unusably hideous on both desktop and mobile.

Whatever theory the designers were being taught in school is clearly inhuman in practice; their teachers were probably Vogons.

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43 minutes ago, NexBeth said:

All of the phone users, however, are very likely also desktop users (primarily). So, it is better to say that of all the desktop users, 40% are also using the phone.  It is not a 60-40 ratio.  It is 100% Nexus users using desktop, of which 40% also use the phone.

^This, people are browsing on their mobiles till they get home or till they are ready to download. PC and mobile should both be considered but the site is for PC use.

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51 minutes ago, NexBeth said:

All of the phone users, however, are very likely also desktop users (primarily). So, it is better to say that of all the desktop users, 40% are also using the phone.  It is not a 60-40 ratio.  It is 100% Nexus users using desktop, of which 40% also use the phone.

This is pretty much it.  My wife's sharing a mod she found while we're winding down in bed for the night?  Using her phone.  Otherwise?  Using her desktop client where mods can actually be downloaded for the game.

 

This "mobile-friendly before desktop-friendly" push around the Internet the last decade and a half has been insane.  Especially for a modding site where the entire purpose is to download mods onto a desktop, going mobile friendly as your primary focus is genuinely ridiculous.

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55 minutes ago, LordRegal said:

This "mobile-friendly before desktop-friendly" push around the Internet the last decade and a half has been insane.  Especially for a modding site where the entire purpose is to download mods onto a desktop, going mobile friendly as your primary focus is genuinely ridiculous.

And all the effort and money invested in smartphone usability may be a waste, if you believe Mark Zukerberg (META).  He claims smartphones will soon be replaced by smart eyewear.  Wonder how the UI will adjust to accommodate that? 

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