Does time exsist?

[Surenas]

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That's is the meaning to MonsterHunterMaster's post, not only by flying in space, it's needed the 'ship' is flying near the light velocity, at relativistic values, BTW.

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Gosh - this is known as well as the common faking of the actual possibilities!

And you should already know the required acceleration time, eh?

We're still living in a present scenario and not in a long yearned for hypothesis...

[hoshi23]

Does time exist? Dont be fooled.

 

Gotta love it. :biggrin:

[Maharg67]

I have more questions than answers!

 

Is time really linear and is the future totally unknowable, the past totally fixed?

 

Time should not be mixed up with the recording of time. Calanders have altered to fit changing conditions but have not always been accurate. At one time the hours of the day were made to fit daylight and darkness. Our recording of time is interwoven with cultural pressures and expectations, bio-rythms and other factors. We do not have an objective perception of time except various classes of professionals who need to have at least some objectivity (scientists, navigators, etc.)

 

Are we mixing up time with change. Everything changes or at least seems to. If nothing changed at all, how could we begin to perceive time? How could we truly exist?

[hoshi23]

Simply embrace change in you and the rest will come by itself.

 

Dont depend on externals as such.

[Surenas]

The eternal youth that knows of no change ... until the beards turn grey and the hair gets lost :teehee:

Actually we're not talking about changes, but defined events between the points A and B of an open or closed interval - a move appears. That's time... and those who come to late probably miss the train.

 

http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_unknownauthor_lady.gif The Ultimate Face

[hoshi23]

Any depression? Then you have not understood time.

 

Understanding time goes via the whole body.

[nosisab]

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That's is the meaning to MonsterHunterMaster's post, not only by flying in space, it's needed the 'ship' is flying near the light velocity, at relativistic values, BTW.

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Gosh - this is known as well as the common faking of the actual possibilities!

And you should already know the required acceleration time, eh?

We're still living in a present scenario and not in a long yearned for hypothesis...

Sorry, I believe that should not become a scientific dispute and should not expected demonstrations here. Those physical equations are not arbitrary, they are reached from others in lower levels. Many previsions from the general relativity were proven by observations... but that is another history.

 

The restrict relativity does not uses or needs new concepts, for instance, it may be observed from the day by day life. One significant experience that shows things are different for different observers is a very common and repeatable one:

 

a person in a moving train that lets fall an orange by the window will see it fall in a straight line and he will be correct, another observer in a stationary platform will see the orange fall in a curved line and he is correct. To physics both are correct too and to the orange it does not matter at all, it will hit the ground in the due time, whatever measure unity we use to calculate the passed interval.

 

Time perception, to us, is a measure between events, whatever information we do not get yet is future. To a car driver what is behind a curve obscured by a hill is a future event, he doesn't know if another car is coming toward him, to a helicopter pilot observing the scene from above there is no surprises there, his present is broader.

 

When we see the sun we are not actually seeing the sun but what it was 8 minutes ago approximately. If we see a phenomenon occurring in a star one light year distant from us, we indeed are seeing something that occurred long ago in the here and now of that star.

 

So you get the first picture, distance itself is not only a space property, it can be measured by time too, if you are a physics student you may know the formula for velocity is the derivative from the formula for distance and the formula for acceleration is the derivative from the formula for velocity , they have strict relation and can be obtained each to a certain instant if any of them is known. That can be translated by: distance is a function of the velocity by time and this represents a relation that maintains does not matter the unities we use to measure them.

 

Although that is good for the heyday it is not what is observed when distances and velocities and masses are big enough for their interrelations not being insignificant or just plainly immeasurable by our means. They proved not being disconnected, instead they react to changes one over another, the equilibrium must be kept, means to understand these interactions must be find and the results added to classical physics to take them into account.

 

That is not Newtonian physics becomes invalidated, it is enough to measure almost anything that affects our day by day, still some other, more complex physics is needed when treating with atomic level and cosmic level.

 

The real question is not if times exist, it's to know it is more than the unities of measure we use to calculate it's intervals. It's not an absolute value, although we can rely on the measurements for restricted and strongly limited ranges. To know if we are in the same wagon we share the same perspectives but we can't be sure they are better or even more correct than the perspectives of another observer under a different relationship.

 

PS: In the end, it's about not confounding time with our perception of it or with the unities we use to measure it. As Maharg67 pointed nicely.

[Christine777]

Hehehe.. here we are again... Do we exist?, Does Time exist?, and perhaps we might also ask: does this thread exist? How about if I may try to answer a big NO - It doesn't exist. Let's wait for a while what will happen ......................... (1 min waiting)......................

 

Experiment Done >>>

 

Result: >>> Robot concluded: time exist because you waited for 1 Minute....

 

Addendum >>> Please don't try to go against what is obviously there...

 

<<< End Transmission

 

 

 

As Chronos (in definition) = it is undeniably existing.

As Infinitum (in definition) = only an infinite entity (if there is one) can Onthologically decide for this.. (I'm sorry to say, no one among us here is qualified.)

[Pushkatu]

It does. When at work you watch the clock waiting for the freedom hour. :thumbsup:

[Trandoshan]

It does. When at work you watch the clock waiting for the freedom hour. :thumbsup:

Yes, the freedom hour seems to be the only time that 'exists' in my dimension. All other hours are not considered time, but are instead considered the 'Waiting Zone'. Cheers Push, you win the argument. :thumbsup: