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I don't begrudge you of your hopes that this would have all sorted itself in the end, but there has been some glossing over a pretty important fact: the Skyrim modding community has enjoyed free mods for over three years. Thinking that people won't be threatened by the the introduction of paid mods is rather naive in itself. Outside dynamics like what people ought paid for freelance commissions wouldn't really work because this situation is unique to this very established Skyrim modding community, where money wasn't even a factor unless you were trying to crowdfund a project or something. Call me cynical, but I don't even think that what people perceive as your paltry cut in mod earnings is something that bothers people, at least some of them. But it is one of the few things that most people can rally against on top of the other potential havok in introducing paid modding can do this community. Once people think their favourite modders have tried selling mods and liked the experience of it, there will be fear all of your subsequent and BEST work will be out of reach when it wasn't the case before.

Anyways, that's my take on it. This has been my first post about the paid mod situation since it started, so it might seem a little green around the edges.
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Passion, community, open-source, and altruism triumph over greed. What a lovely story.

 

I thank Dark0ne for his steadfast reasonable neutrality, if I ultimately disagreed with him, the modding community for standing up against the Great Workshop Paywall of 2015, and GabeN for being open to the voices of the community that made him so successful and revered. It was good to see you among the people in Reddit (I am not a user but appreciate that site nonetheless) answering our concerns, which were so many.

 

Valve and Bethesda... you done goofed. You two have been lights in the darkness of our current era of gaming and to see you take the path of the Paid DLCs broke my heart. Nonetheless, you have chosen to repent, and for that you have my thanks. Many companies would not do such a thing. I and many others will be watching your next choices closely, but I do believe that this was not an act of malice... rather an act of stupidity.

 

And to the modders who turned to the Paywall... you done goofed even more. Corporations are known to make short sighted decisions when they see a dollar as a matter of course and for them to take the long path is what earns them admiration. Individual humans, however, have a far greater bandwidth of ethics. Reading Chesko's story outraged me, because it was clear that all of you took a horrible deal. It is one thing to see monetary gain at the expense of an open source community that gave you praise and admiration for the joy you had coded, but it is another to do so for SO DIRT CHEAP. At least Occulus let itself be bought out despite ethical obligations to its Kickstarters at BILLIONS. You took a messily 25% cut, and a good portion of it from resources you didn't own. You set the worst precedent possible.

 

But yet, I also believe this too was an act of stupidity. In most cases. Some of you later on openly spited the community and joined after the fact.

 

No, you don't owe us the mods you create. Your creations are of your own free will, and you can add and remove them as you will. What you do owe us is basic respect, and by no means is that following the majority will. What that entails is considering what will hurt the community that has built you up... and not do it!!!

 

But yes, you have my forgiveness and I hope that of the others here as well in time.

 

Let us all come together to restitch this beautiful open source community of joy.

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Foster "My mods have been removed"

It is your right to take your marbles and run home, but if you would like to prove this isn't just a temper tantrum, and you want to stand by your convictions, then you should delete every free mod you have, and every resource you have benefited from which was provided to the community for free (such as SKSE, ENB etc.).
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That's just it. I don't consider it a case of two wrongs making anything.

The fact is, 25% is considered quite generous by a large community of folks who are making a living doing what they love. THEY still have that choice, even if it's only 5%. We don't.

Also, I didn't say EVERYONE was being a trollish pig about this. I think it should be kind of obvious that when someone says "trolls ruined this" they're talking about the ones who actually spoke up and were being trolls. We all know who they are. I'd even bet that most of them weren't even involved in the Skyrim community at all and just showed up to make trouble. I think we all know who THEY are too.

If it makes me a giant asshole for being mad that I no longer have the option due to people who had no business telling me I couldn't, then so be it.
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@phantompally76:

Totally agree, personally never had any issue with Arthmoor personally (though I have found that his "run for your lives" mod simply does not work for me) But I did have an issue with another "high profile" modder, well I say high profile but really the guy has only made 1 mod that is really popular and sits on a high horse acting like his mod is infallible.

I found a issue with with his mod where some npcs added were invisible and even found the ID's of the invisible npcs and provided them for him to take a look at and he refused to even respond to my posts. (he certainly had no issue responding to other peoples posts but mine, he couldn't be bothered)

And I ended up being stuck trading messages with some guy who essentially made it his life mission to sit in said mod authors mod thread and suck the guy's virtual dick, in fact when I first went to the mod thread to report the issue there was another guy who had reported the same issue and was getting abused being told that the issue is that he didn't know how to mod his game properly or that he had overloaded his load order and broke something or that his PC wasn't powerful enough.

Interesting that when I came to the guys defense with evidence that this wasn't an isolated incident and that something was broken in the mod they decided to clam up and ignore me. (Well at least I got them leave the guy who reported the issue before me alone.) Edited by ZeroSaber39
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Why are people making this a mod user vs. mod author fight? What about all the mod authors of very popular mods who flat out refuse to take money? Where do these men and women fit into your idea of why paid modding might not be a great idea?
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