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[Dark0ne]

In closing, I would like to suggest that -- rather than instantly banning someone that may be completely new to forum use in general -- why not make use of the lovely PM feature and perhaps give a firm warning?

 

I propose a counter-suggestion: before you post you actually read the terms of service, the red warning boxes and the extended pop-up with our rules that everyone has to click the "I agree" tickbox that quite clearly states you will be instantly banned if you don't act within the rules bounds. I found it smackingly hilarious you're accusing others of poor reading comprehension when it's your own lack of reading comprehension that has found you and your "fiancé" in this situation.

[Pushkatu]

Another one of these all-knowing people and one that has been here long enough to know better. It's funny how every time the moderators are the ones that they blame. I guess it's a lot more easy to blame others for not beeing fair, istead of admiting that you're having problems controling your feelings and emotions. Where does all that hate come from? Is that how you behave in society, is that the way you talk with your friends, with your family? I sure hope not. I can only feel sorry for such folks. It's clear to me that some people are just not meant to play video games or simply be part of something bigger than themselfs, like a community. Start an art class or something, it will calm you down, or try group terapy, might work to....

 

 

 

Cheers,

Pushkatu!

[Eiries]

I agree with about 90 percent of the above post but I have doubts about the above two sentences.

 

It is the author's prerogative to determine the statistics of those weapons. Giving them the benefit of doubt, I always assume that the author knows what he or she is doing, and the mod works properly on the system that was used to create it, and it was created to achieve a specific goal.

 

I don't disagree with you at all. The guy actually mentioned that some of the weapons had a 305+% crit ratio, which I would think meant he checked it in the GECK. Most people would simply tweak it to their liking and give the guy his well-earned endorsement. I won't deny that it seems the guy was looking for a flaw to complain about.

 

Nevertheless, I still consider it to be constructive criticism for the later people that may not be as informed to be able to open the GECK, and not outright trolling. The biggest part that bothered me about Naggert's posts were that he insisted on not endorsing the file due to that tiny crit ratio issue, which he was obviously capable enough of tweaking himself. Kind of a cruel way of dealing with things, but still, that's his decision, even if it does make him sound like a jerk.

 

Everyone posting that night was at least a little guilty, as they were all participating in a righteous flame war. It's just that charliemim here won the first-place award for the biggest troll on that thread.

 

Anyway, more than a couple moderators have come here since charlie's last post and have thoroughly crushed any hopes and dreams he had of producing a legitimate argument regarding his situation.

 

As far as I can see, this situation is a closed book, and once again, we can breathe a sigh of relief.

 

And Push... you always say the right thing at the right time. :happy:

[fearday92]

Wait, is constructive criticism "Do" or "Don't" I'm sorry if i seem like a noob (if that's what you call people who don't know what they're talking about in the "Nexus Forums") but i don't understand.

Can you please clarify.

 

Other then that thanks for the update for this thread.

[RustyBlade]

Constructive criticism begins with you should or you shouldn't or even better, you might want to or you might not want to... Do and Don't are absolutes, they give the impression that you are the sole authority which very few of us are. Would it be possible to or could you refrain from would be other alternatives. IMO

[TheCalliton]

Constructive criticism begins with you should or you shouldn't or even better, you might want to or you might not want to... Do and Don't are absolutes, they give the impression that you are the sole authority which very few of us are. Would it be possible to or could you refrain from would be other alternatives. IMO

 

 

............better idea...........opposing better idea

......... /..............\

......../..................\

....../.........^...........\

..../...synthesis.......\

thesis antithesis

 

that is the way things should work

i forget what worldview i got this from, but to go into detail would involve religion, so iwont do detail

Edited November 24, 2010 by TheCalliton

[LadyMilla]

 

............better idea...........opposing better idea

......... /..............\

......../..................\

....../.........^...........\

..../...synthesis.......\

thesis antithesis

 

that is the way things should work

i forget what worldview i got this from, but to go into detail would involve religion, so iwont do detail

 

Provided that 'better' is something that can be confirmed objectively.

 

I'd rather say:

 

------ Implementation method --------> Author's stated vision

 

Constructive criticism:

 

------ Improved implementation method ----> Author's stated vision

 

Remember, the authors create their mods according to their own expectations, and then they elect to SHARE them with the downloaders here. This means that the mod will probably not meet everybody's tastes. If the author creates an anime-style race and you don't like anime style races that's a subjective 'dislike', and saying that 'this is ugly' or 'this does not fit in with the lore', etc. is not constructive criticism - the mod was obviously meant for a different user group. Saying, however, that e.g. the race has issues using this or that in-game item, the animation is choppy (does not loop smoothly), the face texture is misaligned, the shape of the weapon scope is not correct/not like on the real-wold weapon that was modelled, there is a gap in the mesh, and so on IS constructive criticism.

[LHammonds]

The above post by LadyMilla is an excellent way of looking at it. I will further clarify a key difference:

 

Criticism:

 

"I don't like the AR-15 rifle"

 

Constructive Criticism:

 

"I don't like the AR-15 rifle because the barrel is much longer than any real-world barrel."

 

With criticism, you are just stating what you don't like...usually in such general terms that the author cannot make any effort to "fix" whatever it is you do not like about it. The absolute worst example is "I don't like this mod" which is just stating your opinion in general which does absolutely nothing other than proving that you have an opinion (and most-likely not able to back it up with solid reason).

 

So basically, anyone can criticize but it is fairly useless and tends to be considered flamebaiting which is not allowed. If you cannot think of a justification or suggestion to follow up with your criticism, then simply avoid posting it since it does nothing other than get yourself into trouble.

 

I might also add that if you comment, please let the author know what specifically you liked about the mod which helps the author know what NOT to change. General statements (positive or negative) don't tend to help that much.

 

LHammonds

[bben46]

Here's a direct hint from the Dale Carnegie "How to win Friends and Influence Enemies" book.

Always package your criticism between nice comments. Using Lon's example above

 

Hey, I really like your AR15 mod. It looks great. However, The barrel on the mod is just a bit longer than my real world rifle. If you could shorten it by just about 2 inches it would be about perfect. I have a pic. If you need it for a reference let me know. Looking forward to seeing it. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:

 

A comment like this will almost guarantee a quick fix because it makes the author feel good about himself for doing good work. It tells him exactly what will make it better, makes an offer to help if it is needed without being condescending and then it shows him that you actually are looking forward to seeing the change.

 

Like grandma used to say, "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar."

[Pitchguest]

The above post by LadyMilla is an excellent way of looking at it. I will further clarify a key difference:

 

Criticism:

 

"I don't like the AR-15 rifle"

 

Constructive Criticism:

 

"I don't like the AR-15 rifle because the barrel is much longer than any real-world barrel.

 

Your example of constructive criticism is not really all that constructive either, to be honest. Adding "and here's a picture for reference" would help a lot more. Bben46 got it right.