KiCHo666 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) In response to post #25771794. #25773209, #25777049, #25777159, #25780994, #25783964, #25785324, #25785509, #25785969, #25786804, #25788864, #25791754, #25792339, #25792669 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote KiCHo666 wrote: Please don't be dumbed down....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down...... Quote d81 wrote: If Skyrim is any indication I expect the worst...but still (idiotically) hope for the best. Quote Camonna Tong wrote: Quite a bit of the "dumbing down" had to do with the consoles, so it won't be as bad. Morrowind, which is my favorite, had the most dumbing down of them all. I've not had problems with most of the dumbing down. Stuff like the Classes being removed I agreed with. Post-Daggerfall classes had no real point besides affecting your level rate and how high your level can be. Quote jim_uk wrote: If it follows the Elder Scrolls pattern then each game will be dumber than the last with important stuff stripped out to make way for pointless fluff, hopefully mods can correct that. Quote Gopher wrote: @jim_uk I disagree. I don't think the TES games have been dumbed down at all. I have been playing since Daggerfall, and the only thing I would say is 'dumbed down' in Skyrim is the magic/enchanting system. I understand why they had to do that (and it had nothing to do with consoles), but I didn't like it. Quote Bloodinfested wrote: You could write a small novel on the amount of dumb down in TES so I wouldn’t get your hopes up bud accept reality... Quote jim_uk wrote: @Gopher You can't be serious? the rot started with Oblivion, that's when quests become nothing but follow the arrow and do what you're told, even then when you arrived at the generic cave that the arrow led you to you got a pop up telling you that you should go in, the game had a never ending tutorial. Fallout 3 was a little better but not by much, again it was a case of follow the arrow and do what you're told. Then there's Skyrim, a game where so much has been stripped away that the player is completely detached from the world, nothing you do matters, no one in the game cares about what's happening, you're once again following the arrow and doing what you're told, the game doesn't even have a proper journal to remind you of what you're following that arrow for, it's been replaced by a list that serves as nothing more than a way of changing which way the GPS arrow points.Bethesdas games have no meaningful choices, no consequences, quests work in complete isolation from each other making the world incoherent. Their standard of writing is nothing short of atrocious, this leads to dull stories and one dimensional NPCs who all seem to be suffering from various types of mental illness. Bethesda's games give the illusion of freedom when in reality there is none, the quests are no different to single player Call of Duty, you're not free to think for yourself, to make any choices in how any of it plays out, the only choice you have is do the quest now or do it later. Look at all the choices and paths New Vegas offers and then compare it to Fallout 3.As modding platforms Bethesdas titles are second to none, as RPGs they're garbage. Quote Natterforme wrote: I think its a little early to start the PC vs consoles trash talk. That horse has been beaten to death a million times over on the internet and serves no purpose here.:ets wait and see what this announcement actually is before we make assumptions of the future of Fallout.-Natterforme Quote jet4571 wrote: There is other dumbing down, skills and perks in Skyrim are not as robust as the previous titles. Then there's the whole outfit system that went from Oblivion allowing the player to mix and match top and bottom along with shoes, gloves, and hats to FO3's lack of choices that has continued to Skyrim. Quote falloutchad wrote: I am actually so anxious right now, So so worried they will change direction of what we the people want. All i want is basically a better version of FNV combined with Fo3 and Skyrim using the updated Gamebryo engine that Skyrim was on. And if they added co-op (big IF i know) that would be even better. But I'd really like to see an advance on skills and character progression, along with more in depth game play and narrative. And yes Gopher the games have become dumbed down because of consoles and yes they have/are being held back by consoles but yes IF Fo4 is mod-able then we modder's can fix the dumbness.I just really hope Fo4 isn't taking the "For casual gamers" route sooo many games are taking. Quote marthgun wrote: Since Morrowind i have felt the open world has gotten progressively smaller and less filled.mods can fix anything but a small map. I just hope they made it massive. We can fill the rest Quote KiCHo666 wrote: Well, mods can't add completely new skills, add weapon degradation (that is not clumsy), change any of hardcoded mechanics the game uses or add VATS if it's removed (hopefuly it's still there).Hate to be pessimistic, but I expect the worst. Quote haxbox wrote: Hey. Heard about one game. They call it "LIFE". P-fff. What a nonsenseP.S Really, games are not meant to imitate real life. Just to kill our time. Quote jim_uk wrote: @jet4571 Indeed http://i.imgur.com/xLgRoAt.pngMy prediction of next TES game. Edited June 3, 2015 by KiCHo666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethreon Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 You should spend some time in the twitch channel. It's crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlostnypopolnik Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 In response to post #25792234. Reveal hidden contents Quote MrDaedra01 wrote: Hope for a new engine, not the same old unstable crap please :(And also drivable car instead of having to walk or fast travel PLEASE STAND BY 17520:52:31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboUK Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Chris Avellone is a happy bunny. https://twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/605752450369200128 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboUK Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 In response to post #25771794. #25773209, #25777049, #25777159, #25780994, #25783964, #25785324, #25785509, #25785969, #25786804, #25788864, #25791754, #25792339, #25792669, #25793089 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote KiCHo666 wrote: Please don't be dumbed down....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down...... Quote d81 wrote: If Skyrim is any indication I expect the worst...but still (idiotically) hope for the best. Quote Camonna Tong wrote: Quite a bit of the "dumbing down" had to do with the consoles, so it won't be as bad. Morrowind, which is my favorite, had the most dumbing down of them all. I've not had problems with most of the dumbing down. Stuff like the Classes being removed I agreed with. Post-Daggerfall classes had no real point besides affecting your level rate and how high your level can be. Quote jim_uk wrote: If it follows the Elder Scrolls pattern then each game will be dumber than the last with important stuff stripped out to make way for pointless fluff, hopefully mods can correct that. Quote Gopher wrote: @jim_uk I disagree. I don't think the TES games have been dumbed down at all. I have been playing since Daggerfall, and the only thing I would say is 'dumbed down' in Skyrim is the magic/enchanting system. I understand why they had to do that (and it had nothing to do with consoles), but I didn't like it. Quote Bloodinfested wrote: You could write a small novel on the amount of dumb down in TES so I wouldn’t get your hopes up bud accept reality... Quote jim_uk wrote: @Gopher You can't be serious? the rot started with Oblivion, that's when quests become nothing but follow the arrow and do what you're told, even then when you arrived at the generic cave that the arrow led you to you got a pop up telling you that you should go in, the game had a never ending tutorial. Fallout 3 was a little better but not by much, again it was a case of follow the arrow and do what you're told. Then there's Skyrim, a game where so much has been stripped away that the player is completely detached from the world, nothing you do matters, no one in the game cares about what's happening, you're once again following the arrow and doing what you're told, the game doesn't even have a proper journal to remind you of what you're following that arrow for, it's been replaced by a list that serves as nothing more than a way of changing which way the GPS arrow points.Bethesdas games have no meaningful choices, no consequences, quests work in complete isolation from each other making the world incoherent. Their standard of writing is nothing short of atrocious, this leads to dull stories and one dimensional NPCs who all seem to be suffering from various types of mental illness. Bethesda's games give the illusion of freedom when in reality there is none, the quests are no different to single player Call of Duty, you're not free to think for yourself, to make any choices in how any of it plays out, the only choice you have is do the quest now or do it later. Look at all the choices and paths New Vegas offers and then compare it to Fallout 3.As modding platforms Bethesdas titles are second to none, as RPGs they're garbage. Quote Natterforme wrote: I think its a little early to start the PC vs consoles trash talk. That horse has been beaten to death a million times over on the internet and serves no purpose here.:ets wait and see what this announcement actually is before we make assumptions of the future of Fallout.-Natterforme Quote jet4571 wrote: There is other dumbing down, skills and perks in Skyrim are not as robust as the previous titles. Then there's the whole outfit system that went from Oblivion allowing the player to mix and match top and bottom along with shoes, gloves, and hats to FO3's lack of choices that has continued to Skyrim. Quote falloutchad wrote: I am actually so anxious right now, So so worried they will change direction of what we the people want. All i want is basically a better version of FNV combined with Fo3 and Skyrim using the updated Gamebryo engine that Skyrim was on. And if they added co-op (big IF i know) that would be even better. But I'd really like to see an advance on skills and character progression, along with more in depth game play and narrative. And yes Gopher the games have become dumbed down because of consoles and yes they have/are being held back by consoles but yes IF Fo4 is mod-able then we modder's can fix the dumbness.I just really hope Fo4 isn't taking the "For casual gamers" route sooo many games are taking. Quote marthgun wrote: Since Morrowind i have felt the open world has gotten progressively smaller and less filled.mods can fix anything but a small map. I just hope they made it massive. We can fill the rest Quote KiCHo666 wrote: Well, mods can't add completely new skills, add weapon degradation (that is not clumsy), change any of hardcoded mechanics the game uses or add VATS if it's removed (hopefuly it's still there).Hate to be pessimistic, but I expect the worst. Quote haxbox wrote: Hey. Heard about one game. They call it "LIFE". P-fff. What a nonsenseP.S Really, games are not meant to imitate real life. Just to kill our time. Quote jim_uk wrote: @jet4571 Indeed http://i.imgur.com/xLgRoAt.png Quote KiCHo666 wrote: My prediction of next TES game.And two spells, "Heal Me" and "Shiny Thing". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MortisVenunum Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 H- 3 :) fallout fallout ! never change ..it's best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enderverse Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 In response to post #25792234. #25793439 is also a reply to the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote MrDaedra01 wrote: Hope for a new engine, not the same old unstable crap please :(And also drivable car instead of having to walk or fast travel Quote zlostnypopolnik wrote: PLEASE STAND BY 17520:52:31Yes! A more stable engine would mean better support for more mods and more complex mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enderverse Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Can you imagine if they announced no support for mods? That would be absolutely terrible. Like the Battlefront details, but ten times worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohamed2001 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 https://twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/605871152687280131 Found this. Shame they are not working on it. But I guess they're busy with Armored Warfare and other projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodinfested Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 In response to post #25771794. #25773209, #25777049, #25777159, #25780994, #25783964, #25785324, #25785509, #25785969, #25786804, #25788864, #25791754, #25792339, #25792669, #25793089, #25793754 are all replies on the same post. Reveal hidden contents Quote KiCHo666 wrote: Please don't be dumbed down....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down.....Please don't be dumbed down...... Quote d81 wrote: If Skyrim is any indication I expect the worst...but still (idiotically) hope for the best. Quote Camonna Tong wrote: Quite a bit of the "dumbing down" had to do with the consoles, so it won't be as bad. Morrowind, which is my favorite, had the most dumbing down of them all. I've not had problems with most of the dumbing down. Stuff like the Classes being removed I agreed with. Post-Daggerfall classes had no real point besides affecting your level rate and how high your level can be. Quote jim_uk wrote: If it follows the Elder Scrolls pattern then each game will be dumber than the last with important stuff stripped out to make way for pointless fluff, hopefully mods can correct that. Quote Gopher wrote: @jim_uk I disagree. I don't think the TES games have been dumbed down at all. I have been playing since Daggerfall, and the only thing I would say is 'dumbed down' in Skyrim is the magic/enchanting system. I understand why they had to do that (and it had nothing to do with consoles), but I didn't like it. Quote Bloodinfested wrote: You could write a small novel on the amount of dumb down in TES so I wouldn’t get your hopes up bud accept reality... Quote jim_uk wrote: @Gopher You can't be serious? the rot started with Oblivion, that's when quests become nothing but follow the arrow and do what you're told, even then when you arrived at the generic cave that the arrow led you to you got a pop up telling you that you should go in, the game had a never ending tutorial. Fallout 3 was a little better but not by much, again it was a case of follow the arrow and do what you're told. Then there's Skyrim, a game where so much has been stripped away that the player is completely detached from the world, nothing you do matters, no one in the game cares about what's happening, you're once again following the arrow and doing what you're told, the game doesn't even have a proper journal to remind you of what you're following that arrow for, it's been replaced by a list that serves as nothing more than a way of changing which way the GPS arrow points.Bethesdas games have no meaningful choices, no consequences, quests work in complete isolation from each other making the world incoherent. Their standard of writing is nothing short of atrocious, this leads to dull stories and one dimensional NPCs who all seem to be suffering from various types of mental illness. Bethesda's games give the illusion of freedom when in reality there is none, the quests are no different to single player Call of Duty, you're not free to think for yourself, to make any choices in how any of it plays out, the only choice you have is do the quest now or do it later. Look at all the choices and paths New Vegas offers and then compare it to Fallout 3.As modding platforms Bethesdas titles are second to none, as RPGs they're garbage. Quote Natterforme wrote: I think its a little early to start the PC vs consoles trash talk. That horse has been beaten to death a million times over on the internet and serves no purpose here.:ets wait and see what this announcement actually is before we make assumptions of the future of Fallout.-Natterforme Quote jet4571 wrote: There is other dumbing down, skills and perks in Skyrim are not as robust as the previous titles. Then there's the whole outfit system that went from Oblivion allowing the player to mix and match top and bottom along with shoes, gloves, and hats to FO3's lack of choices that has continued to Skyrim. Quote falloutchad wrote: I am actually so anxious right now, So so worried they will change direction of what we the people want. All i want is basically a better version of FNV combined with Fo3 and Skyrim using the updated Gamebryo engine that Skyrim was on. And if they added co-op (big IF i know) that would be even better. But I'd really like to see an advance on skills and character progression, along with more in depth game play and narrative. And yes Gopher the games have become dumbed down because of consoles and yes they have/are being held back by consoles but yes IF Fo4 is mod-able then we modder's can fix the dumbness.I just really hope Fo4 isn't taking the "For casual gamers" route sooo many games are taking. Quote marthgun wrote: Since Morrowind i have felt the open world has gotten progressively smaller and less filled.mods can fix anything but a small map. I just hope they made it massive. We can fill the rest Quote KiCHo666 wrote: Well, mods can't add completely new skills, add weapon degradation (that is not clumsy), change any of hardcoded mechanics the game uses or add VATS if it's removed (hopefuly it's still there).Hate to be pessimistic, but I expect the worst. Quote haxbox wrote: Hey. Heard about one game. They call it "LIFE". P-fff. What a nonsenseP.S Really, games are not meant to imitate real life. Just to kill our time. Quote jim_uk wrote: @jet4571 Indeed http://i.imgur.com/xLgRoAt.png Quote KiCHo666 wrote: My prediction of next TES game. Quote jim_uk wrote: And two spells, "Heal Me" and "Shiny Thing".That might not be too far off sadly... maybe a fire spellI guess modders can fix some of the catastrophic mess but your at a point now where your almost redesigning an entire game. Stuff like reputation would be hard to throw back in Daggerfall for example everything you did had an effect on the world to npcs to other factions and would lead to one of 6 different endings, Skyrim nothing you do matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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