Moraelin Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Yes, well, Skyrim followers being even worse doesn't exactly make these good. No, but you can easily see an improvent in the followers part. They vastly better in terms of function and writing. I think we're basically getting into a whole different discussion at this point. Sure, Beth did a bunch of improvements compared to previous games, and I even have the distinct impression that they paid attention to the most popular mods for NV and Skyrim. That includes stuff from armoured plain clothes to, yes, the followers. I'm not denying any of that. I'm just saying that -- yes, even after the improvements over Skyrim --- they're still nowhere near what I'd call romance. Nor having enough interactions to form any meaningful emotional connection. I might grant Vilja or Willow that they could pass for a believable human. Especially Vilja, though don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing Willow either. I could find myself agreeing or disagreeing with her, or at least seeing where she's coming from, and so on. Whereas in FO4 like 6 dialogues with Piper are not even within the same order of magnitude. Sure, Piper is better than Lydia, and I'll acknowledge the improvement, but it's stil nowhere near where I'd consider that relationship more meaningful than being available for sex. But if it makes you feel any better, how about we compromise? I'll honour the improvements with my wiener at half mast :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoliteRaider Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I find it... fascinating that some people essentially JUST saw their spouse brutally murdered -- not even just learned from some FBI guy that they lost their beloved spouse, but actually SAW them get murdered -- and apparently the apropriate attitude to RP is, basically, "yep, it's been two days. Good enough. Watch out, Commonwealth, The Storkbringer is on the loose! Iiiit's D-Day! Who wants my D?" :wink: I'm sure someone somewhere is dreaming of a mod to lay Marcy Long and Mama Murphy, because they can't even wait to get to Diamond City to find Piper :wink: Quoth Mr Spock, "Fascinating." :tongue: Ah Nora, I remember the way we once went to the park, that strange smile you had at repeated door to door solicitors, your initial doubts over Codsworth that were finally overcome, your law degree and... well, actually those were your only defining traits, but those memories will last forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boombro Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Yes, well, Skyrim followers being even worse doesn't exactly make these good.No, but you can easily see an improvent in the followers part. They vastly better in terms of function and writing.I think we're basically getting into a whole different discussion at this point. Sure, Beth did a bunch of improvements compared to previous games, and I even have the distinct impression that they paid attention to the most popular mods for NV and Skyrim. That includes stuff from armoured plain clothes to, yes, the followers.I'm not denying any of that.I'm just saying that -- yes, even after the improvements over Skyrim --- they're still nowhere near what I'd call romance. Nor having enough interactions to form any meaningful emotional connection.I might grant Vilja or Willow that they could pass for a believable human. Especially Vilja, though don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing Willow either. I could find myself agreeing or disagreeing with her, or at least seeing where she's coming from, and so on. Whereas in FO4 like 6 dialogues with Piper are not even within the same order of magnitude.Sure, Piper is better than Lydia, and I'll acknowledge the improvement, but it's stil nowhere near where I'd consider that relationship more meaningful than being available for sex.But if it makes you feel any better, how about we compromise? I'll honour the improvements with my wiener at half mast :wink:I didn't try those mods myself though. For fo4 romance, yes, other games like bioware has way better romance. But let face it, beth writing is hardly that good, they are on a level of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddycat Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 yes, other games like bioware has way better romance. Ok, i'm totally gonna contradict my earlier statements now, but.....Mass Effect! That's how to do romance! When you think about it though, something like that would be totally out of place in the Fallout series. Fallout is more 'quicky round the back of the house bent over the bin' kinda game. Meh, maybe that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moraelin Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 For fo4 romance, yes, other games like bioware has way better romance. But let face it, beth writing is hardly that good, they are on a level of their own. Well, sure. But what I'm saying is: Beth's romance writing not being top notch, to say the least, is really WHY I'm not into romancing their NPCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted2433418User Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Being an old bastard who's probably had more sex than most of you will ever have(even if you count solo as sex) i tend to agree with the posters who,think the level of censorship idiotic, and those who could well live without the option..firstly..the "romance" is on the level of kindergarten "write yes or no"..and the fade to black is just.."well,that was pointless"..seeing that you can ,basically enter a romantic relationship with any companion,regardless of gender(that,at least is commendable,though i´m sure someone,somewhere is offended) but to edit out sex whilst having the most,magnificent gory,the target is now turned to bloody entrails and a head looking sourly at you.graphic shooter .WHY??because kids(and who lets kids younger than 14 play this anyway?) must not be subjected to the most basic human interaction?..excepting war that is what Humans do..period..we make war to get sex..we have sex to further our standing(if women or gay) or JUST FOR FUN!!!..anyone offended by a nipple or an erect dick... should ,seriously, get their head examined... but,thats just my two cents..i'm neither an advocate for decency or womens,gays,wtf's rights..i just happen to know humans..and they like two things sex.. and power..anyone disagreeing is lying..maybe mostly to him or herself..to summarise..Bethesda..either cut all "romance" or get the job right..and gamers?.. do what you freaking like with your game..anyone trying to feel self important by spouting generalisations and being a general pissant with an ego larger than deserved..ignore,delete and just laugh at the creep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boombro Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Being an old bastard who's probably had more sex than most of you will ever have(even if you count solo as sex) i tend to agree with the posters who,think the level of censorship idiotic, and those who could well live without the option..firstly..the "romance" is on the level of kindergarten "write yes or no"..and the fade to black is just.."well,that was pointless"..seeing that you can ,basically enter a romantic relationship with any companion,regardless of gender(that,at least is commendable,though i´m sure someone,somewhere is offended) but to edit out sex whilst having the most,magnificent gory,the target is now turned to bloody entrails and a head looking sourly at you.graphic shooter .WHY??because kids(and who lets kids younger than 14 play this anyway?) must not be subjected to the most basic human interaction?..excepting war that is what Humans do..period..we make war to get sex..we have sex to further our standing(if women or gay) or JUST FOR FUN!!!..anyone offended by a nipple or an erect dick... should ,seriously, get their head examined... but,thats just my two cents..i'm neither an advocate for decency or womens,gays,wtf's rights..i just happen to know humans..and they like two things sex.. and power..anyone disagreeing is lying..maybe mostly to him or herself..to summarise..Bethesda..either cut all "romance" or get the job right..and gamers?.. do what you freaking like with your game..anyone trying to feel self important by spouting generalisations and being a general pissant with an ego larger than deserved..ignore,delete and just laugh at the creep...I don't like seeing sex but +1 US is in an odd place right now. Gore and drugs and man eating in fiction is even okay, but not sex and nudity? That was okay not long ago. What happened to you people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasemyne Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 If this turns into a silly mini salami contest, well guys, then you've lost already at the start, even against Murphy the Madwoman. Let's keep it fair without scoring Viagra first and please, somewhat closeer to the thread huh.Muchas gracias ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXHertzyXx Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Being an old bastard who's probably had more sex than most of you will ever have(even if you count solo as sex) i tend to agree with the posters who,think the level of censorship idiotic, and those who could well live without the option..firstly..the "romance" is on the level of kindergarten "write yes or no"..and the fade to black is just.."well,that was pointless"..seeing that you can ,basically enter a romantic relationship with any companion,regardless of gender(that,at least is commendable,though i´m sure someone,somewhere is offended) but to edit out sex whilst having the most,magnificent gory,the target is now turned to bloody entrails and a head looking sourly at you.graphic shooter .WHY??because kids(and who lets kids younger than 14 play this anyway?) must not be subjected to the most basic human interaction?..excepting war that is what Humans do..period..we make war to get sex..we have sex to further our standing(if women or gay) or JUST FOR FUN!!!..anyone offended by a nipple or an erect dick... should ,seriously, get their head examined... but,thats just my two cents..i'm neither an advocate for decency or womens,gays,wtf's rights..i just happen to know humans..and they like two things sex.. and power..anyone disagreeing is lying..maybe mostly to him or herself..to summarise..Bethesda..either cut all "romance" or get the job right..and gamers?.. do what you freaking like with your game..anyone trying to feel self important by spouting generalisations and being a general pissant with an ego larger than deserved..ignore,delete and just laugh at the creep... I agree, with this entire sentiment. Censorship, to the extent it is taken by Bethesda is forthrightly nonsensical.. I.e. Can't kill children or show intimacy, but rape, torture, suicide, and race-purging depictions are often referenced and sometimes shown. I have no problems with viewing sex or violence in games because i am highly desensitized (which i believe is a good thing); or its different methods of delivering that aspect to players, but the level that it is reproduced for players is so...petty? It is as you say "Sex?: yes or no"..I only like the Fade to black, not because i like it being boring but, 1. I don't have to waste time visualizing anything or being engaged with it for any amount of time, especially if i am looking for a tangible effect from the act (i.e. a buff to stamina, or something), and 2. Even if i did actually care about the characters or the act, it at least leaves the mind to creativity. Humans crave sex, money, and power. No lie, but my personal feel is, skimpy mods/romance/LL/prostitution mods make up so much more of the modding community than any other draw. Gamers can play how they like, my opinion is i would rather see less romance, and more engaging and fun aspects to gaming/modding. Think unconventional mods that haven't been made and new areas. I can see this "romance" in real life, watching TV, watching porn, reading, but i came to the game for the story, for the gunplay, and to have fun. I can't nuke cities, and destroy super-mutants or align with BoS on TV or in real life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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