NEXUS OR SEXUS? THIS IS THE PROBLEM

[Lisnpuppy]

 

 

Which is highly amusing considering the time spent in the past chastising Lovers Lab for having the same stuff.

 

 

You're showing your lack of knowledge about the topic with that statement right there.

 

I'd like to hear your personal two cents on the subject without taking the shortcut of quoting site/forum rules like most moderators do.

 

 

He isn't a moderator he is the site owner. He isn't just quoting the rules, he made them. I think that is a distinct difference.

[536861646f57]

 

 

 

Which is highly amusing considering the time spent in the past chastising Lovers Lab for having the same stuff.

 

 

You're showing your lack of knowledge about the topic with that statement right there.

 

I'd like to hear your personal two cents on the subject without taking the shortcut of quoting site/forum rules like most moderators do.

 

 

He isn't a moderator he is the site owner. He isn't just quoting the rules, he made them. I think that is a distinct difference.

 

I understand what you're saying, but the Nexus is...How old? I joined in mid-2015 (like many when paid modding became a thing) so i don't know, but the site hosts Morrowind files so it must be relatively old. The rules must be outdated. Rules for an entire network can be extremely different from a personal opinion. I know he's the site owner, or I would not have quoted him. I wanted "the big man" opinion rather than a moderator.

[Lisnpuppy]

The rules are revamped occasionally and are discussed all the time to see if they need clarified, gotten rid of, updated, etc. So they are not so old. In fact the version up now I was a moderator while they were put up. Though there are no huge changes on them there was considerable effort to revamp them, make them more understandable, clarify, etc.

 

So no, they don't live in a vacuum. I have been here since Feb 2008 and they have changed several times.

 

Maybe Robin will give you some more but in essence I think (and I am not speaking for him please don't think that) that his statements regarding the functionality the site has is a good thing. If he had a huge issue with how the mods were going I think he would act accordingly. He has welcomed discussion on improvements on things, how to make things better like the tag, blocking system which works really well.

 

And I can tell you from personal experience of being one of those moderators that every report that comes in about a file, no matter who it is from, what file it is or made by gets a serious look as to if it breaks the rules. The moderators and staff discuss things at times to make sure they are all of the same understanding. If things need clarified then it happens. Many mods are zipped away off the site before sometimes, many people even know they exist. But as this is a very diverse population the Nexus tries to maintain rules that are 1) in accordance with the laws of the country it is in and 2) reasonable for the population it finds itself.

 

Making a shadow nexus if you will, of duplicate sites for adult and non-adult content is just not practical and not something I think will happen anytime in the nearest future if ever. That is why I tried to find some ways that could be offered up as improved that could be implemented. But all of that only works if people are willing to compromise and work together. If someone suddenly wants the Nexus to become "Sunday Best" clean then I think they will be disappointed. I mean the games in their vanilla state are rated M. Have slavery, prostitution, scantily clothes folks, robbery, murder, extreme violence. If people want to offer up some other things than the my way or the highway (and I really am looking at both sides of this one not just the one) then we might be able to make some happy progress. If not--well I guess the decision is do you stick around a place that you have such low thoughts about?

 

This is not an easy thing for anyone to address. Coming at it thinking there is one cure to make everyone happy is naive. However it remains that the final decision of this goes to Robin as site owner of a private site. You can say what you want about the state of his soul, but the decision remains his and I think the existing ToS and his comments here in this thread speak volumes. He of course could surprise me as he often does and do a complete 180 and write a three page post on this entire thing telling you his ideas from the days he wore short-pants and carried a Teddy Bear.. :laugh:

[blove]

Mandatory high level tagging prior to publishing, thanks.

 

The rest of this thread went from whatever to WTF?! in like 4 seconds flat.

[NexBeth]

I'm not one to oppose the adult content mods, as the site provides the filters to block these and I'm ok with the level of filters they provide as explained here (especially since doing more will cost considerably more money as explained here). However, I have seen a trend here and there creeping in that includes more explicitly sexually oriented materials taking up space on the Skyrim front page (hot files-such as the pin-up desktop pictures phonograpy that ran for nearly a week recently---which actually had nothing to do with a mod in a modding website). In and of itself, I could just ignore this because, again we have the filters and the cost of adding additional filtering, but, what I don't like is some mods we are seeing more and more coming out of the woodwork that are clearly themed for the abuse of women and many more mods that showcase females with very much adult-content body types and garb, yet they have adolescent faces, or even look like pre-adolescents.

 

Its not just animations and polygons. This is a something that has to be taken seriously, I feel at least. This is not about filters, or setting up a separate page for adult content. Its about decency accepted in our society and how Nex handles such content on its website. Filters are not needed, nor more money spent. Just a tiny step up and willingness to put the lid on this type of content showing up here. The Nex is not my website, so I make no demands, nor do I wish to insult anyone. I love Nexus and only want the very best for the site and its awesome community.

[Thandal]

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However, I have seen a trend here and there creeping in that includes more explicitly sexually oriented materials taking up space on the Skyrim front page (hot files-such as the pin-up desktop pictures phonograpy that ran for nearly a week recently---which actually had nothing to do with a mod in a modding website).

 

There are fewer than 20 Staff. There are more than 10,000,000 members, and tens-of-thousands of uploads.

That's why there's a Report Button. :cool:

 

 

From the ToS:

If you see [something] that breaches these rules it does not mean that [the material] has been allowed to remain by the Nexus staff and that all [materials] of similar content are tolerated. Nexus staff might not have seen [it] so report [it] if you are unsure.

[sunshinenbrick]

If 'self-censorship' is to be the order of the day (and I don't necessarily disagree with this - if this is way that things are to be taken), then I agree that the tagging system is not prominent enough.

 

As something that people increasingly seem to require then making the related options much closer to hand would solve many issues. I have also often thought that by adding a few infographics or pictograms to the tagging system would also make it more FUN! to do. Its surprising how people naturally like to organise stuff if they can 'see' the fruits of their labour! Playing on that little OCD bug in everyone

[JimboUK]

I'm not one to oppose the adult content mods, as the site provides the filters to block these and I'm ok with the level of filters they provide as explained here (especially since doing more will cost considerably more money as explained here). However, I have seen a trend here and there creeping in that includes more explicitly sexually oriented materials taking up space on the Skyrim front page (hot files-such as the pin-up desktop pictures phonograpy that ran for nearly a week recently---which actually had nothing to do with a mod in a modding website). In and of itself, I could just ignore this because, again we have the filters and the cost of adding additional filtering, but, what I don't like is some mods we are seeing more and more coming out of the woodwork that are clearly themed for the abuse of women and many more mods that showcase females with very much adult-content body types and garb, yet they have adolescent faces, or even look like pre-adolescents.

 

Its not just animations and polygons. This is a something that has to be taken seriously, I feel at least. This is not about filters, or setting up a separate page for adult content. Its about decency accepted in our society and how Nex handles such content on its website. Filters are not needed, nor more money spent. Just a tiny step up and willingness to put the lid on this type of content showing up here. The Nex is not my website, so I make no demands, nor do I wish to insult anyone. I love Nexus and only want the very best for the site and its awesome community.

 

If a mod is sexualising children then report it, that sort of thing is illegal under UK law and it will be vanished usually along with the author, it does have to be a child though, someone with a young looking face isn't enough, plenty have been removed over the years along with rape mods and other unpleasantness. As for what's acceptable in our society, this site is global with mod users and makers coming from many different cultures, being a little tolerant doesn't hurt.

[WursWaldo]

Read the whole thread.

The posts initiating and driving this 'issue' reek of social activism. There is a very small minority in the membership (less than 1%) attempting to change something they don't agree with. Their problem is not that they can see adult imagery and content, but that it exists period. Factually, the content they oppose cannot be viewed unless they intentionally change their settings to enable it. If they hadn't done that, the content wouldn't display and thus they wouldn't be subjected to it.

 

If you read the activist posts all of the key phrases are there. 'How Nexus is perceived', 'What other people think', etc. Basically they want to change Nexus culture from within because that's how culture warriors and social activists operate. They don't like what is going on so they are going to attempt to change it, regardless of what others want. Less than 1% of the Nexus population is trying to dictate what the other 99.9% get to view and download. All of the signs are there. What's presented as 'concerns' are in fact attempts at shaming to guilt and scare people into doing what they want. We see this in real life and the internet on a daily basis. They want Nexus to be another Safe Zone.

 

Infuriating that they want to limit and censor a forum that's provided them a venue to upload mods and participate in a community. Perplexing that this topic gets consideration at all.

 

All of the forum mechanics needed to completely block 'offensive' content is already in place. The 'problem' isn't that this vocal minority can see things they don't like, it's that the things they don't like exist at all.

 

EDIT:

As for the ‘Mango’ mod mentioned in this thread specifically; it is not only a topic of conversation here but on another site as well. On this other site the focus of the conversation isn’t about the content of the mod, but the reactions of a few members here at Nexus.

Members on the other site are questioning the negative reactions being posted here publicly. To them, the perception of Nexus is we are immature; based solely on the nature of the mod’s comments.

If ‘what people think’ is a litmus test for Nexus content and how others perceive us dictates what is or is not allowed, then by those standards the comments in that upload thread need to be removed. Realistically those comments need to be removed anyway since they violate Nexus rules about trolling upload threads, but that is another matter. Though those posts could be viewed as Nexus allowing trolling of uploads and mod authors. Is that how we want to be perceived?

If we are going to start banning content by what others think, then it should be across the board and not just the mods a tiny minority here find offensive. I find the attitude of 'I don't like it so you can't have it' offensive.

Edited February 28, 2016 by WursWaldo

[Lisnpuppy]

Then I think there would be perhaps...10, 11 files left...ha ha ha