NEXUS OR SEXUS? THIS IS THE PROBLEM

[NexBeth]

 

The mod presentation and description has changed since this discussion due to site owner intervention.

 

 

Uh...hate to burst the bubble of people who were expecting us to do something about it, but no it hasn't. None of the staff have touched that file. You can check yourself by looking at the action log on the file page.

 

My mistake then. The description page looked different than I remember it and I thought some changes were mentioned somewhere in this discussion. No bubbles burst for me.

[JimboUK]

 

 

A Clockwork Orange, The Evil Dead, Once Upon a Time in America, Straw Dogs, the list goes on, video games and even the mods here are tame in comparison to what Hollywood and others have put out. In fact there was one on TV last night, I have no idea what the movie was called but it was very unpleasant and the channel got changed.

 

Do any of those movies portray woman in a cavalier way as unwilling sex toys to be kidnapped, gang raped, physically scarred, and then paraded around naked? I know of movies that do this type of stuff but its usually the low-caliber "cult" movie that appeals to a very limited audience. If the woman in a video game was an African American and portrayed as such, I wonder what would be the result? I seriously doubt the majority of women on this site are ok with mods that portray women as such....but, like me, will respect the owner's decision to run his site as he sees best. Afterall, if something is intolerable enough, then there's always the door out.

 

 

No and neither does this mod, my point was that movies portray this far more graphically, not that it matters as movies and games are two very different things. You do realise that this sort of thing exists in vanilla games? Fallout 3 has Clover, a sex slave the player can purchase, she'll then follow you around flirting with the you, Fallout New Vegas has the player stumble across a dead prostitute on a blood soaked table, next to her a doctors bag and surgical equipment, both of these are far worse than mod you want removed. Skyrim itself has some disturbing stuff, the dead woman bent over a rock for example, again more disturbing than this companions backstory.

 

 

The issue of nexus is very simple, its success. You have grown too quickly, but your management capacity, is become too limited.. It is not a fault, damn be proud of this, you have something to celebrate. The problem is that my post has openly out, all your operational limits. If after fourteen pages there are two entrenched factions and deployed with the guns aimed at each other it is evident that there is a problem. This post was to end within a few pages and disappear with the respective parties reconciled. Whereas now it is a thorn in the side, which you hope that you just can disappear. That was the right strategy to follow: the simplest and most obvious: you had to give up something. Dark0ne had to post a message, in which he admitted that the mod "mango" had the obvious problem of too injure a sensitive issue, but that the mod would not be withdrawn, but it would only have changed the text, where the references to the abuses sexual were removed. Mango was just held captive by bandits in a cave. End. Problem solved. Dark0ne intervening personally admitted the mistake, elevated to admin libertarian, but morally upright. Instead you have peg away on a position ethically too controversial. It is inadmissible for the image of Nexus that such a controversy arises around the fact that a hosted mod, whether or not an incitement to rape. Such a debate should not even never arise. If rises immediately goes unreported, even if it means taking a step back. Valve's when he realized that his attempt to sell the paid hack raised too many protests immediately made a step backward: "sorry we were joking." This was for her double damage, lost in the picture and made the nexus bulwark of the free modding.

Everything had to be done before the Mango disappeared from the top list, but now that mod is there to damage your image. Imagine if the mod reached the top spot. you end to have a mod that incited the rape there in the head and they all see. You are a bit crazy.

Your continued use of arguesof tags in this case does not work, and the proof is the fact that you have not convinced people like me who was irritated by the mod. You can not use a filter technical device, confuse plans, flatten the ethical level on the artificial removal of the object of the dispute. This is absurd. The amazing thing is continue to support this thesis, well supported by other users, who have obvious theoretical shortcomings. The fact is that the tag is naturally the key in your strategy to bring together content on the site of conflict between them. And why you insist so absolutely stubborn. But on the first try as early as this system does not work. Honestly I have never seen operate in this way. If I have to distribute a controversial product and extol its positive and negative aspects of the occult. The best way to convinvere contradictory content and to provide at different spaces within the site, yes it is expensive in terms of resources, but it is repeatedly tested and works well. The shrine of a newspaper is a working example and socialemente accepted. I've never seen anyone complain about the presence of pornography because it does not occupy almost never the front. This was the best solution, well wearable by a halo of freedom, but it sure is expensive.

 

I am sincerely very sorry that my question had irritated you, I was tactless, try to forgive me.

 

 

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[DDProductions83]

I'll reiterate what I've already said though, Lisn.

 

We'll certainly be addressing tagging in much more detail, trying to make it more powerful and better used, during or after the site redesign. But we are talking many, many months away here.

 

I'm not going to drag myself down in to the rest of the chat. I really have no wish to argue philosophy or morality with the people in this thread, especially when they throw around silly numbers and make it a numbers game. 4.4 million of the 10.7 members we have here have downloaded the most popular nude body mod for Skyrim...I think people need to step back and have a reality check when they talk about majorities and minorities on these issues.

 

Do you seriously not know how your own unique downloads number works on your own site? For example, my UMP has 10k 'unique' downloads on main page, but that counts all the unique downloads PER UPDATE. CBBE is on version 3.4F with 500k unique. That means if it had 8 updates (Which it had plenty more than that) and the SAME 500K people downloaded each one, presto 4 million number on it's main page.

 

Seriously came back here for some odd reason and saw that and had to laugh. You just mocked people touting numbers and yours is statistically so improbable that it might as well be a 0% chance that 4.4 different people downloaded the mod. The actual number is more likely to be half to a third of that, and while still high as hell, it was just interesting that you were unaware of how the unique downloads number can be gimmicked.

 

On a aside.. can we make a case to 'fix' that unique number to not stack updates and optional files etc? Since it's very clearly misleading to everyone involved. NEW THREAD TIME! now back to reading this derailment..

[DDProductions83]

 

That said, the more empowerment we can give to the user to self-censor, the more freedom we can offer to content creators. If it's at the cost of a few seconds of deliberation from content owners, requiring them to categorize their work at least to a minimal extent regarding adult and sexual content during the upload process, so be it. It will allow us to move past these dilemmas that historically have no recourse. A few discretionary checks to ensure that a submission cannot be made without selecting a few vital categorization guidelines is not asking too much and it's something we'll look into.

 

This would solve a lot of problems, but please have different adult 'tags' etc in there. I think it would be terrible to miss a quest mod etc that may be violent or swear, but I could easily do without bodyslide number 400 or waifu follower on my searches etc, but atm they both would carry the same tag.

[Dark0ne]

Do you seriously not know how your own unique downloads number works on your own site?

 

 

First I've heard of it. Don't know when that broke, but we'll get it fixed up so we can get some true numbers.

[DDProductions83]

 

Do you seriously not know how your own unique downloads number works on your own site?

 

 

First I've heard of it. Don't know when that broke, but we'll get it fixed up so we can get some true numbers.

 

It's been doing it for at least a year, maybe 2. I remember noticing it back around DB2 so that's 2 years back. Not like it skews anything besides perception, provided hotfiles are only based around endorsements. Which.. new thread coming in a minute.

[Dark0ne]

It's been doing it for at least a year, maybe 2. I remember noticing it back around DB2 so that's 2 years back. Not like it skews anything besides perception, provided hotfiles are only based around endorsements. Which.. new thread coming in a minute.

 

 

It's meant to be an easy marker for how many unique individuals have, at one point or another, downloaded your file. It's obviously not working as intended so needs to be fixed. I'm discussing it with the programmers now. I imagine I'm going to get a lot of "Why did my stats suddenly change, this is an outrage!" PMs/support tickets, even if I make a news post about it.

 

Hot files are only based on endorsements.

[DDProductions83]

 

It's been doing it for at least a year, maybe 2. I remember noticing it back around DB2 so that's 2 years back. Not like it skews anything besides perception, provided hotfiles are only based around endorsements. Which.. new thread coming in a minute.

 

 

It's meant to be an easy marker for how many unique individuals have, at one point or another, downloaded your file. It's obviously not working as intended so needs to be fixed. I'm discussing it with the programmers now. I imagine I'm going to get a lot of "Why did my stats suddenly change, this is an outrage!" PMs/support tickets, even if I make a news post about it.

 

Hot files are only based on endorsements.

 

It's why I have been leaving my old versions up lately, so I can get a gauge and try to approximate the actual downloads, though no amount of theory-crafting can account for actual human statistical probability. IE, I'll be one grateful MoFo if they get it fixed :tongue:

[Dark0ne]

To tide our demand for statistical accuracy over until then, I had the programmers run a command (I asked them yesterday, it's taken this long for the server to return the figure...) to see how many of the 10.7 million members have downloaded at least one Skyrim file (e.g. to answer the question "How many users of the Nexus have modded their Skyrim at some point?") and the answer is 6,342,522. So, once we've rerun the stats (which I imagine is going to take a long time due to the sheer numbers we're talking about, 1.3+ billion downloads) we can have a slightly more clear example of the number of people who seem to be perfectly accepting of the nudity on the site. Although, obviously, those stats won't be definitive as it doesn't take in to account people using one type of nude mod over another. For example, the most downloaded male nude mod has 2.5m "uniques" and the second most popular nude female body mod has 2.4m "unique" downloads. While we could run a very complex query to find out the actual number of people who've downloaded nudity at some point or another, it might be a waste of programmer time by that point. A general idea is good enough.

 

While I understand this wasn't the original point of the OP, when people start saying they can find lots of people that can agree with them on no nudity being on the site at all...I want to make it a moot point.

[DDProductions83]

To tide our demand for statistical accuracy over until then, I had the programmers run a command (I asked them yesterday, it's taken this long for the server to return the figure...) to see how many of the 10.7 million members have downloaded at least one Skyrim file (e.g. to answer the question "How many users of the Nexus have modded their Skyrim at some point?") and the answer is 6,342,522. So, once we've rerun the stats (which I imagine is going to take a long time due to the sheer numbers we're talking about, 1.3+ billion downloads) we can have a slightly more clear example of the number of people who seem to be perfectly accepting of the nudity on the site. Although, obviously, those stats won't be definitive as it doesn't take in to account people using one type of nude mod over another. For example, the most downloaded male nude mod has 2.5m "uniques" and the second most popular nude female body mod has 2.4m "unique" downloads. While we could run a very complex query to find out the actual number of people who've downloaded nudity at some point or another, it might be a waste of programmer time by that point. A general idea is good enough.

 

While I understand this wasn't the original point of the OP, when people start saying they can find lots of people that can agree with them on no nudity being on the site at all...I want to make it a moot point.

Lol fair enough. I'm just glad this unique gimmicking will now be addressed :P Damn the rest of this thread VICTORY FOR THE NUMERICALLY OCD!!!!

 

Also anyone here NOT love the OP? Like clearly english is not his native language but he comes off more refined and educated than pretty much any of us.