Do You Think the Delayed Creation Kit Will Have a Long Term Negative Effect on Modding?

[mac2636]

 

 

To me what Beth has done with FO4 is almost as bad as the Skyrim paid modding debacle. It seems very obvious to me, they skimped on easily modded in content to probably save them money on the front end and to have an easy way to generate future revenue (dlc that just adds settlement items etc).

DLC02 adds also slavery and fights, not just building items.

llowing Beth any increased control over modding would seem to be a really bad idea.

We have no idea in what way Beth will control mods. I don't see how it can be bad since they hardly showed any hostile reaction to pretty much any mod, or youtube showcases.

 

 

Its sad really that Beth doesn't seem to want help modders more considering the massive amount of additional game and dlc sales they've received because of mods.

That doesn't make any sense, they did hire modders before, made tutorials for modding, and the mod tools is one of the best editing tools, add mod like stuff in new games and so much more. I saw much, much harsher modding environments that are hellishly unfair and beth is very chill about the whole thing.

 

And paid modding does help modders, how it doesn't? Even if the cut is small, it better than nothing all and pressing "like" buttons.

Where did I say that paid modding doesn't help modders? But the modders cut was beyond absurdly low and very indicative that Beth were more concerned with an additional revenue stream for themselves than they were in getting money into the hands of modders. If Beth really had modders best interest at the forefront they would have found a way to get them rewarded even if it didn't provide any revenue to Beth themselves. Making tools isn't helping modders get rewarded for their work. It does however make it easier to mod which produces more mods and more potential reasons for people to purchase Beth games.

 

The slavery addition alone would not have been worth a DLC price. Now throwing in a bunch of easily created settlement assets puts its value in line for the cost to gamers.

 

You can look at the game and tell, they created an environment where it is very simple to add a ton of content.

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"Will be able to" does not mean the same as will only ever be. Clear indication that paid and free mods will go hand in hand in the same system.

[Boombro]

 

 

The slavery addition alone would not have been worth a DLC price.

Yes it is. Not for you, but for countless others it almost priceless or ready to pay more for it. Even if it was, it has new meshes, textures, maybe weapons. That has a set price since it costs cash to make.

You talk about wanting to reward modders, but the sweat and hours of those who made the DLCs content and it their legit job is different for you?

 

 

Where did I say that paid modding doesn't help modders? But the modders cut was beyond absurdly low and very indicative that Beth were more concerned with an additional revenue stream for themselves than they were in getting money into the hands of modders.

Yes I agree. But they could get more cash from simply making more DLCs.

[mac2636]

 

 

 

 

The slavery addition alone would not have been worth a DLC price.

Yes it is. Not for you, but for countless others it almost priceless or ready to pay more for it. Even if it was, it has new meshes, textures, maybe weapons. That has a set price since it costs cash to make.

 

You talk about wanting to reward modders, but the sweat and hours of those who made the DLCs content and it their legit job is different for you?

 

 

 

 

 

Where did I say that paid modding doesn't help modders? But the modders cut was beyond absurdly low and very indicative that Beth were more concerned with an additional revenue stream for themselves than they were in getting money into the hands of modders.

Yes I agree. But they could get more cash from simply making more DLCs.

I've said nothing to affect Beth shouldn't get paid for their work. Why do feel the need to continue to put words into others mouths? It is absolutely obvious, the slavery part wouldn't provide enough value. Otherwise that's all they would release.

 

The margins would've been exponentially higher than DLC had they been successful with their paid mods model. Total revenue influx probably would've been significantly higher with paid mods as well.

 

Beth isn't evil, but they are a corporation, which means the vast majority of decisions made within the company will be centered around income potential. Again, this isn't actually a bad thing, but it dies mean the company is incapable of being neutral or "siding" with those outside the company. That is how successful companies are ran. The employees put the company's interest first because that is how they themselves will keep their jobs and make more money. It is also why some other entity should be involved in managing monetary flow to mod authors. A website like the Nexus is a good example, because their financial interest is ditectly linked to mod authors' success.

[Boombro]

 

 

I've said nothing to affect Beth shouldn't get paid for their work. Why do feel the need to continue to put words into others mouths? It is absolutely obvious, the slavery part wouldn't provide enough value. Otherwise that's all they would release.

Yes it is.

Scripts, voice work, items to use (cages.) whatever we use to capture (past game it was a weapon.) that all has a price.

 

 

 

The margins would've been exponentially higher than DLC had they been successful with their paid mods model. Total revenue influx probably would've been significantly higher with paid mods as well.

Nope, they will get more since they are not sharing the cash with anyone. And not have to keep watch on paid mods and to make the system work, and people would buy DLC for mods if not for the DLC itself.

 

 

Beth isn't evil, but they are a corporation, which means the vast majority of decisions made within the company will be centered around income potential. Again, this isn't actually a bad thing, but it dies mean the company is incapable of being neutral or "siding" with those outside the company.

I disagree, beth it doing well and fare much better than many other devs when it comes to the outside. I have less hair splits from them than many others devs along the years like fromsoftware, EA, UBSOFT and Capom.

 

You don't want to be Japaneses dev fan, boy.

Edited March 12, 2016 by Boombro

[mac2636]

Ugggh. Company overhead for dev and testing teams alone would lower the margins below what they had set for paid mods the first time around. Add to that, advertising, licensing, distributors' cuts, publishers' cut and it wouldn't even be close. They wouldn't have kept watch over paid mods, that was the beauty of for them. There resource investment was ro be miniscule compared to developing, launching, and maintaining enough dlcs to even come close to the amount of money that would've come from paid mods.

 

It would be a similar set up to licensing agreements that many companies thrive off of today. It's basically free money.

 

Again with words in my mouth. Good grief man. I never said there were other companies supporting modding better than Bethesda (yet there actually are), but just because Beth supports modding their games more than other companies do, it doesn't mean they would be the best option as caretakers of mods and the modding community. History show they are not. Its exactly the reason Nexus' modding site is wildly more successful than Beth's.

[Boombro]

 

They wouldn't have kept watch over paid mods, that was the beauty of for them.

They must make sure they are up to terms agreed with.

 

They most also make sure the system is running. They can't make a system, say f it, sleep and check up website stats once a week.

 

 

There resource investment was ro be miniscule compared to developing, launching, and maintaining enough dlcs to even come close to the amount of money that would've come from paid mods.

Because people will pay for mods from un-skilled people instead of getting a free alt on pretty much any other modding website, or a legit dlc from beth, with no ability to get their cash back.

 

The only legit mods that will bring bank are large gear packs, story/new lands, huge overhauls to the game world and new challenges. To get some real buck people need to poop that stuff out and be golden good every now and then. That freaking hard, and who will buy when LL, nexus and steam is offering the mods for free?

 

 

History show they are not. Its exactly the reason Nexus' modding site is wildly more successful than Beth's.

What are you talking about, beth has no modding platform whatsoever yet. Are you talking about steam workshop?

Edited March 12, 2016 by Boombro

[mac2636]

 

 

They wouldn't have kept watch over paid mods, that was the beauty of for them.

They must make sure they are up to terms agreed with.

 

They most also make sure the system is running. They can't make a system, say f it, sleep and check up website stats once a week.

 

 

There resource investment was ro be miniscule compared to developing, launching, and maintaining enough dlcs to even come close to the amount of money that would've come from paid mods.

Because people will pay for mods from un-skilled people instead of getting a free alt on pretty much any other modding website, or a legit dlc from beth, with no ability to get their cash back.

 

The only legit mods that will bring bank are large gear packs, story/new lands, huge overhauls to the game world and new challenges. To get some real buck people need to poop that stuff out and be golden good every now and then. That freaking hard, and who will buy when LL, nexus and steam is offering the mods for free?

 

 

History show they are not. Its exactly the reason Nexus' modding site is wildly more successful than Beth's.

What are you talking about, beth has no modding platform whatsoever yet. Are you talking about steam workshop?

 

They were not going to be the ones keeping up the mod site,etc. They were farming that part out. Maintaining/updating the mods was to be done by the mod authors. Their actual resource investment was going to be very very small.

 

Nexus and LL would not offer the same mods for free, because the mod authors would have moved all of their stuff over to where the money was going to come from.

 

"Beth has no modding platform whatsoever yet" EXACTLY!!!!!!!

 

Their games have been moddable for years and they've never had a successful distribution platform for mods. That is why Nexus became so wildly popular. Look at other companies that maintain mod sites for their games (Paradox, Stardock, etc). Those companies are a fraction the size of Bethesda, and have been able to foster modding, host mods, provide tools and guidance, so efficiently, they've never needed to try paid for mods. It is completely obvious that it is simply not within Bethesda's core competency to be able to host mods or really even foster their development outside of providing the CK. Nothing wrong with that, they are very good at other things, but just not hosting mods. Whereas sites like Nexus are actually extremely good at it.

[Boombro]

 

Nothing wrong with that, they are very good at other things, but just not hosting mods. Whereas sites like Nexus are actually extremely good at it.

How do you even know? There is nothing that shows they can or can't yet. Nothing at all. What are you basing your statement at even?

 

 

 

Nexus and LL would not offer the same mods for free, because the mod authors would have moved all of their stuff over to where the money was going to come from.

Who cares, if I saw two quest mods. One free and the other costs cash. I will still take the free one and save my cash.

[mac2636]

 

 

Nothing wrong with that, they are very good at other things, but just not hosting mods. Whereas sites like Nexus are actually extremely good at it.

How do you even know? There is nothing that shows they can or can't yet. Nothing at all. What are you basing your statement at even?

 

 

 

Nexus and LL would not offer the same mods for free, because the mod authors would have moved all of their stuff over to where the money was going to come from.

Who cares, if I saw two quest mods. One free and the other costs cash. I will still take the free one and save my cash.

Good grief.

 

Bethesda themselves knew it wasn't in their core copetency. That is why they didn't handle everything themselves when they tried paid mods before. Maybe they hired new staff that will be capable of handling it in the future, but for mod authors and users, there is already a company that is extremely good at hosting mods. Which means that Beth will almost certainly be behind in regards to mod hosting.

 

Seriously? How many free mods do you think would even still be available? Of those how many would be even average quality compared to the paid ones? Most likely, with very few exceptions, the only mods that would be free, would be ones by authors that would not want to be bothered with providing an appropriate amount of customer service and support that would demanded on the paid site. Think you'd rather have those mods than the higher quality, tested, and supported paid ones?

 

And why would you prefer the free ones anyway. Didn't you write that you support paid mods? Don't you want mod authors to be rewarded for their hard work? So, how much have you donated to authors anyway?

 

And how is it that you feel Beth should be handsomely rewarded for their hard work on DLCs, but you also think those DLCs are very cheap to produce when compared to just being the middle man for paid mods?