Do You Think the Delayed Creation Kit Will Have a Long Term Negative Effect on Modding?

[Boombro]

 

Saying that Bethesda is the hand that feeds the modders is a bit exaggerated, considering that the mods extend the longevity of the games

True, but they own the tools, they made the games from zero with modding in mind to the point it the reason the games can be easily pirated and now buggy, made guides, added the workshop etc etc.

Beth games don't need mods to make them last, many still play skyrm with zero mods today in the biggest part of the market and that is the console.

 

So basically, we under their mercy and it hardly the other way around.

[JuJooGuppy]

Bethesda is very much the hand that feeds us, TeamBacon isn't wrong at all. The simple fact is, Bethesda could get sick of stupid complaints like whats going on, and just get fed up to the point they actually DO actively disable modding entirely. (I mean really, do you think that if they so desired, they couldn't make modded content stop working and extremely difficult to get working..? Not to mention they could contact Nexus and tell them they no longer want them hosting modded content, either. They could do any number of things to stop modders.

 

So seeing people say how they are blocking modders and trying to destroy the community... jeez, people. Lol.

You know how many games don't provide you with a powerful mod tool like the CK at ALL? And you're mad they delayed it for whatever their reasons may be...? Be thankful we are getting it at all, and for free. Its not an obligation at ALL. They could post tomorrow saying "You know, this CK thing has been a pain in the ass and a huge waste of our money, time and resources, so we are cancelling it. Sorry bout that!" and they would still be in the right.

So many people feel so entitled..... I think I need to start avoiding these topics, they are starting to really piss me off lol. I try to be friendly and helpful to everyone, but I have had a hard time not snapping at some people on here...

[mac2636]

Actually mods and modding in general significantly increases the value and sales of Beth products.

[Foky]

Bethesda is very much the hand that feeds us, TeamBacon isn't wrong at all. The simple fact is, Bethesda could get sick of stupid complaints like whats going on, and just get fed up to the point they actually DO actively disable modding entirely. (I mean really, do you think that if they so desired, they couldn't make modded content stop working and extremely difficult to get working..? Not to mention they could contact Nexus and tell them they no longer want them hosting modded content, either. They could do any number of things to stop modders.

 

So seeing people say how they are blocking modders and trying to destroy the community... jeez, people. Lol.

 

You know how many games don't provide you with a powerful mod tool like the CK at ALL? And you're mad they delayed it for whatever their reasons may be...? Be thankful we are getting it at all, and for free. Its not an obligation at ALL. They could post tomorrow saying "You know, this CK thing has been a pain in the ass and a huge waste of our money, time and resources, so we are cancelling it. Sorry bout that!" and they would still be in the right.

 

So many people feel so entitled..... I think I need to start avoiding these topics, they are starting to really piss me off lol. I try to be friendly and helpful to everyone, but I have had a hard time not snapping at some people on here...

 

 

I didn't say the statement was wrong, but that it was exaggerated, I'd say the relation of mods and the game is mutually beneficial; pulling official support or any support for mods would be a shot in the foot for them. Some of streamlined content that the vanilla game provides isn't enough to keep the game relevant for long. I personally am thankful that Bethesda provides the tools and the game for the modders, and that they even keep producing the game, that doesn't mean that people shouldn't voice their concerns and criticisms. At the end of the days it's just my uninformed opinion, it may or may not be valid.

[minngarm]

Bethesda is very much the hand that feeds us, TeamBacon isn't wrong at all. The simple fact is, Bethesda could get sick of stupid complaints like whats going on, and just get fed up to the point they actually DO actively disable modding entirely. (I mean really, do you think that if they so desired, they couldn't make modded content stop working and extremely difficult to get working..? Not to mention they could contact Nexus and tell them they no longer want them hosting modded content, either. They could do any number of things to stop modders.

 

So seeing people say how they are blocking modders and trying to destroy the community... jeez, people. Lol.

 

You know how many games don't provide you with a powerful mod tool like the CK at ALL? And you're mad they delayed it for whatever their reasons may be...? Be thankful we are getting it at all, and for free. Its not an obligation at ALL. They could post tomorrow saying "You know, this CK thing has been a pain in the ass and a huge waste of our money, time and resources, so we are cancelling it. Sorry bout that!" and they would still be in the right.

 

So many people feel so entitled..... I think I need to start avoiding these topics, they are starting to really piss me off lol. I try to be friendly and helpful to everyone, but I have had a hard time not snapping at some people on here...

Yup, people are getting pissy at BETH doing a good thing for all of us. Of course the "beta" of green light and other such programs over the last five years has misconstrued what a BETA is for the majority of gamers now. We have a large number of ppl in this BETA that have never been an actual BETA tester.

 

This is more so a call to arms for the old school gamers that have experience in various ALPHA and BETA's that were actually just that and not an early purchase slow development game.

[Boombro]

Actually mods and modding in general significantly increases the value and sales of Beth products.

Yup. But beth games don't really need them that much as we think. Countless play the game with zero mods across the systems for more than 500 hours. It normal that you buddy with PS3 has clocked a 1000. If I was a game dev, that is a great thing.

Edited March 31, 2016 by Boombro

[TeamBacon]

Actually mods and modding in general significantly increases the value and sales of Beth products.

 

My personal speculation is that Bethesda barely brakes even from the amount of extra work they have to do to make these games in a way that can be modded in such ways.

 

But if you haven't seen behind the scenes and how duct taped together most videogame titles truly are, you wouldn't really understand. In the end, most games are like when you have a picture of an actress with makeup and hair done and Photoshopping to make her look good. Bethesda on the other hand has to be out there totally vulnerable with no makeup, no hair done, and no Photoshop. Totally letting the world have access to all the weaknesses that others would hide, because when you let people mod, you can't hide anything.

 

The general Nexus attitude as a whole is basically like having some critic saying, 'Why is this actress without makeup not a pretty as this actress over here (who has been Photoshopped). She needs to stop being so lazy and take better care of herself.'

 

Yes, modders help Bethesda, but Bethesda has to work hard and put up with a lot of bull as well. I am sure the trade off helps Bethesda, but I very much doubt it is as one sided as a lot of people seem to believe.

[Moksha8088]

Are any updates that break mods a sign that the CK is on its way with an EULA specifying mods must be Bethesda.net ready for sales and console distribution?

[mac2636]

 

 

Actually mods and modding in general significantly increases the value and sales of Beth products.

Yup. But beth games don't really need them that much as we think. Countless play the game with zero mods across the systems for more than 500 hours. It normal that you buddy with PS3 has clocked a 1000. If I was a game dev, that is a great thing.

Then why go through the trouble to bring mods to consoles?

[mac2636]

 

 

Actually mods and modding in general significantly increases the value and sales of Beth products.

My personal speculation is that Bethesda barely brakes even from the amount of extra work they have to do to make these games in a way that can be modded in such ways.

 

But if you haven't seen behind the scenes and how duct taped together most videogame titles truly are, you wouldn't really understand. In the end, most games are like when you have a picture of an actress with makeup and hair done and Photoshopping to make her look good. Bethesda on the other hand has to be out there totally vulnerable with no makeup, no hair done, and no Photoshop. Totally letting the world have access to all the weaknesses that others would hide, because when you let people mod, you can't hide anything.

 

The general Nexus attitude as a whole is basically like having some critic saying, 'Why is this actress without makeup not a pretty as this actress over here (who has been Photoshopped). She needs to stop being so lazy and take better care of herself.'

 

Yes, modders help Bethesda, but Bethesda has to work hard and put up with a lot of bull as well. I am sure the trade off helps Bethesda, but I very much doubt it is as one sided as a lot of people seem to believe.

Your take on most Nexus forum members thoughts towards Beth is completely exaggerated.

 

They are a corporation that is in business to maximize profits. If what you wrote were actually true they would've abandoned mod support long ago. Not only have they not abandoned mod supportable development, they've actually spent significant reasources trying to expand the mod customer base. If there were not significant profits to be found at the end of the road they would not be putting so much effort into getting mods onto consoles.

Edited March 31, 2016 by mac2636