Latvian IP-range is banned or not?

[damncrow]

We have three major ISPs:

 

• LATNET (blocked, including LMT-3G range, Baltcom rides on LATNET)
  
• Lattelecom (blocked, just checked with a friend)
  
• Telia
  

 

Then there's a hundred of smaller ISPs that all buy traffic from these three.

 

That means more than one ISP is involved because the block has been issued to at least two of the major ISPs, having nothing in common whatsoever.

 

Thus, I second the request of the incompetent ISP.

 

 

Regarding the laws not existing - clearly a load of horses***. Which underscores the incompetence of the ISP contacted.

Criminal Law, Chapter XX, Section 243, clauses 2 & 3

Krimināllikums, XX nodaļa, 243. pants, punkti 2 un 3

 

 

This whole thing is being acted on in a very devil-may-care fashion. We can still freely access other Nexus sites, so the point of the block is very moot. Oh wait, I probably shouldn't have told it.

Edited July 19, 2011 by damncrow

[LHammonds]

And he has by far succeeded in doing so. No one wins, everybody loses.

Hard to argue with a Sith Lord who uses absolutes which are inherently incorrect.

 

This whole thing is being acted on in a very devil-may-care fashion.

Just what to you expect from us? We have absolutely no clout with that ISP since we are NOT a paying customer. Just like with any other issue, if YOU have a problem, YOU need to fix it rather than expecting others to do it for you.

 

The problem that the Nexus faced was eventually resolved in the best interest of the Nexus. There was an attempt to try and resolve it in the best interest of all the other ISP customers but it went nowhere.

 

We can still freely access other Nexus sites, so the point of the block is very moot. Oh wait, I probably shouldn't have told it.

Nobody said the guy was smart and all evidence presented showed otherwise.

[damncrow]

What exactly is incorrect about stating "actions of one idiot made whole country lose access to a certain site"?

 

More like you do not want to argue as the single argument I've ever seen is "the only option we had". Isn't that the dealing in absolutes?

 

- Nexus loses a couple of users (not a big deal, users are expendable)

- Nexus has to deal with these users anyway (IP blocks are just an inconvenience)

- The suspect is still walking free, having his desire for a revenge completed

 

Please present your counter-arguments to these statements at your earliest convenience if you can. Or shall I say - your arrogance blinds you, Master Yoda?

 

 

Now - what problem do WE (blocked users) have? Do we need to move abroad? Because we do not have a clout with our direct ISP either. The incompetence of the abuse department of the ISP Nexus has contacted is troubling but cannot be solved by US, whatsoever. As I've stated above, at least two independent major ISPs are involved or the block is simply country-wide to begin with.

 

 

Nexus best interests currently concern me just as much as my best interests seem to concern Nexus staff.

 

- we get zero information from Nexus about the block being issued in the first place

- we get zero information about proceedings of the matter

- we get zero information now about ISP in question

 

I might add once again, that there's more than one ISP involved.

 

 

I've also asked politely in a PM if block could be lifted for my IP exclusively. It has been read. It has not been answered. The block persists. I conclude that the answer is NO in a form of a middle finger up.

 

By constantly telling us about Nexus interests you are basically telling us to fook off already. It's a patently obvious dishonor against users.

 

Nexus took the easy way out. It didn't inform authorities that actually can legally do something. Maybe in your country ISPs do criminal investigations at their leisure, we don't.

 

So a couple of questions I'd still prefer to be answered:

(these are not demands, mind you, I fear that I might be labeled a terrorist soon myself)

 

- Can there be made an exception to the block for my IP (mentioned in the PM), pretty please?

If Yes:

- Can there be made an exception for all other registered Latvian users that have a clear account history?

 

- Can all other registered Latvian users be informed about the block (and the exception, if applicable) to their respective emails?

- Was my IP (mentioned in the PM) involved in the attack even indirectly (so I can see if I may have had an unsecured machine)?

- What is the ISP WE (blocked users) seem to have the problem with?

 

If at least three of these are answered adequately, a sincere thank you follows.

 

That is how I imagine this would need to be solved instead of simple verbal diarrhea to and forth. By all means, being site admins and owners you all can do whatever you please.

[Arthmoor]

The cynic in me thinks there's something more going on here than a few pissed users wanting to get their IPs unblocked, but hey.

 

If you guys have no clout with your ISP, how exactly do you expect Nexus to have any?

 

If the ISP won't cooperate, there's nothing more to be done. Going to the cops and waiting 5 years for them to investigate it isn't a viable option in internet-time.

[damncrow]

Your cynic in you just adds another insult to injury. Don't bother, the very first reply in this topic already makes the impression that Nexus staff suspects us in trickery and clubbing baby seals at our leisure. So, if you have nothing useful to add, please go away.

 

We don't even know the name of the ISP. Everything else has already been said in my previous tl;dr posts.

 

AFAIK, going to cops is the only legal way to solve a crime and it is still being done extensively in what you call internet-time. Do not be ridiculous.

 

My questions remain.

Edited July 19, 2011 by damncrow

[Enyap]

Small country = small market. I would like to see them so high and mighty if such ban screws up a whole bunch of their subscribers. They don't really care that's all.

Hey, if I buy that Premium subscription or whatchacallit will you unban me?

 

Dunno clubbing baby seals sounds like fun :D

Edited July 19, 2011 by Enyap

[nosisab]

Damncrow, you should believe the Nexus has nothing against all those users who participated in the attack (almost all them totally unaware of this, of course, just it does not help solving the problem).

 

So, is a problem for Latvia users to press their ISP to prevent the attacks, meanwhile... blame the real culprits, not the defender.

 

I know I'm only repeating things already told, but some are slow to understand.

[Arthmoor]

We don't even know the name of the ISP. Everything else has already been said in my previous tl;dr posts.

And this, IMO, is the only thing you legitimately have to ask for. I happen to think you've gone about it in a rude, hostile, and generally all around unpleasant way. It shouldn't therefore surprise you if nobody cares to give you what you're asking for.

 

AFAIK, going to cops is the only legal way to solve a crime and it is still being done extensively in what you call internet-time. Do not be ridiculous.

 

Not the only legal way. Banning an ISP from which destructive activity is perfectly legal, and FAR more efficient than waiting on the cops to start an investigation, get the wiretap warrants, send units to the perpetrators' houses to arrest people, and sieze their equipment. This sort of thing takes MONTHS, sometimes years, before the cops will feel they have enough evidence against the correct parties to act on.

 

In the meantime, you propose that Nexus (and pretty much anyone else too) be subject to a continuous barrage of destructive data. So no, I'm not being ridiculous at all.

 

Unless you're implying your police forces don't bother with evidence and warrants, in which case I'd say you have far more pressing issues to deal with than worrying about access to a web forum you don't seem to have trouble reaching anyway.

[Enyap]

Ok but give as a name to press. We don't know which ISP we are supposed to press. I asked here twice to give me some name to try and work with. So far no name is given. As damncrow explained we have 3 major ISP's and a lots of small ones under those 3. I cant just angrily start accusing the guys who actually provide me with service because I cant be sure that they are the same ones who told the owner of this site to go make love with himself. It might be them and it might not be for the reasons stated above. Id love to give a good verbal beating to those ignorant lazy bastards responsible, but I have no clue were to look for them.

[Enyap]

And this, IMO, is the only thing you legitimately have to ask for. I happen to think you've gone about it in a rude, hostile, and generally all around unpleasant way. It shouldn't therefore surprise you if nobody cares to give you what you're asking for.

 

I asked quite politely here a couple of days ago.

It would be nice if someone would finally tell us that party responsible is "Crapnet Inc." and we sent an e-mail to [email protected]. Then I could in my righteous anger do something about it.