Future of EU...

[Harbringe]

I'll mark that up as a non responce, much like the others. As I've stated. People do read these and know the score.

 

 

Not focusing on you in particular .. but "no we don't" . I've said this before when people keep just creating posts of endless quote boxes , it becomes a situation of having to scroll up and down , up and down just to see who said what and at a certain point it just becomes too tiresome (and confusing) trying to figure out who said what. Good rule of thumb if your doing this and its starting to exceed the size of your monitor (top to bottom) your probably already there and need to compact it . Whack whack ... bad people , bad people. :down:

[kvnchrist]

Seems so does John Kerry. He is now saying that even though the people have voted, and made their preference know, the government may simply not do it.

 

So much for democracy eh? "Sure, we want to know what you want, but then, we are going to do what WE want anyway."

John Kerry is the poster child for decisive ambivalence.

[kvnchrist]

 

I'll mark that up as a non responce, much like the others. As I've stated. People do read these and know the score.

 

 

Not focusing on you in particular .. but "no we don't" . I've said this before when people keep just creating posts of endless quote boxes , it becomes a situation of having to scroll up and down , up and down just to see who said what and at a certain point it just becomes too tiresome (and confusing) trying to figure out who said what. Good rule of thumb if your doing this and its starting to exceed the size of your monitor (top to bottom) your probably already there and need to compact it . Whack whack ... bad people , bad people. :down:

 

I hardly ever do that unless i want those who are paying attention to see what both parties are responding to so they can determine for themselves the validity of the comments.

[HeyYou]

 

Seems so does John Kerry. He is now saying that even though the people have voted, and made their preference know, the government may simply not do it.

 

So much for democracy eh? "Sure, we want to know what you want, but then, we are going to do what WE want anyway."

John Kerry is the poster child for decisive ambivalence.

 

I was thinking more along the lines of 'horse-faced idiot', but, yeah, that'll work too. :D

[JimboUK]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am not explaining the basics of parliamentary democracy to you.

 

 

I'm sorry, but what is this supposed to mean? My question was a genuine one, if not the Tories then who exactly? And what are they going to do? Deflecting the question does not change the reality... I thought this was all supposed to be about democracy.

 

 

 

 

You're asking me to state the obvious, what for? the party with the most MPs will replace the party that lost, how hard is that to understand?

 

So simply vote like before and hope the politicians can sort it all out? Some democracy. Personally, I think we might benefit from a less removed and a more equal representation, but I worry that the Tories have managed to muscle out all other parties from standing a chance.

 

 

 

 

Vote for the party that most represents your view, like they do in every other democracy, the difference from now on is that they can't hide behind the EU, they'll also be free to do more, we should see a bigger difference between the parties. The Tories haven't muscled anyone out, people are free to vote for whoever they want, it's not the Tories fault that Labour MPs have declared war on party members and voters.

[sunshinenbrick]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am not explaining the basics of parliamentary democracy to you.

 

 

I'm sorry, but what is this supposed to mean? My question was a genuine one, if not the Tories then who exactly? And what are they going to do? Deflecting the question does not change the reality... I thought this was all supposed to be about democracy.

 

 

 

 

You're asking me to state the obvious, what for? the party with the most MPs will replace the party that lost, how hard is that to understand?

 

So simply vote like before and hope the politicians can sort it all out? Some democracy. Personally, I think we might benefit from a less removed and a more equal representation, but I worry that the Tories have managed to muscle out all other parties from standing a chance.

 

 

 

 

Vote for the party that most represents your view, like they do in every other democracy, the difference from now on is that they can't hide behind the EU, they'll also be free to do more, we should see a bigger difference between the parties. The Tories haven't muscled anyone out, people are free to vote for whoever they want, it's not the Tories fault that Labour MPs have declared war on party members and voters.

 

 

True, true. I agree that there are a bunch of lego heads of all colours coming out of the woodwork now. I would say that the suspiciously manufactured 'split' in the Tory party means they have been able to fence the herd off in almost any direction. But then given the extreme alternatives, perhaps this is actually the 'best' inevitable option. However, it is all at least worth keeping in mind.

[Aurielius]

Given that Labour has more than a 101 seat deficit in terms of a majority and are in a self destructive phase to boot, is it not just a choice of Tory's?

Even if Labour formed a coalition with all the other parties , by my count they still fall short by ten.

[sunshinenbrick]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am not explaining the basics of parliamentary democracy to you.

 

I'm sorry, but what is this supposed to mean? My question was a genuine one, if not the Tories then who exactly? And what are they going to do? Deflecting the question does not change the reality... I thought this was all supposed to be about democracy.

 

 

You're asking me to state the obvious, what for? the party with the most MPs will replace the party that lost, how hard is that to understand?

So simply vote like before and hope the politicians can sort it all out? Some democracy. Personally, I think we might benefit from a less removed and a more equal representation, but I worry that the Tories have managed to muscle out all other parties from standing a chance.

 

 

Vote for the party that most represents your view, like they do in every other democracy, the difference from now on is that they can't hide behind the EU, they'll also be free to do more, we should see a bigger difference between the parties. The Tories haven't muscled anyone out, people are free to vote for whoever they want, it's not the Tories fault that Labour MPs have declared war on party members and voters.

True, true. I agree that there are a bunch of lego heads of all colours coming out of the woodwork now. I would say that the suspiciously manufactured 'split' in the Tory party means they have been able to fence the herd off in almost any direction. But then given the extreme alternatives, perhaps this is actually the 'best' inevitable option. However, it is all at least worth keeping in mind.

Given that Labour has fallen to ridiculously low levels in terms of seats and are in a self destructive phase to boot, is it not just a choice of Tory's?

That is the situation I am suggesting, and it's somewhat ironic I guess. Although I'm not an avid Labour supporter by any means, and perhaps it is actually good for diversifying politics in the long run... but who knows.

[JimboUK]

Given that Labour has more than a 101 seat deficit in terms of a majority and are in a self destructive phase to boot, is it not just a choice of Tory's?

Even if Labour formed a coalition with all the other parties , by my count they still fall short by ten.

 

Labour have so many problems that the party splitting into two is a real possibility, they have a leader who is so terrible they could be wiped out some areas, however that leader enjoys the support of the membership and would win any new leadership election, meanwhile the MPs are still calling those who voted to leave racist, bizarre when it was Labour voters that won it for the leave campaign, they don't seem to realise that hurling abuse at your voters is very likely to make them ex voters. While it is funny to watch the left destroy itself it does leave little in the way of opposition to the Tories, governments with no strong opposition are rarely good.

[sunshinenbrick]

The clever thing is they have managed to flip politics on its head so we don't know down from up or left from right. Now with the removal of Boris they can pitch a diverse right to left agenda while leaving little room on either side for a remotely centrist opposition. In many ways Labour, or whatever the movement becomes, is locked in a waiting game to see which pieces the Tories move next.