On console mods, theft and Bethesda.net

[Lisnpuppy]

Hello.

 

I rarely post on these kind of things but given the content of it and since part of it reflects a situation I'm close to, I felt I had to share my opinion.

First of all, I don't care whether consoles or pcs have mods. What matters is that everyone has fun and that new content keeps getting created, whether for PC or consoles.

With that out of the way, as a mod author myself, I'm quite open to let people use my mods as long as they credit it. Nexus does have several tools at my disposal which allow me to prevent mod thefts from happening in this platform. However, since we're throwing stones at other platforms for their lack of controls, we should also discuss the effectiveness of the tools available in the Nexus. As a title of example, I reported a mod (http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74108/?) over a month ago for stolen assets. The author decided to say it was his, giving permissions for everyone to use it and saying he just wanted help to texture them. As the creator of these assets, all I need is to look at their images to know they are mine, but if there any doubts to clear, the textures in the meshes available are pointing to folders created by my mod (The Uchiha Clan mod). It was the first time I had to report a mod for stolen assets and, so far, I'm not impressed... It should be noted that this file was also reported by several users of the Uchiha Clan and by Omega1084 (co-author), so it wasn't a single report but several that have gone by without any action.

 

Kind regards and hope this helps to create a better Nexus for everyone,

Riddick

i would suggest, since this is not really the place to speak of your specific issue (nor a place to point out the mod in question as moderation is not discussed in the open forums), that you contact moderator, the community manager SirSalami or Dark0ne (I would start with SirSalami) and request information. There is a good deal of information needed in these cases and also the investigation isn't always as quick as one would like. Repeat reports by your or anyone else will not always speed the process. I know you much be frustrated but this is not the place to find out what you need.

 

So, go ahead and send a PM to SirSalami with all the relevant information and I am sure he will find out some info and get back to you asap. Good luck.

[esuriddick]

In response to post #39865535.

Lisnpuppy wrote:

Hello.

I rarely post on these kind of things but given the content of it and since part of it reflects a situation I'm close to, I felt I had to share my opinion.
First of all, I don't care whether consoles or pcs have mods. What matters is that everyone has fun and that new content keeps getting created, whether for PC or consoles.
With that out of the way, as a mod author myself, I'm quite open to let people use my mods as long as they credit it. Nexus does have several tools at my disposal which allow me to prevent mod thefts from happening in this platform. However, since we're throwing stones at other platforms for their lack of controls, we should also discuss the effectiveness of the tools available in the Nexus. As a title of example, I reported a mod (http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/74108/?) over a month ago for stolen assets. The author decided to say it was his, giving permissions for everyone to use it and saying he just wanted help to texture them. As the creator of these assets, all I need is to look at their images to know they are mine, but if there any doubts to clear, the textures in the meshes available are pointing to folders created by my mod (The Uchiha Clan mod). It was the first time I had to report a mod for stolen assets and, so far, I'm not impressed... It should be noted that this file was also reported by several users of the Uchiha Clan and by Omega1084 (co-author), so it wasn't a single report but several that have gone by without any action.

Kind regards and hope this helps to create a better Nexus for everyone,
Riddick

i would suggest, since this is not really the place to speak of your specific issue (nor a place to point out the mod in question as moderation is not discussed in the open forums), that you contact moderator, the community manager SirSalami or Dark0ne (I would start with SirSalami) and request information. There is a good deal of information needed in these cases and also the investigation isn't always as quick as one would like. Repeat reports by your or anyone else will not always speed the process. I know you much be frustrated but this is not the place to find out what you need.

 

So, go ahead and send a PM to SirSalami with all the relevant information and I am sure he will find out some info and get back to you asap. Good luck.

Thank you for the reply. I'm aware that this isn't the forum for something like this, but I wanted to point out that having the tools isn't enough, the tools must also be effective. Once again, I appreciate your answer and thank you for the tips.

EDIT: I sent a private message to SirSalami. Hope things get worked out. Edited June 27, 2016 by esu_riddick

[DrakeTheDragon]

In response to post #39691045. #39692170, #39696940, #39697340, #39706155, #39709705, #39721135, #39721215, #39721375, #39721415, #39727750, #39730905, #39732585, #39732880, #39742935, #39743195, #39743250, #39824740, #39846555, #39846605 are all replies on the same post.

birchconnor834 wrote: Let me first say that I absolutely love the nexus and all it provides for new vegas, fallout 3 and skyrim on my pc but in regards to fallout 4 and all Bethesda games I would have to ask you a question-if Bethesda hadn't released it creation kits and access to game content where would the nexus community be? Answer: NOWHERE every aspect of modding the game comes from the game which BETHESDA CREATED what pc players need to understand is that the time of mods on the pc exclusively is over and the nexus obviously doesn't like this and its understandable because they are afraid they will lose one of there communities and eventually one of the most mod uploaded game for there site all in all pc users including me have to understand that all aspects of the game belong to Bethesda even if you don't agree with it and most importantly stop crying over "stolen mods" unless you trademarked,copyrighted or whatever else way you can claim ownership with they don't belong to you the belong to everyone in the fallout community which should have been every modders first intention when they uploaded there mod to a mod sharing website if you don't want people to "steal it" don't release it, keep it to yourselves, stop crying, and realize nothing is ever yours if you publicly release it

much regards to the nexus and everyone who is apart of it

Pronema wrote: Same can be said about you, with me and your mum. Seriously though. Unless somebody knocked up your mum you wouldn't exist. If your mum was a terrible person that abandoned you after you were born do you really owe her that much for getting knocked up?

Do you belong to me if I was your dad?

Are you supposed to hide in the woods for your entire life so that I guy claiming to be your dad doesn't kidnap you and claim you belong to him? (In case you didn't notice, I made out mod pirates and other content pirates to be pedophiles. Are you stealing and redistributing underage software? :O You pedo you!)

As rude as this post may be I hope I impress upon those who read it that stealing someone's work is not okay. Software or otherwise. And for god's sake, the mods being stolen are already free! You can't even argue about how it's too expensive and you steal them because you can't afford to pay for them, I mean really your argument is complete garbage.

As for trademark/copyright everything on the nexus as well as beth.net already falls under a creative commons licence, ala they are at the point of distribution already filed and legally documented, so you don't seem to understand much about copyright and trademark law and probably shouldn't be making the assumption that legal recourse can't be taken by someone who has uploaded mods here or for that matter any other site.

metaphorset wrote: You are right... well, not completely. The Nexus would still be there because there are still people out here releasing mods for older games. And there are people out there who buy TES and Fallout games not only because they are decent, they do so because they love their modding abilities. I am one of those people and I instantly stop buying the games as soon as they start to restrict the modding possibilities.

I suggest you look up every single video of Todd Howard on youtube, that has been released over the last five years. He seems not getting tired of praising the community and how much Bethesda owes us and on and on and on.

Releasing games that are decent enough to get bought by many people is one thing. Really caring about the community and not only talking about it in some random video is something totally different.

Ethreon wrote: Wonder if people posting such inane ramblings realize nexus is incredibly large and covers over 300 games and won't fail just cause we get console mods.

Wonder if same people realize the textures ones makes with photoshop are not bethesdas, nor are the stories/dialogue one writes in word, nor are the models made in blender/max on which authors work hours upon hours.

Gotta love how "it's free, so I can do whatever I want with it" argument is brought up.

So no, only things belonging to beth are what they made and what I use from their creations. If I made new stuff they're all mine.

So to follow up on the stupid ending - stop crying about what other people can do with their own goods and creations.

wPatriot wrote: Jesus christ. People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to make decisions for themselves.

DrakeTheDragon wrote: It might also help just reading the article once before posting. In this case OP is contradicting what was said like they just didn't read it.

And you should really check your laws again and the ruling of Bethesda. They're all in disagreement with you.

As for that last line, "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it, keep it to yourselves", it might be welcome for you to know about 90% of the authors on here are now seriously considering that option. Just ask around. They've had enough of it.

HermanMODSTER wrote: Dude... did youi read the post?
It´s not about the console/pc war. Or the unawareness of "without Beth no Nexus". Crying about solen mods :).?.?.? That``s something that happend here many times. Modathors used existing mods for theirs hundrets of times.
It´s about does Beth care about it and if why reacting like they did.
Sure you mist this...
I’ll list a few of the common and reasonable reasons for not wanting to share their work either on other sites, or specifically for console users.

The mod author is aware the mod will not work on consoles or could even potentially harm a console, therefore will not port the mod to consoles.
The mod author was actively working on porting their mod to consoles, but it actually required some work to do as they needed to make changes to their mod to accommodate the limits on mods and ensure it was as efficient as possible for console users.
The author prides themselves on being able to tell their users it’s been optimised as much as possible, but sadly doesn’t own a console and doesn’t want to buy a console to ensure that same quality is also evident on consoles.
In the same vein, it’s hard to fix bugs specific to console mods if you don’t actually own the console and can’t test it yourself. The author doesn’t want to release a mod they can’t actively support.
The mod wouldn’t actually be allowed on Bethesda.net due to the content of the mod conflicting with their mod uploading rules.
The author doesn’t want to manage their mods in multiple locations on multiple sites and prefers to keep everything in one place, on one site.
The author has made use of other user’s assets, with legal permission to do so, and therefore cannot grant others the right to share that work without first getting permission from the original creator of the work that may or may not be possible.
The author doesn’t like Bethesda.net/Nexus Mods/whatever site we’re talking about so refuses to use it.
Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.

HermanMODSTER wrote: :)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all. :):):)

HermanMODSTER wrote: Mod authors make mods for themselves first, and you second. If the second part, you, becomes too much of a problem for them, they’ll simply not want to share them with you at all.
:):):)
SPAM IN U R F.A.C.E

jeyjs wrote: they can be relaced, also all we need is someone to let sony, microsoft and the console mod downloaders know that the script extender is being implanted into mods on purpouse by cyber bullys, as a revenge tactic to hack sonys and xboxes game system and cause damage to gamefiles. sony will then use thire lawyers to bann the script extender. it will cause fear and fans of console will realize that they can call thire console manufacture. then the moding community can be destroyed like birchconnor834 and the other pc only authers wants it to be.
console supporters and console moders would live on and we can tell the tale of how biggoted the pc master group was and how you were a part of the hate.

birchconnor834 wrote: I want to say I didn't read any of your comments because I know how butt hurt all you pc players and mod authors are and I know you premium douchebags just love to hate on anything that is anti-pc or anti-nexus because your their little bitches and I can tell that everyone is so invested in posting on the forms and paying for a useless membership instead of living in the real world, buy hey at least you have porn and the nexus to jerk you off

lmccloud wrote: Birchconnor834,

I am a writer. If I put my work out there, and someone decides to use any aspect of it without giving me credit, I have grounds to sue. It's MY creation. I may have used MS Office, but it's MY work. MS doesn't own any of it. (Lesson here: Plagiarism is illegal)

In essence--what was said in the above article, if you had bothered to read it--is that despite it being free, despite the base product belonging to Bethesda, that little bit of software/mod belongs to the author. NOT Bethesda. Your statement about "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it" is inaccurate and ignorant. (Lesson here: Theft is still theft even if it's free)

Also, punctuation is your friend. Learn to use it.

Sincerely,

A faithful mod loving user who is ever so greatful for other people sharing their creativity :)

filechick wrote: I don't think I have ever seen a better example of someone making an ass out of themselves then your comments to this article (of which you clearly didn't read).

HermanMODSTER wrote: you finished with the words :
much regards to the nexus and everyone who is apart of it
next reply is your their little bitches blablabla
Let it be. We know people like you. You are easy to determine for their posts "cry" so loud even a deaf person could hear it.
Cooling fires placed in forums is much more work than try to set them. So again please let it be.

HermanMODSTER wrote: would be very happy this gets removed it is so insulting

HermanMODSTER wrote: gave kudos for caling everyone "their bitches"

misanthropic79 wrote: "As for that last line, "if you don't want people to 'steal it' don't release it, keep it to yourselves", it might be welcome for you to know about 90% of the authors on here are now seriously considering that option. Just ask around. They've had enough of it."

That would be a sad day indeed, my heart sank just reading it! Hopefully it doesn't come to that as most of us here at the Nexus are good citizens and it'd be a shame for the majority to be punished for the sins of a few. It's a knee jerk solution to a problem that happens far too often as it is.

I totally understand their frustration but there's gotta be a more reasoned solution to this, surely?

DeusCognito wrote: Amen, they've turned soooo entitled it's not even funny, but that's the common attitude in this Country, so I guess we'll get the same BS in gaming community's. Bethesda is going to get tired of this eventually and start charging subscription fees

DeusCognito wrote: This s#*! isn't even as close to intelligent as you like to think, completely different subjects are never comparable, as from someone who has had their mother abandon them, this is quite the smack in the face, don't type what you haven't experienced

That would be a sad day indeed, my heart sank just reading it! Hopefully it doesn't come to that as most of us here at the Nexus are good citizens and it'd be a shame for the majority to be punished for the sins of a few. It's a knee jerk solution to a problem that happens far too often as it is.

I totally understand their frustration but there's gotta be a more reasoned solution to this, surely?

Well, I only said they are considering. I can't look into their heads or read their thoughts, so I don't know what each individual one will decide on in the end. But the mere fact so many are thinking about it right now is more than enough reason for me to be alarmed. They were never questioning their decision to share before in that large a scale. This alone should be telling already.

I'm not preaching doom or the end of the world, but it might as well be the end of the world "as we know it", for without a huge number of authors, or with only select few authors still feeling absolutely fine and joyous to share, it will definitely be a lot worse than what we're used to now.

Ultimately authors are the better people sadly. The same reason that makes them share all this hard work for nothing will also be responsible for them very often deciding to their own disadvantage. These people are just too good at heart for their own good. And some will definitely keep sharing, even if it kills them.

But do not be fooled for even a second to believe this is a fixed condition to stay for eternity. Everybody has their limits, these people's limits are coming closer to being reached one and another every day now.

And how is it "punishment", if they can't take it any longer or it makes no longer sense for them to keep sharing? Shouldn't you be understanding of their decision rather than to call it "a knee-jerk solution"? They got burned too often, they've been injured beyond what they can take, they either burn out and die or step away and quit sharing their mods. Don't tell me honestly that your preferred choice is the first?

There is a more reasoned solution to this, of course. It is in you all's own hands to make them decide for you, to show them, if they stay, the benefits will outweigh the harm. As of right now, according to what I read, this doesn't seem to be what they see. So go ahead and help making it so.

Silence the offenders with overpowering voices of appreciation. You may not be able to make them shut up, but can make it so their dribble is no longer to be seen, drowned inside a flood of positivity from your end, up to the point these people will forget it ever was there.

Stop the nonsense offensive postings telling what rights they don't have, how justified the mod piracy is, or how much it isn't an issue at all. Stop the senseless bickerers with their babbling about this being some mysterious PC vs. console thing when it clearly is not. Make it known this isn't a matter of author "entitlement" or "selfishness" but just sheer "disrespect" from the mod pirates' and their supporters' side killing off all desire to share.

There's really not much that makes them share, and, like everybody and their mothers repeatedly keeps telling them inside here, there's also nothing for them to gain from doing it. If these people manage too destroy the last thing that makes these authors want to share, who in their right mind can honestly begrudge them for deciding to quit?

And the likewise people claiming there'd always be others and that every author can always be replaced, that's of course not helping either. For they forget entirely they're creating an environment where nobody will even want to replace them to begin with.

On one hand they say the authors are nothing special, they aren't different at all to other people, and there's many like them who are the exact same. On the other hand they claim the people going to come after them will somehow mysteriously be completely different and not have the same reluctance preventing them from even beginning to share. It just does not compute.

[HybridEclipse]

In response to post #39846420.

DeusCognito wrote: I can't see their decision as ignorant as they're the professionals, and seeing how they've made millions off their products, and how you're still sitting at home, only making mods. Also, no one would "have mods since Morrowind" if they didn't give you the materials to freely do so. Be careful, they will get tired of your communities' entitled bullshit and start charging subscription fees.

Sorry, but... are you for real? The millions they make off their products is because they create things that are supposed to make people have fun, not end up frustrated because their creation gets stolen by some random douchebag. Oh, and if I wasn't "still sitting at home, only making mods", then all the wonderful stuff that is being hosted on sites such as Nexus Mods, which for some people is the only reason they are still playing certain games, you wouldn't have ANY of it. All of this was made by the community, and many of these games were able to stay alive because of it. You would be a fool to think otherwise...And a last thing. The only person who needs to be careful are Bethesda, because fun sells, but anger, dissapointment and frustration doesn't. Start charging subscription fees you say? HA.HA.HA. If they are able to withstand the reaction of the players, who, let me remind you, are the very people from which bethesda got their millions of dollars, then let them go on ahead and do it.

[qoq]

TL; DR.

Poor moderation @ Bethesda.net results in pissing off mod community.

Bad way to set up Creation Kit usage;Next!

 

The dialogue system may not can be modded to make fun mods.

 

Furthermore after latest "patch" textures are glitched and more CTDs.Fantastic!

Edited June 28, 2016 by qoq

[BitMage]

It's cool that you can add your console links as mirrors to you mods' data. But, while you're at it, why not let me add the PC link as another mirror?

[Renegade79]

In response to post #39846420. #39895285 is also a reply to the same post.

DeusCognito wrote: I can't see their decision as ignorant as they're the professionals, and seeing how they've made millions off their products, and how you're still sitting at home, only making mods. Also, no one would "have mods since Morrowind" if they didn't give you the materials to freely do so. Be careful, they will get tired of your communities' entitled bullshit and start charging subscription fees.

HybridEclipse wrote: Sorry, but... are you for real? The millions they make off their products is because they create things that are supposed to make people have fun, not end up frustrated because their creation gets stolen by some random douchebag. Oh, and if I wasn't "still sitting at home, only making mods", then all the wonderful stuff that is being hosted on sites such as Nexus Mods, which for some people is the only reason they are still playing certain games, you wouldn't have ANY of it. All of this was made by the community, and many of these games were able to stay alive because of it. You would be a fool to think otherwise...And a last thing. The only person who needs to be careful are Bethesda, because fun sells, but anger, dissapointment and frustration doesn't. Start charging subscription fees you say? HA.HA.HA. If they are able to withstand the reaction of the players, who, let me remind you, are the very people from which bethesda got their millions of dollars, then let them go on ahead and do it.

RLY? Bethesda did give us GECK or CK i've used only once for my optional tweak for Magnus Staff mod that's entirely 3ds Max/Nifskope model thang, and Nifskope, 3ds Max/Blender plugins or Material Editor are mods too. So as said Zenimax ain't even granted license to the stuff. Maybe someone would care to port my mods to xboxone if I let it, but I don't want them on PS4, because them Sony don't want me to play Infamous Second Son on PC. I even doubt xbox one models are in any way compatible with those SMIM models for Skyrim or even my transparent bottle thang for FO4 besides the fact consoles couldn't handle them due to hardware limitations (i'd bet $5 on xbones 16 ROPs melting the console on sight with 4 layers of blending anyway. They'd die with 5 fps even in 720p so if I 'optimize' my mod to work there I get LOL vanilla bottles... AMD at their best and basically that's why those bulbs in the Nucleus are so low poly and that explains why they only have one side ... have a nive tree sap). I even wonder if remastered Skyrim could even work with old nif format but even if it does that doesn't mean consoles can handle models meant for mid range cards of the year 2011. So PC master race still has their point in being so arrogant towards those poor consoles. They maybe have their reasons Edited June 28, 2016 by Renegade79

[Dammal19]

I shouldn't read those news posts, Im getting more and more upset about how Beteshda treats its gaming community >_>

[Rizamon]

This is why a lot of content creators left Second Life - lack of support from Linden Labs - when player created content was (and still is) blazenly stolen and reuploaded as their own. Their main response is to file a DMCA form.

 

 

[jcstay]

Great post. I have to say, it's sad to see Bethesda not standing up to what is right. I'm sure they will crap there pants if they hear people are pirating there games. Hell I'm sure they will call all there lowers.

Come on Bethesda, you used to be the best game publishing studio and looked out for the gaming community. What happened to you?