Irony of Post-War America

[charwo]

 

One should never confuse Communism with communes. Village life predated Communism and has nothing to do with the Vangaurd of the Prolitariat that is the hallmark of all Leninist parties, including the CCP. There is no Prolitariat in the post war Fallout universe, save in NCR and maybe the Pitt (assuming the cure worked out).

 

Incidently, fear of Communism was well justified. The Chinese shot the nukes off. While I'm sure the post war Enclave would do the same, I'm not sure the pre-war Enclave would. They saw an oppurtunity in nuclear annihilation yes but they never took that final step, not in 11 years of World War III. Chairman Chang did.

No one knows who launched the nukes first. It may not have been either the Chinese or America

 

That's simply not true. In Black Mountain it's confirmed. President Richardson, who never lies once, says it was the Chinese. More importantly, the Americans had

Driven the Chinese out of Alaska

Campaigned in the Gobi

Attacked and held the Yangtze Delta

and were sieging Beijing

 

If there were storming the Marco Polo Bridge, and this was when the nukes were launched as per Fallout 2, the Americans had won the war conventionally. There was zero reason for the US to launch and every reason for the Chinese to.

[DoctorKaizeld]

 

 

One should never confuse Communism with communes. Village life predated Communism and has nothing to do with the Vangaurd of the Prolitariat that is the hallmark of all Leninist parties, including the CCP. There is no Prolitariat in the post war Fallout universe, save in NCR and maybe the Pitt (assuming the cure worked out).

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Incidently, fear of Communism was well justified. The Chinese shot the nukes off. While I'm sure the post war Enclave would do the same, I'm not sure the pre-war Enclave would. They saw an oppurtunity in nuclear annihilation yes but they never took that final step, not in 11 years of World War III. Chairman Chang did.

 

No one knows who launched the nukes first. It may not have been either the Chinese or America

That's simply not true. In Black Mountain it's confirmed. President Richardson, who never lies once, says it was the Chinese. More importantly, the Americans had

Driven the Chinese out of Alaska

Campaigned in the Gobi

Attacked and held the Yangtze Delta

and were sieging Beijing

If there were storming the Marco Polo Bridge, and this was when the nukes were launched as per Fallout 2, the Americans had won the war conventionally. There was zero reason for the US to launch and every reason for the Chinese to.

Your claim is only partly right but is beaten by one simple fact which is that cannon states no one actually knows. I also know that the American president who has never left an oil rig and didnt exist when the bombs fell and bases his facts on most likely edited and false information is not a good scource. Also the offical wiki backs that:

"2077: At some point, one of the nuclear powers began launching nuclear weapons. This resulted in a massive retaliatory response that culminated in the Great War on October 23, 2077"

 

Also i did say it was possible neither of them launched first. As cannon states it could have been any nuclear power.

Edited August 25, 2016 by qwertyzeldar

[TrickyVein]

 

As cannon states

 

[DoctorKaizeld]

 

As cannon states

 

... Well played good sir

[Zaklex55]

There's canon and then there's cannon...the question then becomes which is more powerful or believable.

[DoctorKaizeld]

Obviously it cant be cannon as i dont believe a tube can launch metal balls at high speed. Totally unbelievable

[mkborgelt13]

Kind of an aside but does anyone else find the entries in Boston Bugle and the Switchboard termials really cool?

 

Especially the Switchboard, they were sending/receiving messages about the impending strike as it was happening, "multiple birds in the air", probably meaning either ICBM missiles or aircraft with nuclear payload.

 

The whole ICBM missile submarine has cool vibes, like Hunt for Red October. Pre-war Navy must have been having lots of sleepless nights trying to track the Chinese subs.

 

And then the Boston Bugle, where the article states how the government basically left the capitol, retreated to Control Station Enclave. All the food riots and stuff. Very nice backdrop detailing.

 

And the Vault-Tec rep in the beginning, he seems to have some inside information. He is absolutely convinced the strike is going to happen, and soon at that. How did he know? How much did Vault-Tec know? So on.

[DoctorKaizeld]

Kind of an aside but does anyone else find the entries in Boston Bugle and the Switchboard termials really cool?

 

Especially the Switchboard, they were sending/receiving messages about the impending strike as it was happening, "multiple birds in the air", probably meaning either ICBM missiles or aircraft with nuclear payload.

 

The whole ICBM missile submarine has cool vibes, like Hunt for Red October. Pre-war Navy must have been having lots of sleepless nights trying to track the Chinese subs.

 

And then the Boston Bugle, where the article states how the government basically left the capitol, retreated to Control Station Enclave. All the food riots and stuff. Very nice backdrop detailing.

 

And the Vault-Tec rep in the beginning, he seems to have some inside information. He is absolutely convinced the strike is going to happen, and soon at that. How did he know? How much did Vault-Tec know? So on.

one of my many gripes with the game (and the biggest reason i have issues with it) is that everything starts really cool like that... but nothing really comes from it. we don't get a lot of the good stuff like that we only get some minor surface stuff. in previous games you were able to piece these things together and find out the details through terminal entries and documents as well as how a room was laid out and deduce the events that filled the gaps. in this game though we get a bunch of computers with boring inventory lists and only surface stuff. most of it is either obvious or doesnt have any other information form else where. most places dont connect to each other unless it has a quest around it. i've seen several people state that large parts of the werent really visited after completing most of the main quests. really is quite annoying...

[RattleAndGrind]

 

Kind of an aside but does anyone else find the entries in Boston Bugle and the Switchboard termials really cool?

 

Especially the Switchboard, they were sending/receiving messages about the impending strike as it was happening, "multiple birds in the air", probably meaning either ICBM missiles or aircraft with nuclear payload.

 

The whole ICBM missile submarine has cool vibes, like Hunt for Red October. Pre-war Navy must have been having lots of sleepless nights trying to track the Chinese subs.

 

And then the Boston Bugle, where the article states how the government basically left the capitol, retreated to Control Station Enclave. All the food riots and stuff. Very nice backdrop detailing.

 

And the Vault-Tec rep in the beginning, he seems to have some inside information. He is absolutely convinced the strike is going to happen, and soon at that. How did he know? How much did Vault-Tec know? So on.

one of my many gripes with the game (and the biggest reason i have issues with it) is that everything starts really cool like that... but nothing really comes from it. we don't get a lot of the good stuff like that we only get some minor surface stuff. in previous games you were able to piece these things together and find out the details through terminal entries and documents as well as how a room was laid out and deduce the events that filled the gaps. in this game though we get a bunch of computers with boring inventory lists and only surface stuff. most of it is either obvious or doesnt have any other information form else where. most places dont connect to each other unless it has a quest around it. i've seen several people state that large parts of the werent really visited after completing most of the main quests. really is quite annoying...

 

 

Having played other Fallout games, I approached this game with a certain level of expectation. Because of those expectations, I have come away disappointed. And I suspect that I am not alone.

 

However, someone who comes to the Fallout games for the first time does not have those expectations, so they will not be too disappointed. Their joy of discovery is fresh and new and they fall in love with the game. It's the next game that will disappoint them, just as this one has disappointed me.

 

Nice aside.

[DoctorKaizeld]

 

Having played other Fallout games, I approached this game with a certain level of expectation. Because of those expectations, I have come away disappointed. And I suspect that I am not alone.

agreed.

 

 

However, someone who comes to the Fallout games for the first time does not have those expectations, so they will not be too disappointed. Their joy of discovery is fresh and new and they fall in love with the game. It's the next game that will disappoint them, just as this one has disappointed me.

agreed again. kinda the main reason i dont say i hate the game. it isnt a bad game by itself... but as part of a great franchise that i have spent waaay to much time playing it is very disappointing.