Which faction is the best for humanity?

[JackTrenton]

The Institute undoubtedly has the best technology and scientific/engineering/technical knowledge. But they deem themselves superior and work to replace humans with synths. If their knowledge and resources could be applied to help the commonwealth then they could revolutionize humanity, but as it stands I believe they are wrong with their superior attitudes, apathy for those on the surface, and desire to replace humans with synths

 

The brotherhood is an obstacle to progress. They hoard technology, resources and knowledge that could help humanity greatly, just like the institute. I believe they do so to consolidate power. They are like locusts, using force, taking indiscriminately, and preying on the people. They are techno-military fascists

 

The railroad puts the welfare of synths before people. That is evident by desdemona's refusal to Deacons request to help people and by allowing a synth to lead the raiders of libertalia. No progress for humanity under them

 

The minutemen are the least advanced, but they are the only faction that truly cares about the people. They are willing to risk life and limb against anything just to protect citizens from harm. They even care about the well being of institute scientists. I believe they are the only faction that can provide the freedom that humans need to live in happiness and advance civilization. The best outcome is to incorporate the institute's knowledge and resources into that vision, whether by protecting the exiled scientists after the nuclear option or by leading both groups after an institute playthrough

[mkborgelt13]

Out of all of them, I think the Minutemen are the best, but the face the most difficulties. If the Institute hadn't sabotaged their organization way back in the day, they'd be better off. With the sole survivor's intervention, they can probably get the grounding and resources needed.

 

BoS is just weird... remind me of "Duty" faction from S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games. Kill everything, confiscate everything. Such contrarians. And yet, they seem to contradict themselves by fetishizing technology. If someone could explain the BoS I'd appreciate it, because they don't make much sense to me.

 

Same goes for the Institute. Their solution to helping people is to replace them with fake people? Rebuild civilization according to their own rules? Civilization occurs naturally over time, you cannot plan it and grow it in a dish. Look at all the failed ideologies in real life history where a minority tried to impose a culture or civilization onto a group of people (RSFSR, Nazi's,, etc).

Edited August 23, 2016 by mkborgelt13

[Mavkiel]

Out of all of them, I think the Minutemen are the best, but the face the most difficulties. If the Institute hadn't sabotaged their organization way back in the day, they'd be better off. With the sole survivor's intervention, they can probably get the grounding and resources needed.

 

BoS is just weird... remind me of "Duty" faction from S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games. Kill everything, confiscate everything. Such contrarians. And yet, they seem to contradict themselves by fetishizing technology. If someone could explain the BoS I'd appreciate it, because they don't make much sense to me.

 

Same goes for the Institute. Their solution to helping people is to replace them with fake people? Rebuild civilization according to their own rules? Civilization occurs naturally over time, you cannot plan it and grow it in a dish. Look at all the failed ideologies in real life history where a minority tried to impose a culture or civilization onto a group of people (RSFSR, Nazi's,, etc).

 

BoS believes tech needs to be controlled. If you know about the fallout universe its easy to see why they hold that viewpoint.

 

Pre-war abuses of tech were rather rampant. Brains harvested from prisoners of war, and political dissidents. Super weapons like liberty prime. Genetic experiments on other humans creating the first super mutants. Then lastly the nuclear war. So, if they see tech they deem dangerous, they either take it or destroy it. Their stance on ghouls is a tad more problematic. That being said, not encountered a single instance of them murdering non-feral ghouls. *shrugs* But then again I haven't bothered to finish the main plot of fallout 4.

 

Institute - Well, you can just turn on the real life news and view various groups that want to change the world for the 'better', by any means possible. Little realizing that the methods being used are counterproductive. That is the only way I can think of their group making sense, because otherwise abducting/murdering people and littering the wasteland with super-mutants is flat out nuts.

[Boombro]

imo mm are not the best for humanity, the good for the common wealth, but they dont give anything, not great power, not great wealth, teach, resources. They bring nothing but order and a way for the people to unite and feel a bit safer. I don't see how can they save humanity or bring it greatness.

They will make the CW safer and more lawful, maybe help someone advancing it. But alone, they can't do much.


Anyhow, the answer is in the game. Via mama pot head.


Here is what she says for each faction after the main quest. Credits to fallout wiki.

 

 

Quote

“
You're wearing a lab coat. You're standing with... men of science. Visionaries. Brilliant but misunderstood. I see a land marked up, like a great experiment. Each test a new beginning. Each sacrifice an acceptable loss. You will not be loved, but you will save humanity. However you choose to define it.
”— Refers to The Institute
“
You're wearing a suit of steel and energy. You're standing with... your brothers. Your mission. Accomplished. I see a land secured, contained. Dangerous objects taken from those who don't understand. Those who can't be trusted. You are the uniform, and you wear it well. And your rank and chain of command protect you better than the thickest armor.
”— Refers to the Brotherhood of Steel.
“
You're wearing a mask. You're standing with... outcasts. The underdogs. The lanterns in the dark. I see a world that will never know your sacrifice. You have led the enslaved to freedom, but they must still hide from those who don't understand. But you'll be there for them. You'll see their humanity when no one else will. You'll be their guardian in the shadows.
”— Refers to The Railroad.
“
You're standing with... the people. Working together. United. I see a land filled with hope again. Fear falls away as the brave step forward to join the ranks. You're a hero. A symbol for a better world. Our world.

 

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Edited August 23, 2016 by Boombro

[mkborgelt13]

 

Out of all of them, I think the Minutemen are the best, but the face the most difficulties. If the Institute hadn't sabotaged their organization way back in the day, they'd be better off. With the sole survivor's intervention, they can probably get the grounding and resources needed.

 

BoS is just weird... remind me of "Duty" faction from S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games. Kill everything, confiscate everything. Such contrarians. And yet, they seem to contradict themselves by fetishizing technology. If someone could explain the BoS I'd appreciate it, because they don't make much sense to me.

 

Same goes for the Institute. Their solution to helping people is to replace them with fake people? Rebuild civilization according to their own rules? Civilization occurs naturally over time, you cannot plan it and grow it in a dish. Look at all the failed ideologies in real life history where a minority tried to impose a culture or civilization onto a group of people (RSFSR, Nazi's,, etc).

 

BoS believes tech needs to be controlled. If you know about the fallout universe its easy to see why they hold that viewpoint.

 

Pre-war abuses of tech were rather rampant. Brains harvested from prisoners of war, and political dissidents. Super weapons like liberty prime. Genetic experiments on other humans creating the first super mutants. Then lastly the nuclear war. So, if they see tech they deem dangerous, they either take it or destroy it. Their stance on ghouls is a tad more problematic. That being said, not encountered a single instance of them murdering non-feral ghouls. *shrugs* But then again I haven't bothered to finish the main plot of fallout 4.

 

Institute - Well, you can just turn on the real life news and view various groups that want to change the world for the 'better', by any means possible. Little realizing that the methods being used are counterproductive. That is the only way I can think of their group making sense, because otherwise abducting/murdering people and littering the wasteland with super-mutants is flat out nuts.

 

 

Yes, I know that. What I don't understand is how they hypocritically use the same tech they condemn for destroying the old world. It's like they say, "Nobody should use tech -- except us. We are the only ones capable of using it responsibly."

 

I won't want to spoil anything for you, but consider this...

-They don't dump Liberty Prime in the ocean, to ensure it cannot be used again.

-They don't bury the M42 Fatman shells recovered from Ft. Strong, despite having knowledge such reckless use of atomic weapons ending civilisation. According to Maxson "They are an important part of our arsenal."

-They continue their hypocrisy when they take interest in the contents of that pyramid in the Glowing Sea.

-They arrive in a giant flammable blimp, basically Hindenberg Mk. 2 waiting to happen, kept aloft in part by 3 giant hydrogen balloons.

-Anyone who stands in their way gets blown up by guys in anti-tank armor.

 

Ghouls weren't created directly through abuse of technology, they are an unforeseen byproduct, and yet they hate them blindly.

 

BoS feels like a club of guys who like big guns and expensive toys, running around under banners of "humanity!", with this pseudo-religious attitude that is off-putting and seems disconnected from everyone else.

 

 

Yeah, that's my thoughts on the institute too. Don't see how their "Mankind Redefined" corporate slogan has any relevance topside. They are in an ivory basement, instead of an ivory tower.

 

I'm replaying it right now and will pay closer attention to whatever these guys spout..

 

Edit:

BoS would make a lot more sense if they behaved like the characters in the Dune books. There, they had problems with dependency on digital machines. So they banned them, everything is analogue. BoS should, according to their beliefs, not use atomic energy at all. But they do, quite often.

Edited August 23, 2016 by mkborgelt13

[Boombro]

 

Ghouls weren't created directly through abuse of technology, they are an unforeseen byproduct, and yet they hate them blindly.

I thought the wanted humans and not other "Races." and had nothing to do with tech and more as "we don't want freaks?"

 

 

 

BoS would make a lot more sense if they behaved like the characters in the Dune books. There, they had problems with dependency on digital machines. So they banned them, everything is analogue. BoS should, according to their beliefs, not use atomic energy at all. But they do, quite often.

Quite true, but wouldn't that weaken them greatly?

 

I mean, they want to fight ghouls, SM and other "evils.". Why use normal weaponry, when you can use stronger suite of gear if i was sure i was trained to use it responsibly if it gonna help our cause? Like law enforcement and fire arms?

 

I dont' agree with the BoS, but doing so seems logical and very benefiting to me. Getting rid of powerful armory and not use it when wanting to fight many battles seems like a huge waste and quite idiotic imo.

[Wunderbot]

 

Yes, I know that. What I don't understand is how they hypocritically use the same tech they condemn for destroying the old world. It's like they say, "Nobody should use tech -- except us. We are the only ones capable of using it responsibly."

 

 

You're approaching them as a bystander. As somebody from the outside just watching the story unfold, it's easy to see the errors in their logic. But try to imagine the Brotherhood in the real world. As much as we like to think we are, humans are not perfectionally rational beings. Hypocrisy is a part of us. How many hypocrits have you known to suddenly change their ways just because you pointed out their hypocrisy to them? That's pretty much the whole point of the Brotherhood: they're elitist douchebags. They believe that they're the only ones who can be trusted with technology. They don't want to end all technology, they're still very much in favour of a technologically advanced society. They just don't believe that anyone but themselves can be trusted with that technology. And from that same arrogance comes their hate for ghouls and mutants. It's just a good old superiority complex. It also shows in their treatment of innocents. They don't consider other humans equals. They consider them weaklings that need the Brotherhood to guide them.

 

I personally chose Minutemen. After everything that's happened in the Fallout universe, humanity needs to rebuild at a slower pace and not just try to rush things back to how they were. The Minutemen genuinely care about humanity and protecting the innocent and their only failure we know of is when some of them didn't answer the call for help from Quincy, which isn't exactly something evil, just the very much human reaction that they didn't want to die. The Minutemen won't help humanity advance scientifically, but they do create the safe and stable environment that society and science need to prosper.

 

I think the Institute did at one point have noble intentions, but they've developed tunnel vision and now just care about science for science's sake. They claim to still work for the betterment of humanity, but it has become some hypothetical humanity, not the actual humans living above ground.

 

The Railroad has a role to play, but they shouldn't become the main player. Once the production of synths has been halted through the destruction of the Institute, they literally have no purpose left. Their goal has been achieved and it's time for them to move on, because they have no plan to offer humanity on how to rebuild society.

 

The Brotherhood also has a role to play, but they don't play it well. They should follow the Followers of the Apocalypse model. Gathering technology and keeping it safe but also teaching others and showing them how to safely and responsibly use this technology. Instead the Brotherhood just hoard everything.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Wunderbot

[mkborgelt13]

 

 

Yes, I know that. What I don't understand is how they hypocritically use the same tech they condemn for destroying the old world. It's like they say, "Nobody should use tech -- except us. We are the only ones capable of using it responsibly."

 

 

You're approaching them as a bystander. As somebody from the outside just watching the story unfold, it's easy to see the errors in their logic. But try to imagine the Brotherhood in the real world. As much as we like to think we are, humans are not perfectionally rational beings. Hypocrisy is a part of us. How many hypocrits have you known to suddenly change their ways just because you pointed out their hypocrisy to them? That's pretty much the whole point of the Brotherhood: they're elitist douchebags. They believe that they're the only ones who can be trusted with technology. They don't want to end all technology, they're still very much in favour of a technologically advanced society. They just don't believe that anyone but themselves can be trusted with that technology. And from that same arrogance comes their hate for ghouls and mutants. It's just a good old superiority complex. It also shows in their treatment of innocents. They don't consider other humans equals. They consider them weaklings that need the Brotherhood to guide them.

 

I personally chose Minutemen. After everything that's happened in the Fallout universe, humanity needs to rebuild at a slower pace and not just try to rush things back to how they were. The Minutemen genuinely care about humanity and protecting the innocent and their only failure we know of is when some of them didn't answer the call for help from Quincy, which isn't exactly something evil, just the very much human reaction that they didn't want to die. The Minutemen won't help humanity advance scientifically, but they do create the safe and stable environment that society and science need to prosper.

 

I think the Institute did at one point have noble intentions, but they've developed tunnel vision and now just care about science for science's sake. They claim to still work for the betterment of humanity, but it has become some hypothetical humanity, not the actual humans living above ground.

 

The Railroad has a role to play, but they shouldn't become the main player. Once the production of synths has been halted through the destruction of the Institute, they literally have no purpose left. Their goal has been achieved and it's time for them to move on, because they have no plan to offer humanity on how to rebuild society.

 

The Brotherhood also has a role to play, but they don't play it well. They should follow the Followers of the Apocalypse model. Gathering technology and keeping it safe but also teaching others and showing them how to safely and responsibly use this technology. Instead the Brotherhood just hoard everything.

 

 

That makes a lot of sense and I agree.

 

 

 

 

Ghouls weren't created directly through abuse of technology, they are an unforeseen byproduct, and yet they hate them blindly.

I thought the wanted humans and not other "Races." and had nothing to do with tech and more as "we don't want freaks?"

 

 

 

BoS would make a lot more sense if they behaved like the characters in the Dune books. There, they had problems with dependency on digital machines. So they banned them, everything is analogue. BoS should, according to their beliefs, not use atomic energy at all. But they do, quite often.

Quite true, but wouldn't that weaken them greatly?

 

I mean, they want to fight ghouls, SM and other "evils.". Why use normal weaponry, when you can use stronger suite of gear if i was sure i was trained to use it responsibly if it gonna help our cause? Like law enforcement and fire arms?

 

I dont' agree with the BoS, but doing so seems logical and very benefiting to me. Getting rid of powerful armory and not use it when wanting to fight many battles seems like a huge waste and quite idiotic imo.

 

 

Yes it does... guess it's an 'ends justify the means' thing.

[CiderMuffin]

Well to be fair none of them are trying to really advance humanity as a whole, save maybe the Minutemen.

 

BoS are trying to protect humanity from the mistakes of the past, Institute's idea of humanity is focused around themselves and self-centered, Railroad only really cares about freeing Synths.

 

The only BoS I'd really trust to rule over anything is the Midwestern BoS from tactics in their neutral ending so unless the East Coast BoS end up like that I think it's better they just become a political faction that acts as an advisor on technology, the East Coast is also not looking to rule over humanity nor anything really. Minutemen on the other hand is trying to found settlements and safe havens for innocent people, they're trying to build a new life and create something that lasts.

 

So for humanity in the Commonwealth I'd say a BoS-Minutemen alliance where the BoS just becomes advisors and help deal with hostile forces.

 

 

Alternatively, raiders with Institute help.

 

 

With Nuka World I can see at least one of the raider groups in it (Operators) being a force that can reform. The Operators are essentially like the Gunners, Mercenary Raiders who are only in it for the caps, now this can serve to build a merc army that could actually help trading and settlements and I've been thinking up a Operator-Institute alliance where the Institute under the rule of the Sole Survivor just completely moves out from under CIT and moves into Galactic Zone in Nuka World and builds up a new center of science with the Operators bringing in caps, resources and trade to the point that Nuka World slowly becomes a center of research and trade in the wasteland, eventually becoming a giant golden city in the east coast wastelands with the surrounding desert changing into vibrant farmlands. A utopia.

 

[zc123]

If one of the Lyons had remained eastern brotherhood elder then they would likely get my vote as they tended to want to help people.

 

However since both Lyons have died I would say it all depends.

 

Do you mean humanity in general or just a specific group ? And do you care about scientific progress.

 

If its just humanity in general and you don't care about progress then the Minute Men are the best.