Some concerns about the community

[Nilanius]

Forgive me if this is the wrong forum, but I figured this would probably be feedback. But I have some concerns in regards to what is happening over on a mod reviewers channel I been seeing in relations to a mod author here on Nexus. I worry it is going to cause a bad rift within the community and harm other mod reviewers channels as well. I speak of MxR and the mod author here on Nexus which I will not name.

 

I find a lot of mods I put in my load order through many different mod reviewer channels and MxR is one of my favorites. However he last night released a video also addressing everyone's call out for him to dispute the (and in my opinion which I am seeing is shared by many people) frivolous copyright strike on his channel. When a Mod is put out to the public, and downloaded every single person who gets and tries out the mod, can and most often, will form an opinion of the mod. And it is a protected internet right, to comment, review, and even criticize things like mods. Youtube doesn't pay the video reviewer for the mods they review. They pay them for the review themselves through ads viewed on their videos. People are allowed under law, to express their opinions in any medium, be it youtube video, public forums, blog posts, twitter, website be it news or review sections, any social media.

 

Well MxR's video last night, he said youtube contacted him, advising him not to fight, as she would get an injuction which could shut down his channel for months, and he could not afford the legal fee's associated with fighting such a case, even though hands down, the mod author would lose in court, the damages to him would be bad financially. I worry that this author is setting a dangerous trend that will end up hurting Nexus in the long run, if not stopped in it's tracks. People are angry, and justifiably so, but the anger isn't at MxR, it's at the flagging for reviewing a single mod, something he has always done. I think a little less than half the mods I downloaded, were shown off in his review videos. Others I got were from channels like Brodul, Gopher, and even occasionally Shinji72. And some lets play-ers I've seen, would open up with their first set of videos to go over which mods they'd be using in their lets play, like Lady Lexy xox.

 

Look, I know mod authors own their work. That is not in dispute. But when they release their work to the public, they should not be trying to stop people from reviewing their work. If mod authors don't want their work criticized or reviewed, or to be popular at all, then why not just offer said authors a way to hide their mods from public view, but allow their closest friends to download the mods. Then, at least, they can actually control what gets reviewed, and what doesn't? As for the situation with the mod author and MxR, if you implement this system, encourage the author to just drop the whole thing and use that kind of system instead in the future. Restore MxR's standing to 0 strikes, restore said video but hide the mod so it can't be downloaded from the video link and bam, problem solved. The mod wont be downloaded via the linking to it from that video, so the people who click it, will find it not available to them, the author is happy, her mod wont be downloaded except by pre-approved people, MxR and his fans would be happy, and the entire situation would be resolved.

 

I just don't want to see this wonderful community get torn apart, and mod reviewers fearing their channels are next. Such actions is toxic in the community.

[xantexhunter]

This is a common practice believe it or not.

 

I don't know if you are aware or not, but John "Totalbiscuit" Bain did a video on something very similar to this a few weeks ago.

 

 

In the video, he describes how indie developers who make shitty games to pass through steam greenlight in order to turn a quick dollar, Some of these developers are actually threatening any youtube channel that puts any sort of negative light on their game. Since a negative review will lessen the likelihood of unaware shoppers to purchase their $0.99 game

 

Now, believe me, a large majority of the games that pass through the steam greenlight system are complete garbage and not worth anybody's time. But some of these developers will sue small youtube channels because:

 

1.) They are small and are not likely to respond/fight back

2.) They can declare copyright infringement with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

3.) Youtube will not investigate the copyright claim unless it is in Youtube's best interest to do so.

 

Totalbiscuit is not a small-fry YouTuber however. He has a legal team and lots of money with which to throw his weight around. So these poor idiots who try to cross him get slapped down hard.

 

But MXR's channel is not big, not like smosh or game grumps. He is small and doesn't have the power to protect himself from shady developers.

If the Nexus wanted to get involved, they unfortunately cannot. There is nothing the Nexus can do. This is more in youtube's ball-field since the claim was done on their site, not the Nexus.

 

As for the community, the mod developer in question has already cut off all communications with anyone. I don't see anything being done about this since this person can just go radio silent. He/She can keep the copyright claim up and nothing can be done about it.

 

Even if MXR found the means and ability to fight the copyright claim and take this person to court, (Which I 100% believe this person will back down once a lawyer is present.) MXR gains nothing from it.

 

The best thing for him to do is to just take the sucker punch and continue on with his videos. I know it sucks, we're all enraged by this and I can bet that this modder will likely create a new account and disappear from peoples minds after awhile. But the thing we can do as the viewers is to support MXR and not go through a violent rampage on the nexus.

[DoctorKaizeld]

 

Totalbiscuit is not a small-fry YouTuber however.

owned by Disney if you want to know how much power he has backing him.

 

 

However, the Nexus will do none of these things because Dark0ne is in cahoots with mod authors who believe they can (and should) be able to attack YouTubers for covering their mods.

where's your proof?

Edited April 7, 2017 by qwertyzeldar

[Dark0ne]

I hid Mator's post, Qwertzy. He's just trying to pathetically get a rise out of me and I'm not going to stoop to his level. Any further posts he makes in this thread will be removed as well. Can't be bothered to deal with his silliness anymore.

[DoctorKaizeld]

I hid Mator's post, Qwertzy. He's just trying to pathetically get a rise out of me and I'm not going to stoop to his level. Any further posts he makes in this thread will be removed as well. Can't be bothered to deal with his silliness anymore.

ah okay. though i do support the idea of saying you dont support this behavior, i understand you cant just ban people for it though.

[Graybark]

I hid Mator's post, Qwertzy. He's just trying to pathetically get a rise out of me and I'm not going to stoop to his level. Any further posts he makes in this thread will be removed as well. Can't be bothered to deal with his silliness anymore.

Hi, I don't know about your and Mator's history but to an uninitiated observer this looks like you are abusing your power as the site owner in this instance. As far as I can tell, he did not say anything that would warrant censorship. If he did try to get a rise out of me, as you may have good reason to claim, I think hiding someone's posts should come from the place you have as an authority here on the forums and not because he is trying to pester you.

[Dark0ne]

Hi, I don't know about your and Mator's history but to an uninitiated observer this looks like you are abusing your power as the site owner in this instance.

 

 

I'm using my right as the site owner, as per the terms and conditions, to remove any content I deem unacceptable. I'm honestly not concerned at all if this looks as though I'm abusing my power. Mator can keep his anti-Nexus agenda and sow discontent about the Nexus as part of his efforts to undermine us and promote Mod Picker to places like Reddit and other services as I simply don't have the time, will or inclination to deal with him here anymore.

[Nilanius]

As for the community, the mod developer in question has already cut off all communications with anyone. I don't see anything being done about this since this person can just go radio silent. He/She can keep the copyright claim up and nothing can be done about it.

 

Even if MXR found the means and ability to fight the copyright claim and take this person to court, (Which I 100% believe this person will back down once a lawyer is present.) MXR gains nothing from it.

 

The best thing for him to do is to just take the sucker punch and continue on with his videos. I know it sucks, we're all enraged by this and I can bet that this modder will likely create a new account and disappear from peoples minds after awhile. But the thing we can do as the viewers is to support MXR and not go through a violent rampage on the nexus.

 

I honestly do feel there is something we as a community can do about it though. For one, we could encourage the site owner to implement the suggestion I made about letting mod authors hide their mods much like how youtubers can hide videos, except from people they give a direct link to the thing to. And one thing that will also help, is for the site, as a whole, to just stand up and say "No, this kind of behavior creates a rift within the community and if you don't want your mods discussed in public, then don't make them public downloads".

 

She's also threatened to injunction MxR if he even tried to fight it. That to me, is called bullying. And I do think what comes around should go around in that this very site owner could give her the option to just do the right thing and drop this entire thing, or no longer be part of the community. I love Nexus. But I also use outside sources to find the best mods for myself. I like lore friendly immersive mods. MXR has been one of the reviewers who every so often, reviews a mod that I am all "Oh wow that would be just perfect in my game!". Is there a lot in his videos I don't like? Sure. But every few videos, he shows off a mod I didn't know about and 9 out of 10 times, it's here on nexus.

 

I don't like seeing people bullied, and attempting to shut down his entire channel if he even tried to dispute the strike... If I had the money, I'd pay for a lawyer for him, one that could keep the whole injuction thing off the table, as his videos do not damage a mod author's income, since all mods are free to download and use, no judge would sign an injuction on something that can't be damaged. Burden of proof on damages, lies with the mod author and there honestly, is no damage being done.

[DoctorKaizeld]

 

I hid Mator's post, Qwertzy. He's just trying to pathetically get a rise out of me and I'm not going to stoop to his level. Any further posts he makes in this thread will be removed as well. Can't be bothered to deal with his silliness anymore.

Hi, I don't know about your and Mator's history but to an uninitiated observer this looks like you are abusing your power as the site owner in this instance. As far as I can tell, he did not say anything that would warrant censorship. If he did try to get a rise out of me, as you may have good reason to claim, I think hiding someone's posts should come from the place you have as an authority here on the forums and not because he is trying to pester you.

 

the user is one of several Anti-Nexus types that are on the site. not worth dealing with nor is removing them an abuse of power, Robin Scott is the owner of the site not an admin and has universal rights as long as he doesnt break UK laws.

 

 

For one, we could encourage the site owner to implement the suggestion I made about letting mod authors hide their mods much like how youtubers can hide videos, except from people they give a direct link to the thing to.

this can be abused and is abused on Bethnet by mod theives.

 

 

She's also threatened to injunction MxR if he even tried to fight it. That to me, is called bullying. And I do think what comes around should go around in that this very site owner could give her the option to just do the right thing and drop this entire thing, or no longer be part of the community. I love Nexus. But I also use outside sources to find the best mods for myself. I like lore friendly immersive mods. MXR has been one of the reviewers who every so often, reviews a mod that I am all "Oh wow that would be just perfect in my game!". Is there a lot in his videos I don't like? Sure. But every few videos, he shows off a mod I didn't know about and 9 out of 10 times, it's here on nexus.

she hasnt broken any site rules though so Robin Scott has no reason to honestly remove her. removing someone from the site just because you disagree with them isnt a great direction to take.

 

 

I don't like seeing people bullied, and attempting to shut down his entire channel if he even tried to dispute the strike... If I had the money, I'd pay for a lawyer for him, one that could keep the whole injuction thing off the table, as his videos do not damage a mod author's income, since all mods are free to download and use, no judge would sign an injuction on something that can't be damaged. Burden of proof on damages, lies with the mod author and there honestly, is no damage being done.

they asked that the mod not be shown on the video. a judge would in fact sign an injunction on that. would it stay in place? does the author have any grounds for their claims? and will they win in court? no they wouldnt but MXR doesnt want a 6+ month expensive legal case to deal with for one video. maybe asking the mod owner to drop the copyright strike and not reuploading the video would be the better course of action as his count will drop to 0 again and he wont have to worry about it.

[Deleted82156User]

 

I honestly do feel there is something we as a community can do about it though. For one, we could encourage the site owner to implement the suggestion I made about letting mod authors hide their mods much like how youtubers can hide videos, except from people they give a direct link to the thing to. And one thing that will also help, is for the site, as a whole, to just stand up and say "No, this kind of behavior creates a rift within the community and if you don't want your mods discussed in public, then don't make them public downloads".

 

She's also threatened to injunction MxR if he even tried to fight it. That to me, is called bullying. And I do think what comes around should go around in that this very site owner could give her the option to just do the right thing and drop this entire thing, or no longer be part of the community. I love Nexus. But I also use outside sources to find the best mods for myself. I like lore friendly immersive mods. MXR has been one of the reviewers who every so often, reviews a mod that I am all "Oh wow that would be just perfect in my game!". Is there a lot in his videos I don't like? Sure. But every few videos, he shows off a mod I didn't know about and 9 out of 10 times, it's here on nexus.

 

I don't like seeing people bullied, and attempting to shut down his entire channel if he even tried to dispute the strike... If I had the money, I'd pay for a lawyer for him, one that could keep the whole injuction thing off the table, as his videos do not damage a mod author's income, since all mods are free to download and use, no judge would sign an injuction on something that can't be damaged. Burden of proof on damages, lies with the mod author and there honestly, is no damage being done.

 

 

Actually he already backed down from her lawyers.

 

You need to get your facts straight on this whole thing and unfortunately Mxr is telling half a tale and omitting very important details. The most important point is that while he is purposely trying to make it seem like this is going on right now, this whole thing is over and done with. It was finished weeks ago. There is no threat of a court case for anyone to back down from because it already happened.

 

As far as I understand it, Mxr had the choice many times to remove the strike on his channel and he chose not to risk his channel in going to court. Would he have won or she won, is not known and could not be stated either way. The only thing that is known is that she states that her lawyers and a Judge confirmed that she did have a very real case and the right to make a case.

 

The other point that Mxr is failing to tell everyone is that the issue is that he ignored her permissions on her mod that stated that the mod was not to be used in YouTube videos, in particular monetized ones and when asked to respect them, outright refused to do so.

 

Also, again as far as I understand it from the mod author herself, the mod author did not personally request an injunction against Mxr's channel, but that was part of the nature of the legal proceedings to ask for/impose one until the legal facts could be established.

 

Having spoken to the mod author, from her side she made every effort NOT to affect Mxr's livelihood and channel, and gave him every option of an amicable resolution that would result in him not having a strike and just removing the clip of her work and re-uploading the video. He refused and at one point allegedly said 'see you in court'. When she started proceedings to do just that, he backed down.

 

Two sides to the story, unfortunately Mxr is giving out less then half the story and inciting his followers to fill in the gaps themselves, get themselves all offended on Mxr's behalf and launch attack on the mod author.

Edited April 8, 2017 by Guest