Creation Club Summer 2017

[Alexotero1219]

I don´t understand the whole thing.

 

"Paid" modding is old as the internet... Ok, maybe not that old, but... Did someone remember on Counter Strike, Day of Defeat? Those were free and then turn into paid mods. They have millions of player today and I tell you what... Besides this million player base, free mods have always still exist! Like Tour of Duty, Vampire Slayer, Zombie Master and so on.

 

But there are also other examples. Secound life, a old "3d chat world", modders had earn there good money, but free mods had also always exist there. The Sims also... A lot of free mods avaible for this games, but I know that at least since sims 3 there also a lot of paid sims mods out there. For months there was a guy in the news that make his living with a sims 4 mod.

 

I have no worries about the whole topic, because as you already see... it is nothing new for me and I have always see how this 2 parts exist peaceful side by side.

Those were mods that developed into fully fledged game titles you mean.

 

As for second life and the sims I never played either of those but ive been playing CS for a very long time and I can tell you no one was selling Dust II map variations for .50 cents.

[Alexotero1219]

They you don't have to buy anything, No one does!

 

What give you or anyone else the right, to tell Me or anyone to not get the chance to profit off of our efforts?

 

This may be bad, It may be good! It won't be the end of free mods!

 

I haven't even chosen a side yet! I want to know the FACTS before I do!

Im not saying, and have never said, that you don't have the right to ask to be paid (although legally speaking you don't since beth holds the IP rights beth has to ask for you but thats besides the point)

 

All im saying is that you probably wont get paid very much, if at all, from this or any other attempt to charge for mods. Maybe in 10 years when the next ES game releases and the newest generation of consumers are potentially acclimatized to the practice but as it stands now it feels like beth is trying to sell me cs:go skins that no other players can even see.

 

If you read any of my other posts, especially from the first paid mods debacle, you would notice that ive never suggested that mod authors shouldn't ask to be paid just that charging directly for mod files is kind of stupid from a business perspective.

 

Also capitalism pro-tip: You don't have to ask in only one way to get paid. You can get paid in loads of other ways or even leverage bethesda to do something better for you.

 

You can create your own game, you can seek employment at a game dev studio, you can stream, you can even open your own merch store and sell coffee mugs and stuff like that. The last one seems to work well for other kinds of content creators. Paid mods aren't the only way for people with similar skills to make money.

[taryl80]

Yeah, but they had started as mod and even they have turned, they don´t have "ate" the whole player, or modderbase, if we look at all the other mods that exist for halflife and halflife 2 for free.

 

Edit: And what Dust matters, I would not bet on this.. I heard that there is a lot of micro payment in CS today, for Weapon Skins as example. Maybe someone should bring Valve on this idea :D. Just kidding...

Edited June 20, 2017 by taryl80

[Alexotero1219]

Yeah, but they had started as mod and even they have turned, they don´t have "ate" the whole player, or modderbase, if we look at all the other mods that exist for halflife and halflife 2 for free.

 

Edit: And what Dust matters, I would not bet on this.. I heard that there is a lot of micro payment in CS today, for Weapon Skins as example. Maybe someone should bring Valve on this idea :D. Just kidding...

lol

 

Although there isnt exactly a thriving modding community for cs:go now is there? XD.

 

At least with skins I can resell my Dlore for 800 USD. Not like I can resell what beth is trying to sell me in their micro transaction hub

Edited June 20, 2017 by Alexotero1219

[chucksteel]

You don't know what they are trying to sell you. That was part of my point.

 

In typical beth fashion they didn't have all their ducks in a row. Everyone expects what they saw in that E3 video as what it will be. It was a mock up and likely nothing more. (My speculation because I work in the advertising industry)

 

The prices were also a mock up, but, I do not like the Beth Cash instead of real money. I don't want to buy Beth Bucks.

 

i suspect we won't see "Crab Armor" when the Creative Club Releases and the stuff we saw was for no spoilers.

[Alexotero1219]

You don't know what they are trying to sell you. That was part of my point.

 

In typical beth fashion they didn't have all their ducks in a row. Everyone expects what they saw in that E3 video as what it will be. It was a mock up and likely nothing more. (My speculation because I work in the advertising industry)

 

The prices were also a mock up, but, I do not like the Beth Cash instead of real money. I don't want to buy Beth Bucks.

 

i suspect we won't see "Crab Armor" when the Creative Club Releases and the stuff we saw was for no spoilers.

Honestly one can hope this is just beth hiring mod authors to produce DLC like far harbor or dragonborn but tbh if thats what this was going to be why would they market it the way they did at E3?

 

If they knew the CC was intended for large content expansions why would they show off crab armor and horse armor? Is the entire bethesda marketing dept just incredibly tone deaf? I mean honestly thats just horrible decision making even for bethesda. Odds are incredibly high that what we saw at E3 is going to be representative of a lot of the content there.

 

Additionally I don't think beth will be producing any more story content with the CC. They run into the issue with fallout 4 season passes and I think beth/zeni would just rather avoid that altogether.

 

Edit: Beth bucks? Come on man obviously Todd Tokens is a much better name.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Alexotero1219

[MightyZ0G]

So by this train of thought, A garage band that has been playing for years for friends, at their local block parties for fun and free, happens to get a gig at a club that offers them a cut of the door. Suddenly they have just sold out by getting paid!

 

If in the off chance there was a record producer in the audience that wanted to offer them a recording contract, the band would now be Stabbing it's Community in the back?

 

If you had watched that band play for all those years would you expect to not have to buy their records?

not the same at all.

if you are a musician that takes part in informal jam sessions with like minded people you don't suddenly demand that people who can hear you have to pay.

you played because it was fun and you enjoyed it, even though it involved the time taken learning how to play and might even be difficult at times. other people may well have enjoyed listening, dancing and or singing along, but that was a byproduct of your hobby, you haven't lost anything.

 

 

as a semi professional musician I can tell you that the music industry is a dirtier place than the gaming industry. the people in the suits control the product that gets pumped out on radio stations. music has become a meaningless disposable product. it is one of the reasons that there haven't been many classic songs written in the last decade or so, and the few there are are usually from band's first albums (material they wrote BEFORE the music industry git their claws in them).

but that is a whole different rant.

 

I don't have any of my records or CDs anymore because I gave them to my friends who came to see me play from the beginning. but then they are all people who I either knew before who came to support me personally or people I first met at those early shows who I stayed friends with.

a few really close friends even came on tours with us and we put them on our guest list.

[HeyYou]

 

So by this train of thought, A garage band that has been playing for years for friends, at their local block parties for fun and free, happens to get a gig at a club that offers them a cut of the door. Suddenly they have just sold out by getting paid!

 

If in the off chance there was a record producer in the audience that wanted to offer them a recording contract, the band would now be Stabbing it's Community in the back?

 

If you had watched that band play for all those years would you expect to not have to buy their records?

not the same at all.

if you are a musician that takes part in informal jam sessions with like minded people you don't suddenly demand that people who can hear you have to pay.

you played because it was fun and you enjoyed it, even though it involved the time taken learning how to play and might even be difficult at times. other people may well have enjoyed listening, dancing and or singing along, but that was a byproduct of your hobby, you haven't lost anything.

 

 

as a semi professional musician I can tell you that the music industry is a dirtier place than the gaming industry. the people in the suits control the product that gets pumped out on radio stations. music has become a meaningless disposable product. it is one of the reasons that there haven't been many classic songs written in the last decade or so, and the few there are are usually from band's first albums (material they wrote BEFORE the music industry git their claws in them).

but that is a whole different rant.

 

I don't have any of my records or CDs anymore because I gave them to my friends who came to see me play from the beginning. but then they are all people who I either knew before who came to support me personally or people I first met at those early shows who I stayed friends with.

a few really close friends even came on tours with us and we put them on our guest list.

 

Please point out to me where mod authors are demanding anything. This is beth OFFERING to pay mod authors for their efforts, and in the end, release OFFICIAL content. The garage band analogy applies quite accurately.

[SMB92]

I like google as a company, but Youtube is comparable to Microsoft. Morally bottomless pit.

 

Soon whole world will be like The Lorax.

[MrJoseCuervo]

 

 

So by this train of thought, A garage band that has been playing for years for friends, at their local block parties for fun and free, happens to get a gig at a club that offers them a cut of the door. Suddenly they have just sold out by getting paid!

 

If in the off chance there was a record producer in the audience that wanted to offer them a recording contract, the band would now be Stabbing it's Community in the back?

 

If you had watched that band play for all those years would you expect to not have to buy their records?

not the same at all.

if you are a musician that takes part in informal jam sessions with like minded people you don't suddenly demand that people who can hear you have to pay.

you played because it was fun and you enjoyed it, even though it involved the time taken learning how to play and might even be difficult at times. other people may well have enjoyed listening, dancing and or singing along, but that was a byproduct of your hobby, you haven't lost anything.

 

 

as a semi professional musician I can tell you that the music industry is a dirtier place than the gaming industry. the people in the suits control the product that gets pumped out on radio stations. music has become a meaningless disposable product. it is one of the reasons that there haven't been many classic songs written in the last decade or so, and the few there are are usually from band's first albums (material they wrote BEFORE the music industry git their claws in them).

but that is a whole different rant.

 

I don't have any of my records or CDs anymore because I gave them to my friends who came to see me play from the beginning. but then they are all people who I either knew before who came to support me personally or people I first met at those early shows who I stayed friends with.

a few really close friends even came on tours with us and we put them on our guest list.

 

Please point out to me where mod authors are demanding anything. This is beth OFFERING to pay mod authors for their efforts, and in the end, release OFFICIAL content. The garage band analogy applies quite accurately.

 

It's not Rocket Science bud, Putting mods behind a paywall is demanding money.