New design constructive feedback

[HiRisque]

Oh, I am so sorry for being critical then for complaining about receiving something that is overly complicated, illogically designed, and just plain doesn't work.

 

I've visited a lot of mod sites over the years since I started PC gaming when Wolfenstien 3D was first published.

 

The old format was about the best working gaming mod site I've ever used. Kudus to whoever designed it.

 

What you have now in comparison? You should all be ashamed.

 

Yes continue the arrogance and tell all of us that are disappointed and dismayed why we don't really matter or count.

[twowolves80]

I'm not going to go out of my way to a website that is frustrating to use, especially since it USED to be fine.

anyone suggesting that end user workarounds should be made to 'fix' an underlying issue is a dipshit.

 

heres to hoping suggestions are actually considered.

I agree. At best, these solutions are stop-gap until they can be implemented by the UX/UI designers. I wasn't advocating that we as a community fix the problems and that they are then fixed permanently--I was merely saying that as modders, we are more than capable of tweaking and figuring out workarounds in the meantime. And if its a good enough work around (and it's posted in this thread for the web designers to see, and yes, they do read this thread), it may get implemented, much the same way that the unofficial patches often implemented a lot of the bug fix mods as they were able to.

 

As I stated in the other thread, as modders, we push and tweak and cajole game engines into doing things way beyond what their original designers intended or foresaw. No reason we can't do the same here as the admins work in the background to get things improved. It was meant as an encouraging statement to change the tone from, "Gawd, this site sux so bad!" to "I don't like the site as is, but in the meantime, here's a solution I found for x problem and I've already posted it in this thread for them to see."

 

The site isn't going to go back to the old, period. No matter if everyone on the entire site just up and left. They're not going back, and their dogged determination to make the site work right for everyone tells me that the old site had technical issues that must have been resolved/improved by the changeover. Yeah, the UI is flat and boring--big deal. I'm not there to look at the UI, I'm there to look at the mods. The UI is aesthetic, and will most likely evolve. The functionality will improve. It just takes time. The aesthetics are nothing to worry about, so don't sweat the small stuff. If you think chartreuse and magenta are great colors for the new UI, then by all means, post them here because the designers are trying to fit what we suggest (like aesthetic changes) into their schedule and in accordance with the orders that have down from Dark0ne.

 

 

Yes continue the arrogance and tell all of us that are disappointed and dismayed why we don't really matter or count.

No one said anything about your voice not counting. Your voice absolutely counts. The problem lies in what we give voice to. Offering useful suggestions as others have done is helpful to the UX/UI designers. Simply stating that you don't like it is only half the information they need. Give specific examples of things you don't like and what you think could be done to improve it.

 

That is what they are looking for in this thread, and that is all we as a community should be focused on in this thread.

 

Remember that this site is a privilege for us to use. Name another site that has the sheer amount of mods and functionality that Nexus has? Go ahead, I'll wait.

 

*crickets*

 

LL doesn't come close, ATF is disgusting, and the farther down the list you go, the more obscure (and potentially virus-laden and buggy) the sites become. Yeah, some of us may be able to say we're a premium member, but that doesn't entitle us to make boardroom decisions. We don't know everything going on in the background; we're not privy to Dark0ne's counsels. We only see what they release when they are ready to release it.

 

You want to vent, great! Go for it! Just don't be abusive towards the admins, and try to use words that encourage and compliment the web designers rather than irritate and antagonize them.

[TeHCoQ]

 

As I stated in the other thread, as modders, we push and tweak and cajole game engines into doing things way beyond what their original designers intended or foresaw. No reason we can't do the same here as the admins work in the background to get things improved. It was meant as an encouraging statement to change the tone from, "Gawd, this site sux so bad!" to "I don't like the site as is, but in the meantime, here's a solution I found for x problem and I've already posted it in this thread for them to see."

 

I'm not sure you understand the implications of what you are suggesting.

with games, we have direct access to the files and engines we are modding.

 

when you visit a website, you are requesting a page of something that is hosted, in this case in AWS, that we do not have direct access to.

there's only so many things an end user can do before it is up to the admins that actually control the content.

 

the question you should be asking is, why is up to the end user?

this thread exists to fix the new site issues while being rolled out, and the old one hosted in parallel until that is complete. I'm using the old site as long as its up, or until the issues I and many other have with the new site is fixed.

 

there's no need to create a solution to a problem that doesn't need to exist.

[HiRisque]

The arrogance is unbelievable!

 

Everybody that doesn't like it should just leave? We don't need you? Don't care if nobody uses it?

 

IT DOESN'T WORK!!!

 

If you select a category and scroll pages you usually can't go through more than 4 or 5 before it stops working. If you use a filter, look at a mod and then back out you lose the filter and default to page one. then it won't accept a filter again unless you back completely out and start over. And I didn't even mention that the new improved way of filtering is more cumbersome and illogical then the old.

 

Did your highly vaunted easily irritated UX/UI designers actually test the damn thing before they forced this upon us? Wouldn't it have been a good idea to see if it actually worked correctly first?

[SirSalami]

We appreciate the strong feelings that many seem to be have here, but please try to refrain from argument. Apologies if we don't answer each post but I assure you the team is reading through these comments and taking note of what can be done. All of us are aware of the implications that come along with a website redesign, so you're not hurting our feelings by expressing your opinions about the new sites aesthetics, but we also do not need to be defended to the point of anger or misunderstanding. Please keep your posts civil, and most importantly, constructive.

 

Our intention for this redesign is certainly (and I think obviously), not to intentionally drive anyone away. While we felt that the site was long overdue for a visual overhaul, the most important work that's happened during this effort has been to ensure that our infrastructure can scale and provide consistent service now and in the future. That sort of restructuring would require significant effort to either recreate the old design to coincide with these new systems, or that same effort could be spent creating a new design, which we felt was more prudent.

 

Yes there have been many bumps in the road so-far. What's important to us now is ensuring that all site functionality that existed on the old site, works as intended on the new. Please continue to report bugs using the tab found at the bottom right of the site and the team will continue to fix them. Hundreds have been addressed already, so thank you to those that have submitted! After we feel confident that the new infrastructure is solid, we will revisit all that we can regarding user-experience, to hopefully address many of the concerns that are being raised in this thread.

I hope this alleviates at least some concern and allows you all to continue to give us your opinions in a reasonable fashion. Thank you for your support!

[enokard]

In my humble opinion, it's best to revert back to the old style.

It's very confusing as to how to find stuff. Perharps, I'm too old but my computer is not a smartphone. And I use my smartphone only to call people and not for youtube, twitter or nexusmods. :sad:

[viper78]

To be honest, the new Design is really bad.

 

Old Design was working , simple to use and it worked without this tons of addiotinal Cliparts, Gifs, Screenshots or how you call it.

 

If i search for a Mod, i dont wanna see a X Pages full of Screenshots with some Details. Add a option so people can disable this Screenshot List or Reduce the Size of the Screenshots but better do both .

 

Same after i select a Mod, the old Layout was much better did not need so much space.

 

The entire Design is to big, needs to much bandwith only for loading and showing content and at same time it dont offer better Solutions.

 

 

 

@ twowolves80:

 

you say the old Design could not be integratet into the new Software. Can you give me some Details why it should be impossible to rebuild the old Design with the new Software, hard to belive that the old Layout was so "special" it could not recreatet for the New Software.

Or is this new Software so limited that it dont allow such a Design?

[twowolves80]

To be honest, the new Design is really bad.

 

Old Design was working , simple to use and it worked without this tons of addiotinal Cliparts, Gifs, Screenshots or how you call it.

 

If i search for a Mod, i dont wanna see a X Pages full of Screenshots with some Details. Add a option so people can disable this Screenshot List or Reduce the Size of the Screenshots but better do both .

 

Same after i select a Mod, the old Layout was much better did not need so much space.

 

The entire Design is to big, needs to much bandwith only for loading and showing content and at same time it dont offer better Solutions.

 

 

 

@ twowolves80:

 

you say the old Design could not be integratet into the new Software. Can you give me some Details why it should be impossible to rebuild the old Design with the new Software, hard to belive that the old Layout was so "special" it could not recreatet for the New Software.

Or is this new Software so limited that it dont allow such a Design?

First, great feedback. At least you identified something specific and offered a potential solution. That is constructive feedback. Kudos to you.

 

As for the old design...I'm going to first quote SirSalami above:

 

"Our intention for this redesign is certainly (and I think obviously), not to intentionally drive anyone away. While we felt that the site was long overdue for a visual overhaul, the most important work that's happened during this effort has been to ensure that our infrastructure can scale and provide consistent service now and in the future. That sort of restructuring would require significant effort to either recreate the old design to coincide with these new systems, or that same effort could be spent creating a new design, which we felt was more prudent."

 

This is what I had suspected, which is why I've said that. I don't have a crystal ball, and Dark0ne doesn't let me hangout in the boardroom where the decisions are made. But I figured it was probably something similar to the way the mods worked from Oldrim to Special Edition. Not everything may have been able to be ported, and according to SirSalami, they figured it would be more cost-effective to simply design the whole thing from scratch anew rather than wrangle some kind of system for porting the website from one website engine to another. Different coding, different formatting, different functionality...

 

It's not that it is impossible, but the old software may have been incompatible with Vortex, or it may have not worked right. Yes, they could stand to bring some of the aesthetic over, and I'm sure they will in the coming days and weeks, but right now it's the holiday season, so everything is kind of on hiatus, I would imagine. Please note, this is my opinion, and that I don't actually speak for any of the admins. I'm only hazarding a guess as to what is going on.

 

My advice to everyone, and to myself included, is to be patient. Have a little faith that if you post something constructive, it is being read, even if you don't get a response from the admins. By March, I imagine much of the issues will be addressed as Vortex will have been released into the wild, and that will free up some admins to focus on other things, like fixing the site.

 

:smile:

 

Edited December 13, 2017 by twowolves80

[dragnhuntr666]

Okay, for all the pages showing feedback, nearly every one of them are giving the feedback: "Go back to the old design".

 

Yet, the recurring themed response to each and every one is "We are NOT going back but we still want constructive criticism."

 

ALL 19 pages so far has been giving constructive criticism. Stop messing up what is working. It isn't the criticism you WANT to hear, but maybe it's the criticism you NEED to hear.

 

As an edit: I prefer the LOOK of the old design. Why not just keep the LOOK of the old design and just swap the engine under the hood. That way when you do decide to SLOWLY change the design, the new one won't be so screwed up. Just throwing a new design out there and expect people to like it is never going to work. You have to gradually shift things over.

 

As a new edit: I have been using NMM for a long while now. I have had ZERO issues with it. Minus some hiccups once or twice. But otherwise it works just as intended. It organizes and installs my mods without me having to go and mess everything up and have hundreds of different copies of my game files. And if you also plan on destroying NMM, then I'll just give up Nexus Mods forever. And please don't tell me it isn't compatible with "Vortex". NMM is probably the one thing besides the site itself which brought me to the modding community.

 

If you remove.....sorry, "replace" NMM, then I can safely say that damn near everyone on the Nexus will leave and never come back. Trust on the interwebs is one of the hardest things to earn back after it's broken.

Edited December 14, 2017 by dragnhuntr666

[Mystosia]

Hey I don't have too much feedback to add to this but im really not liking the new layout, could we have the old one back? Like even if it's just an optional toggle (I know that it could be difficult to make that work). Please I hate this new website layout. I know you keep saying you won't go back but if your improving the looks for the users than maybe you should listen to the viewers and change it? Unless this change is for another reason?