Overpowered Block and Curious Terms

[aphilion]

 

 

If I owned a store and you came in, asked me a question, I said "no," and you then called me a dick, I'd kick you out and tell you to never come back, regardless of how much you praised my work beforehand. This isn't Walmart where the customer is always right.

...so... payment for mods is acceptance of belittlement to the puny user? Should I bow or curtsy to the thrones of modders? This comment, explicably proves my point, flawlessly. Thank you. On that... I'm out. Date night tonight. You all have a wonderful night.

 

The mod author said literally one word to you: "No." You were the one that escalated the situation. You were the one that made this thread talking about how the block function is supposedly overpowered. You were the one that said that you don't regret calling the mod author a dick. So if you think my comment somehow proves you right, go on believing that.

 

And no, payment for mods is not the acceptance of belittlement. Having a little bit of decency and decorum when you don't get your way is the bare minimum.

 

I'm so tired of debating this. I keep saying that this thread isn't about what happened. I already admitted, in the beginning of this thread, I was out of line. I admitted that. Multiple times. And I still stand by my reply. If you're short, crass, rude, belittling, whatever... in ANY scenario, someone is usually going to respond the same way or worse. I also said, that there was no way for me to apologize, and that per instructions of the message I got, when blocked, I was basically S.O.L.

But because you guys keep bringing it up, Lets use your example of a store: I come in. I praise your store. Say its the best. And while you read a paper, giving me very little acknowledgement, I ask multiple questions, hoping for a polite, or even respectful response. Without looking up from your paper you just say "NO"... which... doesn't even make sense to some of the questions I asked. In fact, its a rude way of saying "I'm not going even humor you to even explain anything other than NO"

 

... yeah... I'd call you out for being a rude prick too. Sure. You could throw me out. But it doesn't make you in the right. Owning a store doesn't give you the right to be rude.

 

Now...before everyone has kittens about my hypothetical scenario: Did I over-read his response? Who knows. He didn't reply, or even allow me to PM him. He just blocked me and moved on. That's some pretentious bs.

 

 

 

So, hypothetically:

I post a mod.

Someone comments, and I don't like their tone.

I block them.

Someone asks a question I don't like, or that's been asked already. How dare them!

I block them.

Someone comments, and I hate their avatar picture.

I block them.

Someone, brings up a constructive critique to the mod. It angers me.

I block them.

Someone comments and I don't like their name.

Blocked.

Someone brings up that my mod is either broken, or it broke their game. It embarrasses me.

I block them.

Someone was blocked by one of my friends, who was a "jerk" to them. I wait for them to comment on my mod, so I too can block them. They do.

I block them.

 

Are we seeing the trend yet? Unless... I'm missing some detail? This. function. is. broken.

 

Just because you can invent a hypothetical scenario that may or may not actually happen does not mean that the system is broken. The potential for something to be abused is never an acceptable reason to just get rid of it entirely. Otherwise there'd be no internet because by God the internet has been abused to hell and back but its usefulness far outweighs any crazy scenarios people might come up with to justify shutting it down. So it is with the block function. It's infinitely more useful to us mod authors and that usefulness outweighs your butthurt. Simple as that.

 

Look... there are answers to any given problem. And its never usually black or white. Like maybe rules, or stipulations on how blocking works? Maybe not have the intimidating auto-response when you get blocked? I will post, again, what pops up when you're blocked:

“The author of this mod has blocked your access to this file. This is not an error with the site and the Nexus staff will not get involved with unblocking your access, so do not contact the moderation team for help. Accessing an author's mod page is a privilege, not your right.You can try to amicably resolve this issue with the mod author, if they'll let you, but be warned: if you are rude or break our terms of service when contacting the mod author and they report you it's extremely likely you will be banned completely from these sites. Is it worth it? You decide.”

 

​This message is a deterrent. In fact, the moment I read it I was like "holy crap... I don't want banned...". If instead, there was a link to a moderator, or a whatever, that allowed you to make right a wrong, that would be different. But making a system, where I couldn't apologize, or remedy the problem, regardless who is right or wrong, is a broken system. Imagine I had done nothing wrong, or had no idea what I did to get blocked?? There would be no way to remedy the situation, and I might be intimidated by reaching out, because of the message above.

 

Now, since you guys think I'm crazy, I would gladly provide a link to a forum outside the nexus, which talks EXACTLY about this issue (the block button) here on the nexus. I won't post the link, because I don't know if that's breaking any of the forum rules... (it's unclear in the terms) but if Robin, or one of the moderators say its cool, i'll post in this discussion.

 

Look-I'm not just stirring the water because I'm butthurt. Or any other made up asssumption by some of the posters in this thread. I legitimately believe that the way it is set up now, is broke. Simple tweaks,wouldn't only make the system work as intended, but also allow those who misuse the block, or those who feel they'd like to remedy the block thrown at them, or been unfairly blocked, more possible.

 

For starters- That message above is not cool.

A: it automatically puts fault on the person who was blocked.

B: its states, right off the bat that the website won't get involved (which proves a moderator who posted on this thread earlier, wrong)

C: it belittles mod users by making the claim that you basically have no rights and that you're at the whim of the mod author... regardless if its true or not its cringy and unnecessary. I have a hard time believing that users here feel that these mods are expected or that users feel entitled. Maybe I'm wrong here?

D: Lastly, it states you can try to remedy it on your own, but that if you don't walk on glass, you could be banned...

 

I don't understand how nobody here... sees any of this...

[aphilion]

It's getting really frustrating how many of you posting, are missing the point. I literally can't tell if its my inability to communicate via forum, or your inability to understand. Either way its becoming troublesome and I'm losing my ability to care anymore. Like I said, if the moderators ok it, I can post a link to a conversation elsewhere, that talks in depth about this very subject. If not, use a search engine. I can assure everyone I'm not the only person who thinks this feature, is a little heavy handed and probably needs to be tweaked in a couple of ways.

 

Second, isn't the point of this forum to discuss rules, terms and features?

 

So cut me some slack.

[Ethreon]

Nah buddy, everyone got the point. You're an adult child who can't accept they're wrong and is now throwing a temper tantrum.

[aphilion]

Nah buddy, everyone got the point. You're an adult child who can't accept they're wrong and is now throwing a temper tantrum.

Wow... and I'm the jerk?

[DoctorKaizeld]

Should point out I'm not a moderator. Also i mention rule that doesn't appear to be relevant to the topic by mistake.

 

Also it is your inability to understand us that is the issue. Oh and none of us care what reddit users nor what loverslab people have to say about the feature.

[HeyYou]

You waltzed into a mod authors store, complimented him, asked a couple questions.

 

He answered.

 

You didn't like the answer, and reacted badly.

 

The mod author blocked you.

 

That is the mod author tools working EXACTLY the way they are supposed to.

 

Why is that so hard to understand? Those types of comments are PRECISELY WHY the system was implemented in the first place.

 

You were in the wrong here. Now, here you come, trying to rationalize away your blunder, by claiming 'the system is broken'. Bull Feces.

 

YOU SCREWED UP! Actions have consequences. You are now paying the price for your own mistake. Learn to live with it.

[RatB0Y68]

As threads go, this has been entertaining. Watching someone dig themselves deeper and deeper.

[Arthmoor]

I'm so tired of debating this. I keep saying that this thread isn't about what happened. I already admitted, in the beginning of this thread, I was out of line. I admitted that. Multiple times. And I still stand by my reply. If you're short, crass, rude, belittling, whatever... in ANY scenario, someone is usually going to respond the same way or worse. I also said, that there was no way for me to apologize, and that per instructions of the message I got, when blocked, I was basically S.O.L.

But because you guys keep bringing it up, Lets use your example of a store: I come in. I praise your store. Say its the best. And while you read a paper, giving me very little acknowledgement, I ask multiple questions, hoping for a polite, or even respectful response. Without looking up from your paper you just say "NO"... which... doesn't even make sense to some of the questions I asked. In fact, its a rude way of saying "I'm not going even humor you to even explain anything other than NO"

 

... yeah... I'd call you out for being a rude prick too. Sure. You could throw me out. But it doesn't make you in the right. Owning a store doesn't give you the right to be rude.

 

Now...before everyone has kittens about my hypothetical scenario: Did I over-read his response? Who knows. He didn't reply, or even allow me to PM him. He just blocked me and moved on. That's some pretentious bs.

It all depends entirely on what questions you asked, and how you asked them. But guess what? This may come as a shock to you, but that store owner has the right to be rude to you just as much as you seem to think you have the right to be rude to him (or the mod author as well). As such, if he decided you're being a pretentious jackass he can kick you out of the store and there's nothing you can do about it. "We reserve the right to refuse service to ANYONE" is the principle in operation here. It applies equally to your retail scenario and to this issue you caused with the mod author.

 

I will post, again, what pops up when you're blocked:

“The author of this mod has blocked your access to this file. This is not an error with the site and the Nexus staff will not get involved with unblocking your access, so do not contact the moderation team for help. Accessing an author's mod page is a privilege, not your right.You can try to amicably resolve this issue with the mod author, if they'll let you, but be warned: if you are rude or break our terms of service when contacting the mod author and they report you it's extremely likely you will be banned completely from these sites. Is it worth it? You decide.”

Seen it. Got one of my own on Shurah's page for Immersive Citizens I can refer to even. So what? That message is far FAR less "rude" than the original one that used to be there. The guy blocked you. Get over it. He obviously does not want to deal with you and none of us can blame him for that now after all of this.

 

If you had pulled this on one of my mod pages I'd have blocked you for it too.

 

Imagine I had done nothing wrong, or had no idea what I did to get blocked??

Ah, the battlecry of one who wishes he had been wronged but really wasn't. You think we haven't all heard this one before?

 

Now, since you guys think I'm crazy, I would gladly provide a link to a forum outside the nexus, which talks EXACTLY about this issue (the block button) here on the nexus. I won't post the link, because I don't know if that's breaking any of the forum rules... (it's unclear in the terms) but if Robin, or one of the moderators say its cool, i'll post in this discussion.

We don't care what Reddit or Lover's Lab thinks. Most of those people whining about it in those places got blocked for totally good reasons, and in many cases went on to be abusive to the mod author afterward and got banned entirely. Find a better selection of people without a strong anti-Nexus bias and maybe you'll convince someone.

 

Look-I'm not just stirring the water because I'm butthurt.

Sorry, but you totally are and you're the only one who can't see that.

 

I don't understand how nobody here... sees any of this...

Largely because you're the wrong person to bring a "wrongful block" action up in the forum since you insulted the guy. You're lucky to still be here posting. Most folks who insult mod authors get banned outright for that. Perhaps someone was lenient with you this time. You should consider yourself lucky.

[fftfan]

Seen it. Got one of my own on Shurah's page for Immersive Citizens I can refer to even. So what? That message is far FAR less "rude" than the original one that used to be there. The guy blocked you. Get over it. He obviously does not want to deal with you and none of us can blame him for that now after all of this.

 

If you had pulled this on one of my mod pages I'd have blocked you for it too.

This kinda got me wondering.

 

Technically speaking, is there such a thing as misuse of the file blocking system? Anything we could do if actually gotten blocked for literally nothing? Not a case where a user's downplaying or misrepresenting the situation but for literally nothing like the author simply had a bad mood or dislikes their avatar or name? Like let's say hypothetically all I did was say "Thank you for your contribution, <Mod Author>. I really like your mod!" and got blocked for it or I politely make a simple request and got blocked for it. Or worst case I never commented at all and got blocked anyways(IDK how this works?)? Or if I look in the comments, someone commented "I love your mod!" and author replied with "Blocked." should I report that? Would it be considered abuse of the feature if a user has never ever made any toxic or rude post ever yet got file blocked?

 

This topic got me curious so I checked in the Terms & Policies, did not find anything about this. My understanding after finding it not present is that it would be fair game to do so?

[Arthmoor]

You'd probably have to take up a situation where you said nothing wrong and got blocked anyway with the staff, despite what the block message says. They have already said, even in this thread, that someone legitimately abusing the system could get taken to task for that. That person wasn't OP obviously, but still.

 

An author can only block someone from their content if they have commented in one of their mod threads. So if you never post anything in their threads, they can't block you.