To be fair to Bethesda

[lithan1]

Everyone's s***ing on them cause Fallout 76 bombed hard and they're worried TES 6 will be bad but to be completely honesty, it's only Fallout where the quality drops with each entry, it started with the fantastic Fallout 3, then came the mediocre Fallout 4, then the terrible Fallout 76

 

(I'm not counting New Vegas cause Bethesda didn't develop it)

 

But the Elder Scrolls has been consistently really good, which I guess makes it clear which of their franchises Bethesda favors but still, if they keep this up I think we can expect TES 6 to be at least decent

 

Edit: Well f*#@ me, I was trying to make a point and apparently I missed the mark entirely, can I request closing this thread? No use for it being open if I or someone missed the point entirely

Edited December 2, 2018 by lithan1

[Skagens]

I not sure if I'd classify Fallout 4 as mediocre. It's a pretty good game with fun and fluid combat, it's just not a good Fallout game. The criticism targeted at Bethesda right now is pretty justified, what with Fallout 76 being filled with bugs on release and then the debacle with the Fallout 76 Power Armor Edition.

 

We haven't seen a new Elder Scrolls since Skyrim, which recently turned 7 years old. So you saying that the Elder Scrolls has been consistently good isn't untrue, but it's also pretty strange seeing as we haven't seen a new one in quite a while. I think it's pretty safe to assume if Bethesda will develop the next Elder Scrolls as well, it will probably be pretty s***.

Edited December 2, 2018 by Skagens

[DoctorKaizeld]

 

I not sure if I'd classify Fallout 4 as mediocre. It's a pretty good game with fun and fluid combat, it's just not a good Fallout game. The criticism targeted at Bethesda right now is pretty justified, what with Fallout 76 being filled with bugs on release and then the debacle with the Fallout 76 Power Armor Edition.

yeah, it's a fun game just nowhere near a good fallout game.

 

 

We haven't seen a new Elder Scrolls since Skyrim, which recently turned 7 years old. So you saying that the Elder Scrolls has been consistently good isn't untrue, but it's also pretty strange seeing as we haven't seen a new one in quite a while. I think it's pretty safe to assume if Bethesda will develop the next Elder Scrolls as well, it will probably be pretty s***.

when you consider how dumbed down each game they release is compared to the previous... I sadly agree that I have little hope for it.

[Deleted54170User]

 

 

I not sure if I'd classify Fallout 4 as mediocre. It's a pretty good game with fun and fluid combat, it's just not a good Fallout game. The criticism targeted at Bethesda right now is pretty justified, what with Fallout 76 being filled with bugs on release and then the debacle with the Fallout 76 Power Armor Edition.

yeah, it's a fun game just nowhere near a good fallout game.

 

 

True.

 

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We haven't seen a new Elder Scrolls since Skyrim, which recently turned 7 years old. So you saying that the Elder Scrolls has been consistently good isn't untrue, but it's also pretty strange seeing as we haven't seen a new one in quite a while. I think it's pretty safe to assume if Bethesda will develop the next Elder Scrolls as well, it will probably be pretty s***.

when you consider how dumbed down each game they release is compared to the previous... I sadly agree that I have little hope for it.

I agree. New people added to the managing of how the game is built may be the reason for that. They just aren't cognizant of what makes it so the game keeps our interest the way the previous games have. The previous games were built by people who were more aware of what we were aware of in RL that added a bit of excitement to it.

 

[HadToRegister]

The last two Bethesda releases (Fallout 4 and Fallout 76) were both pretty lazy, and they didn't help the animosity towards Fallout 76, by pulling that crap with Fallout 4's "Season Pass" by deciding to up the price by $20 and give people a time limit to buy it at $30 instead of $50, then release some really really lazy DLC as worthless and stupid as EA's SPORE Creepy and Cute Parts Pack™, angering fans who, once all of the DLC was released, wondered WHY they bumped the season pass so much, when they really didn't deliver what they claimed it was worth.

To me, the price change felt like "Oh wow, we didn't charge enough for the Season Pass, let's raise it to $50"

Fallout 4, and the DLC, and some slightly shady things with the Season Pass and at least 3 DLC that were only worth $2.50 at most, is where the distrust for Bethesda started

Far Harbor felt like they spent time making that DLC, every other "Story" DLC felt quickly slapped together

I was mad when I realized that a LOT, and I mean a LOT, of Fallout 4, was just mods/mod ideas taken from Fallout 3/Fallout New Vegas and used to build Fallout 4, because Fallout 4 really doesn't have an identity, and doesn't really know what kind of game it wants to be.

 

Anyway, after having been burned by being fooled into buying the Overpriced Season Pass, and them pulling a bait-and-switch, I decided that I would NEVER buy another Bethesda game until it has been out for MONTHS, or I'll even wait for a GOTY edition and even then, wait for it to be on sale.

 

From the looks of it, Bethesda is going to only sell their games on their crappy website only, and that will probably stop me from buying any future game, because I just can't stand so many different "Clients" from different Game Devs on my system, with different Logins and Different passwords etc.

I haven't bought ANYTHING in several years from EA, unless it's on Steam, (even then, it's gotta be on sale, and I mean at LEAST 75% off) because I'm not going to bother opening that stupid "Origins Client" and logging in.
I also haven't bought anything from Blizzard because I don't see their games anywhere to buy.
Plus, I also avoid "Online Games" and "Online Service" games like the plague because I want the ability to play my game whenever I WANT, not only when a game company's servers are up.
Plus, I don't buy Online Games because eventually that company is either going to disappear, or they're going to take down their servers someday, which erases everything I've done and purchased.

I wish people who spend so much money on in-game hairstyles, clothes etc realize one day, that they're going to lose everything they paid for.
That's why I don't bother with loot boxes and any ga,e that has them in them.

[HeyYou]

The last two Bethesda releases (Fallout 4 and Fallout 76) were both pretty lazy, and they didn't help the animosity towards Fallout 76, by pulling that crap with Fallout 4's "Season Pass" by deciding to up the price by $20 and give people a time limit to buy it at $30 instead of $50, then release some really really lazy DLC as worthless and stupid as EA's SPORE Creepy and Cute Parts Pack™, angering fans who, once all of the DLC was released, wondered WHY they bumped the season pass so much, when they really didn't deliver what they claimed it was worth.

 

To me, the price change felt like "Oh wow, we didn't charge enough for the Season Pass, let's raise it to $50"

 

Fallout 4, and the DLC, and some slightly shady things with the Season Pass and at least 3 DLC that were only worth $2.50 at most, is where the distrust for Bethesda started

 

Far Harbor felt like they spent time making that DLC, every other "Story" DLC felt quickly slapped together

 

I was mad when I realized that a LOT, and I mean a LOT, of Fallout 4, was just mods/mod ideas taken from Fallout 3/Fallout New Vegas and used to build Fallout 4, because Fallout 4 really doesn't have an identity, and doesn't really know what kind of game it wants to be.

 

Anyway, after having been burned by being fooled into buying the Overpriced Season Pass, and them pulling a bait-and-switch, I decided that I would NEVER buy another Bethesda game until it has been out for MONTHS, or I'll even wait for a GOTY edition and even then, wait for it to be on sale.

 

From the looks of it, Bethesda is going to only sell their games on their crappy website only, and that will probably stop me from buying any future game, because I just can't stand so many different "Clients" from different Game Devs on my system, with different Logins and Different passwords etc.

 

I haven't bought ANYTHING in several years from EA, unless it's on Steam, (even then, it's gotta be on sale, and I mean at LEAST 75% off) because I'm not going to bother opening that stupid "Origins Client" and logging in.

I also haven't bought anything from Blizzard because I don't see their games anywhere to buy.

Plus, I also avoid "Online Games" and "Online Service" games like the plague because I want the ability to play my game whenever I WANT, not only when a game company's servers are up.

Plus, I don't buy Online Games because eventually that company is either going to disappear, or they're going to take down their servers someday, which erases everything I've done and purchased.

 

I wish people who spend so much money on in-game hairstyles, clothes etc realize one day, that they're going to lose everything they paid for.

That's why I don't bother with loot boxes and any ga,e that has them in them.

I think Star Citizen is the pinnacle of what is wrong with the gaming industry. That's just a cash cow, and I don't EVER expect it to be released in anything resembling a 'complete' form.

[DoctorKaizeld]

Oi lets not go dragging a good game with great devs into this. We are mad at betharts entertainment not roberts

[WakahisaSensei]

Everyone's s***ing on them cause Fallout 76 bombed hard and they're worried TES 6 will be bad but to be completely honesty, it's only Fallout where the quality drops with each entry, it started with the fantastic Fallout 3, then came the mediocre Fallout 4, then the terrible Fallout 76

 

(I'm not counting New Vegas cause Bethesda didn't develop it)

 

But the Elder Scrolls has been consistently really good, which I guess makes it clear which of their franchises Bethesda favors but still, if they keep this up I think we can expect TES 6 to be at least decent

 

Edit: Well f*** me, I was trying to make a point and apparently I missed the mark entirely, can I request closing this thread? No use for it being open if I or someone missed the point entirely

I think I'm getting your point. The Elder Scrolls series does tend to fair better than fallout. However, I can see some reasons to be concerned regardless.

 

While I do fault them for fallout 76, for me its more about the company response and behavior than just the technical flaws (though technical flaws are significant in this case.) Fallout 76 is not really related to my personal fears regarding TES 6 (and Bethesda in general) but it serves a bit as a reminder of my two chief concerns regarding them. The first is their outdated game engine (which both series run on) and the second is their company practices and behavior (which is a concern with any game company. Just look at Blizzard or even Nintendo (which I'll admit I normally have on a pedestal). All companies have rough spots, but the way a company handles it shows what how the company thinks.

 

I think Boogie said it best (though both quotes were from francis skits so they're a bit exaggerated to his true feelings).

 

Regarding Bethesda in general: "They're using an ancient game engine. They haven't updated their game engine in like, forever." I know I'll probably like TES 6, but I expect it to be fraught with problems, some of which won't be new.

 

Regarding Fallout 76 he said: "There are glitches in fallout 76 that were in fallout 4. They had years to fix this." A recurring problem in Bethesda is not fixing known problems, regardless of how long they've had time to fix them.

 

Unlike past games through steam. Bethesda went through its own website with no return policy. In many nations Bethesda's return policy completely violates the law and is generally unethical. It even carries the appearance that it was intentional to some degree. So while I do expect TES 6 to be good as you also seem to expect, they aren't updating their software the way other companies do and sooner or later it will seriously bite them in the ass (as it did with Fallout 76) and their companies practices have been highly unethical and in some jurisdictions illegal. Some countries have threatened a complete ban of Bethesda products if they don't rectify their return policy issues to meet legal requirements.

 

Now, for my personal opinion regarding all of this. I do not mind glitches. Exploiting glitches is a big hobby of mind, so as long as it doesn't impede my progress (to a permanent degree) I don't mind glitches. Granted, graphical glitches that are frequent to the sonic series can be a bit unprofessional in my opinion, it does give a certain charm. So I'm not worried about TES 6 having glitches. I am worried that it won't have anything new to offer, and that certain things won't be fixed. My biggest complaint for TES 5 was how they had like 5 voice actors for the whole game. I'm really hoping TES 6 will have a broader cast of voices. I'm also hoping the game-play brings something unique (the way TES 5 brought shouting to the game for example).

 

I don't really play fallout so the series itself does not concern me. I am concerned with company practices and ethics though. Bethesda needs to be better than this. I personally don't believe this was an intentional effort to rip off consumers for a knowingly bad game, but its not hard to see why some people would think it was intentional.

 

Still, there is quite some time before TES 6 most likely, considering the pattern of release dates for each series. They have plenty of time to learn from the criticisms and make adjustments. Will it be perfect? Nothing is. Will it be good? I think so.

[lithan1]

I guess you guys are right but in all honesty the Elder Scrolls games being more simplified with each entry doesn't bother me

(The dice roll hit system in Morrowind was bullshit, fight me, it worked in Elder Scrolls 1 and 2 cause they used 2D Sprites in a 3D Environment so I can understand the dice roll system there but not in Morrowind which is full 3D)

 

and i'll admit, I should have worded better what I said about Fallout 4, a good game, yes but a terrible Fallout game (Honestly Fallout 4 has become just boring for me, and none of the quest mods released for it seem to help)

 

but when I said I believe TES 6 will be at least decent, I mean Game Engine notwithstanding, cause in all honesty they should have retired it before Skyrim but Skyrim is still amazing, it and Oblivion are my favorite Elder Scrolls games, not denying it has flaws (I really don't give a Skeever's ass about the main questline)

 

Bottom line, I suck at correctly wording my point until after the fact and i'm sorry for that

[HeyYou]

Actually, the game engine gets updated for each successive game. The current engine is head and shoulders above what it was originally. I mean, seriously, the original engine was 32 bit, now it's 64. That is a pretty significant re-write. It HAS been updated to take advantage of advances in computer technology, I just wish it could actually make efficient use of more than two cores...... Being able to FULLY use my quad core processor would be stellar. (and the folks with intel quads with hyper threading? Wow.) That would be a major performance improvement.