darkofan Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 The way I see it, in such a magically-saturated reality most cultures would have no real need for technology to advance as fast as it has done in the real world. the Dwemer are a big exception, since their near abandonment of magicka and gods was because of their cultural beliefs, whereas most, if not all "people" in Tamriel believe in magicka, Daedra and Aedra. Unlike the real world, however, these elements actually have physical power, they can be used in place of advanced technology. And they don't need to be smart to use some of it either, anyone can swing an enchanted sword and set someone alight. :3 So... Guns like a musket would fit Elder Scrolls if they are Dwemer-made. It'd contradict their lore entirely. If they had guns, don't you think they would've mounted their spheres with muskets, and not crossbows? not necessarily, crossbows would be much easier to load automatically on an automaton than a musket would be with the black powder, ball, and wedge... so there goes that argument and besides the muskets don't have to be invented by the dwarves... Considering just how advanced the Dwemer are? I'm sure they're capable of making reloadable muskets, whether it was based off black power, ball, and wedge or not. With all the mages, and alchmists in skyrim and all of tamriel I'm sure someone would have found a mixture of chemicals or other ingredients that explode in a way similar to black powder and then I'm sure someone else would put that to a simple practical use such as pushing a little metal ball out of a thin metal barrel that you can carry... it's really not that complicated seriously, I made a simple gun powder gun in my back yard I'm pretty sure that all the alchemsits and blacksmiths in skyrim can make a simple musket type firearm,... c'mon! Easy for you, perhaps, but you likely had prior knowledge of it. Invent something new and tell us how easy it was for you to come up with it. Then we'll talk.And even if they could invent, why? They're capable of tossing out flaming explosions/ice spikes/ice storms/lightning bolts from their palms, why would they research a simple ball exploding out of a metal tube extensively when they have more fantastic and devastating spells on hand? If you want it in a mod, fine, but it doesn't make any sense when you consider just how powerful magic is in comparison. why doesn't everyone just use magic then... what's the point of bows and swords or any other kinds of weapons when there's magic? Why eat when you can just heal yourself whenever you become injured from hunger, why do anything when there's magic, there's a spell for that, what's the point... your argument is invalid, the fact that there are people who do not use magic would constitute the presence of firearms. your argument states that magic should be the only weapon... yet it is not... if there were guns the non magic users would use them over bows if they preferred... There's no reason why they wouldn't and with the education that all the mages have in skyrim it would make so much sense that some sort of explosive device would have been discovered through alchemy and that device could be used for so many applications, including simple black powder type fire arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayFrosty05 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 (edited) ........................... If you want it in a mod, fine, but it doesn't make any sense when you consider just how powerful magic is in comparison. why doesn't everyone just use magic then... what's the point of bows and swords or any other kinds of weapons when there's magic? Why eat when you can just heal yourself whenever you become injured from hunger, why do anything when there's magic, there's a spell for that, what's the point... your argument is invalid, the fact that there are people who do not use magic would constitute the presence of firearms. your argument states that magic should be the only weapon... yet it is not... if there were guns the non magic users would use them over bows if they preferred... There's no reason why they wouldn't and with the education that all the mages have in skyrim it would make so much sense that some sort of explosive device would have been discovered through alchemy and that device could be used for so many applications, including simple black powder type fire arms A point to also remember for anyone who want's to speak 'Lore'....this is Skyrim, Nords as a general rule do not trust magic....that leaves me quite sure that if the majority of Nords did have a choice they would certainly favor a projectile weapon over magic. Personally I wouldn't enjoy guns/muskets in my game....I much prefer the Bow and Crossbow....but that being said, if Nords had guns, I am sure they would use them.....And like darkofan, I don't enjoy playing Mages either, never have...I play a Nord and the closest he gets to anything magical are 'Shouts' (if Shouts are even magic, I don't think their meant to be) and Poisons Alchemy, which isn't magic....so I used ranged weapons rather than magic....Bows/Crossbows. Edited August 21, 2012 by StayFrosty05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkofan Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 now that there is a new dwarven rifle out (http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/22545/) it's obvious that this can be done, and as close as this mod is, it is still not a musket... please someone just make one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poli13 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) I realy hope somebody make a musket mod in skyrim becouse I simpely love those things and it woud be so awsome to go out in the wildernes in skyrim wander around searching for animals or random bandits to kill spot them sneak up to them pull out the musket and line up a nice shoot on them (specialy if the enemy is a mage/necromancer now ho is the boss in ranged combat loser!!! hahahaha). Youse the bandoler mod for pouches a chainmail armor mod wiht a nice fithing helmet and woala I coud finaly do my mercenary/nomad hunter character wiht musket as a main weapon. Edited August 22, 2012 by poli13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rift117 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I personally love the idea of a musket or pistol in Skyrim, and the cross bow would work great! the only downside is, who ever cant afford Dawnguard or just don't want it cant download the mod. so in which case try and make a new Dawnguard free rifle animation. near impossible, maybe. good idea, i think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rift117 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 also as my addition to this argument, not everyone in TES can use magic. remember the guy you randomly meet who's trying to resurrect a wolf(hint: he gives you an uncharged staff)? no? then look it up, iv meet him on at least 5 chars on Skyrim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bscross32 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Normally, i'm all into bringing guns into games that most people would say what the hell is wrong with you but Skyrim, no, I just can't see it. now maybe having a cannon you can pull with your horse and set up and fire would be cool, or maybe adding Roman candles or some other contrivance that would use black powder i can agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladerRavinger92 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Alright in that case, I take back what I said. But I'll put my 5 cents in, the addition of muskets really would make the gameplay more interesting. Imagine if every single guard had a gun, and you (the player) only had armor, a sword, and a shield. Can you imagine how much harder the game would be than? :3 As far as I am aware, didn't Crossbows actually pack more punch than flintlocks? Will pass on the guns myself...I don't like using magic either, but love Bows and Crossbows.... wishing you the best of luck in your endeavors to get them in your game Darkofan. Edit: Hang on, I think I have seen a gun mod for Skyrim....will be back with the link if I can find it. 2nd Edit: Found it, is this the kind of thing your looking for?: http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/mods/8533 thanks for the link but I already downloaded that mod... It's just a pistol witch is nice but I want a rifle... Well i offer you, If Someone builds me a mesh, then i will Texture it and load it into game for you, anyone that helps with the creation of the mod will be credited will you also hook up the crosbow animations for the model if i or someone else makes it? and would you make it a stand alone, or a crossbow replacer, or have to separate download options? I would Like it to be a replacer, but I know some people wouldn't so... Anyway I only know alittle about 3D modeling so It'll prolly take me a while to make this so if anyone else thinks they can do it PLEASE do so...thanks!!! and super thanks for your offer to help BladerRavinger92! :) i shall firstly make the stand alone, eventually a replacer, then i shall make a mod the takes all bows out and replaces them with guns. so every guard has a gun instead of a bow (note: this is a long term goal and il need a lot of time and help getting there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladerRavinger92 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 not necessarily, crossbows would be much easier to load automatically on an automaton than a musket would be with the black powder, ball, and wedge... so there goes that argument and besides the muskets don't have to be invented by the dwarves... With all the mages, and alchmists in skyrim and all of tamriel I'm sure someone would have found a mixture of chemicals or other ingredients that explode in a way similar to black powder and then I'm sure someone else would put that to a simple practical use such as pushing a little metal ball out of a thin metal barrel that you can carry... it's really not that complicated seriously, I made a simple gun powder gun in my back yard I'm pretty sure that all the alchemsits and blacksmiths in skyrim can make a simple musket type firearm,... c'mon! bugger off, the musket rifle made loading easyer, a pre made packet with powder, ball and wad was produced to drop in the top of a musket and be ready to fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewen Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) ok... it's obvious that the animations for the crossbow, now in Skyrim, are perfect for rifles. But for some reason everyone is against the idea. They say it's un-lorish or that it would ruin the game, or "it's Skyrim not fable." Personally fable 2 is my favorite fable, and having musket rifles would also just make the game way more fun for someone who doesn't like using magic (me). And now for the fools who say that it's "not lore friendly" D'X or that it doesn't fit in with the medieval style of the game... you're wrong. If you take a look at 90% of all the architecture in the game (not including ruins) you'll find that it's way more renaissance style than it is medieval WAY MORE! so to me it's un-lorish to be walking around in a full suit of extremely decorated and unrealistic looking armor with an unrealistically giant battle-axe on my back through a town that's more fitting to Shakespeare. It would look and feel so much better if everyone was wearing tricorner hats carrying sabers rapiers muskets and flintlock pistols. And if you think flintlocks are taking it too far then make it a matchlock, whatever. And you don't have to have the whole "stuffing the ball down the barrel" animation the crossbow one is just fine. And imagine if the imperials were dressed as british redcoats and the the stormcloaks were dressed as the americans of the revolutionary war. Now don't say "oh just get assassin's creed three" or something like that I will get that game but it won't hold my interest as long as an elder scrolls game and the level of detail won't be nearly as great. And that's another thing, the forks and plates and knives in skyrim along with the abundance of books and other writings are not medieval at all they are purly renaissance not to mention almost all the clothing... And I don't want to hear people saying that "it's a fantasy game it doesn't have to be realistic" I know that idc I want it to be realistic! and yes I know Shakespeare was around long before the american revolution ok don't make comments about that. Someone please just make a musket using the crossbow animations and as a bonus maybe add some clothes and armour from relative time periods and maybe replace the guard, imperial, and stormcloak armor's, thankyou! ps: the dawngaurd armour is pretty renaissance looking without the helmet, if someone could just make a red and a blue version, of the dawnguard armour WITH SLEEVES and FULL TUNIC, (u know whuch one I'm talking about) and then replace the stormcloak , and imperial armour's with those it would be close enough. Or a retex of the college robes would work. (the ones that are open in front) thanks so much. Please please if u have the models and the skills, make this mod I will be so thankful... video of matchlock musket http://youtu.be/2KTS8PQ06Qo video of flintlock musket http://youtu.be/Ho-QCmnNMl8 If someone could not only make the rifles but also the armour/clothing shown in the videos that would be amazing, THANKS! I my friend have an idea that will make Muskets fit in this here game. Make a custom dwarf race then make Muskets that that dwarven race has to assemble from scrap parts in all those Dwemer ruins. That would make it fit perfectly. Especially if it were called an ancient Prototype Dwemer musket.\ Edited August 23, 2012 by brewen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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