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10 out of 139 for Fallout 4 for me, including a couple that I REALLY like. The authors linked alternate sources in their profiles though.

10 out of 139 for Fallout 4 for me, including a couple that I REALLY like. The authors linked alternate sources in their profiles though.

What games do you want to play? Where are you at, and how much do you want to spend?

I suspect you would have to check each one individually.... Which for some, can be quite a long list. :D We will never know just how many authors have left over this, or how many files have been removed. Nexus staff will know, but, I highly doubt they will tell us.....

That's because theft is theft, the difference simply doesn't matter at all. I UNDERSTAND the difference just fine, I just don't see it as legally justifiable. This isn't a self defense homicide case after all. There is no situation in which someone can claim the piracy of someone else's content was justified. That YOU don't see THIS distinction is frankly very disturbing and I'd be utterly unsurprised at this point if you're on the Nexus payroll. Morrowwind modding history did the same thing when a couple hosting sites announced they were shutting down. And sure, while it is not technically legal, I would much prefer that SOMEONE kept those files available, rather than having them simply disappear into the mists of time. Several authors have come along and thanked them for doing so, some others have come along and requested their mods be removed, and they were. The rest either don't know, or don't care.....

I find it very impressive that after 113 pages in the thread you still haven't understood that technically there isn't a single logically understandable reason why you shouldn't be able to delete mods for the implementation of the Collection System. If anything this is a corporate policy decision, but certainly not something that needs to be implemented for the greater good of all. It's clear that some people here suffer from extreme veteran entitlement around here so this will be my last post here. It's pretty obvious that a certain number of people can't see past their own noses. They can't understand how having a mod list that is stable and guaranteed to work with older and tested versions of mods is paramount to the success of any collection system. It's like saying that people should all be using test branches of software instead of stable versions because the test versions have extra features but might break everything. I can understand the frustration of having some privileges/rights that you used to have suddenly taken away from you, but I find "very impressive" how after 113 pages you still can't see how this will greatly improve the system's functionality for everyone else. Keep being you. The gifs were entertaining. Nobody really cares :D Wabbajack, and autmatron have been doing the exact same thing for a couple years now, WITHOUT depriving mod authors of rights. It is up to the LIST AUTHOR to keep them up to date. Why anyone would want a collection with outdated (and possibly buggy) mod in it, is a question I don't have an answer for.

I find it very impressive that after 113 pages in the thread you still haven't understood that technically there isn't a single logically understandable reason why you shouldn't be able to delete mods for the implementation of the Collection System. If anything this is a corporate policy decision, but certainly not something that needs to be implemented for the greater good of all. Well, maybe not 'all'..... But, nexus will certainly profit from it, users will benefit from it, it will make mod list authors lives easier, as all they need to do is set up their collection, upload the file, and they never have to touch it again, even if every mod in it gets updated....... Mod Authors? I don't see any benefit for them at all. They lose the ability to delete outdated, possibly buggy mods. If those mods are included in collections.... well, you get an outdated, or buggy collection. How is that a benefit to anyone??

Not alienating your content providers would probably be a good idea....... If you can't see that, then you need to wake up.

Trouble is, Nexus has recently made a few decisions that seriously eroded that trust with the very people that provide the content. Not a smart move.

When you contribute to an open source project, it is with the understanding that you have no ownership in anything you contribute, and that it is all essentially in the public domain. That has never been the case with mods. In fact, the licensing agreements that come with some game's modding kits specifically state that the author of any mod created with such kit owns the IP rights to their creations. Perhaps you've not noticed this, but every mod uploaded to Nexus has a list of specific permissions the author may set to their liking. Authors may elect to allow their works to be used with or without permission, with or without attribution, and there are other settings as well. You might have already seen some collections of textures, armors, weapons, etc., created by someone who simply pulled together a lot of individual items that had been created by various other authors - with their permission. That, along with the ability to delete files has been the tradition here at the Nexus. And the management here has traditionally been very supportive of authors' rights. These new policies are a significant departure. I fully understand that. I also fully understand why they want to change that and only time will tell if it was a good or bad decision. I just don't like when people list everything like it's all doom and gloom like that guy saying that something becoming more popular/mainstream brings no benefits at all only negatives.. There are reasons why they are doing this in such a way and I agree with their reasons. Nobody here is right or wrong, we'll have to see what happens. Nexus is doing this for ONE reason. Money. The 'one-button-install' will only work for premium members. More traffic equals more dollars from advertising. Etc. Mod authors will get essentially zero benefit from this. Donation points are worth .001 dollar. No one is ever going to be able to 'make a living' from downloads here. Just not gonna happen. The decision was wrong. The implementation was outright horrid. "collections" have been a thing for a couple years now. WITHOUT keeping other peoples work, regardless of their feelings about it. If a mod in a list disappeared, it was up to the LIST AUTHOR to deal with it. Why that is suddenly seen as an imposition on list authors here at nexus, is beyond me.

I put some weight on what processor I am running as well. Nvidia just seem to play nicer with intel chips. :D

The Bethesda ToS for the Construction set, (and the EULA) specifically state that mod authors OWN their work. There is no ambiguity there at all. As a matter of fact, I would challenge you to come up with a couple games that DON'T grant ownership to the author. Sure, they can't SELL it, but, they STILL OWN IT. You didn't read what I said did you? Because I literally said the same thing you just did. And this is how I know some of you just run on emotions and don't bother to read anything. Edit: Here .. I enlarged it substantially for you. I specifically mentioned that as a counter-point to what you were claiming. I don't bother reading thru your complete word salads any more, as you are basically stating the same thing over and over again, maybe in a slightly different way. And where are the examples of game companies that DON'T grant ownership of mods to their authors? I note you didn't answer that part.

Not many folks like Donny as a person. In fact, I don't think I could name even one. :)

In truth, legally this is how most mods typically work, at least as far as I remember. When you make a mod for a game, you usually don't have ownership of it unless the mod in question doesn't use any tool or assets from the game in question. Meaning if you posted it, even if the site allowed you to delete it ... legally anyone could repost it. But most sites would still typically be against that just out of respect for the mod author. BGS games in particular are a bit more on the unique side due to their ToS, where BGS does allow mod authors to retain ownership, course with caveats like you can't sell it. I will say though, I do agree modding works best when it's done in a manner where it's more open source, a contribution to a community rather than ... "I own this, it's mine ... I decide if you can have it or not". But I mean ... it is what it is. As you can see, plenty of people feel that way, and it's not like they are wrong to do so. It's their right, even if I personally don't agree. The Bethesda ToS for the Construction set, (and the EULA) specifically state that mod authors OWN their work. There is no ambiguity there at all. As a matter of fact, I would challenge you to come up with a couple games that DON'T grant ownership to the author. Sure, they can't SELL it, but, they STILL OWN IT.

I thought so too. :D Also, being able to load your list from a local drive...... Storage space is dirt cheap after all. :D (for those that can install another HDD/SSD in any event.)

They'll just do what current Mod List makers do, and start a patreon. One that's makes an "Adult" mod list makes around $189/mo from subscribers. (And before the usual trolls jump in, I KNOW the mod lists can't be paywalled,, there's no need to jump in here and try and correct the hell out of me, for something that doesn't need correcting, so calm yourselves) A selection of mod authors also have patreons.... Nothin' new there either.

Currently, anyone can include any mod in a 'collection'. The various authors have no say in it at all. (and this is already happening via wabbajack, so, not like its something new.) Your second example though, would be considered a 'derivative work', and the author DOES have some say in that. List curators won't be paid. Not like an employee at any rate. They will be similar to mod authors, in that they author a list, and upload that, which the tool (vortex) can then install the mods in that list, and to some users game. Nexus take on it is to remove the right of mod authors to delete their mods, so that a collection will 'always work'..... Assuming it worked from the get-go. :)

Erm, don't want vortex to use data? Don't download any mods with it...... Vortex can't magically download anything without burning thru your data allotment.

I honestly don't think that answering our questions or addressing our concerns was a priority. I know all of mine were completely ignored by the Powers That Be. That's the impression I get. The only time staff steps in and posts here, is to chastize us for saying "nexus is claiming ownership"...... None of the other concerns have been addressed, no talk of possible alternatives to the current course, just 'our way, or the highway'. Of course, the 'collections' system is still not finalized, so, it's possible that they simply don't have answers to some of the questions... Still, would be nice if they would just say that. But then, the deadline is rapidly approaching, after which, the new direction is going to be it. Upload here? It's here forever. Doesn't matter if it's broken, buggy, etc. You CAN'T delete it. Can't even hide it from the API. All your older versions will remain forever available to mod list authors..... And we all know how important it is that they shouldn't be bothered with keeping their lists up to date..... So, mod authors should just accept their fate, and bend over for nexus.... Or not.

Pretty easy not to co-opt the thread, actually. Just stop telling other people that they aren't allowed to post in it. That's it. That's all you have to do. Allow other people to post without trying to be a self-appointed moderator. Kinda like what you are doing here??? You missed the whole point of that sentence by the way.

Internet Explorer? :D

:) Hey, there is a member in the Fallout Section looking for where you moved your mods to. :D Might wanna give 'em a link.

Incorrect. First of all, a "poor me" defense, isn't even something that I have ever heard before. Sounds pretty made up. Second, I didn't even say anyone was specifically against me in that comment, as I literally stated it was used against anyone (keyword ... anyone) here who disagrees with them. It hasn't even just been me who has brought up the poor usage of troll here, as several people have. And all you are doing now is trying to antagonize and patronize me. Which just shows the kind of person you are. Edit: I would say ... not surprising from someone with only 15 posts, but many people here have proven post count means nothing when it comes to fairly poor behavior. Hey, I know! Lets get BACK ON TOPIC. Arguing about semantics, who is a troll, who is not, is a waste of time, effort, energy, and forum space. What I find amusing, in a sad sort of way, is the number of folks I have been seeing asking "Hey, where did X mod go???". Seems to be a fair bit of that going around. :D

When I click on 'Add Comment', an editor opens up right below the button, in the same window. Same thing for Reply.

Use Better console to get the base ID of the terminal that is invisible. (if you can....) Use that to compare to the Base ID of the one that is visible. Better console also feeds you some other useful information. (requires F4SE...) See if anything interesting turns up there.