I doubt much can or will be done with this game.

[dw420]

58 minutes ago, HeyYou said:

"It'll be several years before we come out with another game, and this will all be forgotten, and the sheep will still flock to us with their pre-orders."

...Yeah.
I guess my whole attitude comes from the same realisation.
I've  felt for years that if we (as consumers) keep on buying the FIFAs , 2ks and Starfields...we're screwed. And since no outside party is going to give us the hairdryer treatment , because it suits them better as is..I'm vending in public.

I just wish there was a way to slap some sense back into the gamers <self included, i'm guilty of buying A LOT of games on release day due to sheer excitement>

[HeyYou]

36 minutes ago, dw420 said:

...Yeah.
I guess my whole attitude comes from the same realisation.
I've  felt for years that if we (as consumers) keep on buying the FIFAs , 2ks and Starfields...we're screwed. And since no outside party is going to give us the hairdryer treatment , because it suits them better as is..I'm vending in public.

I just wish there was a way to slap some sense back into the gamers <self included, i'm guilty of buying A LOT of games on release day due to sheer excitement>

The trouble is, for ever one gamer that takes a stand, there are a thousand that don't, and even the crappiest of games sell "well". So, basically, we're screwed.

[matilija]

There are no doubt issues with this game that should be addressed, Beth has stated that they plan to have a patch every ~6 weeks this year, hopefully they stick to that plan and actually fix things, I'll give them until April to prove they actually intend to maintain this game, and if they fulfill their end of the bargain, I'll probably stick with it and continue to mod it to my hearts content, if they fail to live up to their announced plans, then I'll probably move on and not look back. 

That said, despite all of their flaws, I've spent more time playing various BGS RPG's than any other franchise save World of Warcraft which might just edge them out in total play time.  I don't think I could honestly say I'm not still interested in the types of games BGS offers, but what I wouldn't give for another studio to offer a similar style of open world game that is better polished that also gets the mod support that every BGS game gets.  I'm thinking Warhorse Studios KCD but with real modding support.  If that happened, BGS would have no choice but to either improve, or fail imho.

[HeyYou]

29 minutes ago, matilija said:

There are no doubt issues with this game that should be addressed, Beth has stated that they plan to have a patch every ~6 weeks this year, hopefully they stick to that plan and actually fix things, I'll give them until April to prove they actually intend to maintain this game, and if they fulfill their end of the bargain, I'll probably stick with it and continue to mod it to my hearts content, if they fail to live up to their announced plans, then I'll probably move on and not look back. 

That said, despite all of their flaws, I've spent more time playing various BGS RPG's than any other franchise save World of Warcraft which might just edge them out in total play time.  I don't think I could honestly say I'm not still interested in the types of games BGS offers, but what I wouldn't give for another studio to offer a similar style of open world game that is better polished that also gets the mod support that every BGS game gets.  I'm thinking Warhorse Studios KCD but with real modding support.  If that happened, BGS would have no choice but to either improve, or fail imho.

And I think you just nailed the largest part of the problem. Beth really doesn't have any real competition in this segment..... Hence, they can get away with things, that other companies can't. (as they actually HAVE real competitors....) But, I don't see any indie game studio being able to come up with something similar... at least, not without writing their own game engine, and creating their own development tools... And that is a HUGE investment, that you can't afford, UNLESS you have some major corporation backing you. And that would defeat the entire purpose of having an indie studio doing it. (not chained to ESG scores, and being politically correct.)

[matilija]

1 minute ago, HeyYou said:

And I think you just nailed the largest part of the problem. Beth really doesn't have any real competition in this segment..... Hence, they can get away with things, that other companies can't. (as they actually HAVE real competitors....) But, I don't see any indie game studio being able to come up with something similar... at least, not without writing their own game engine, and creating their own development tools... And that is a HUGE investment, that you can't afford, UNLESS you have some major corporation backing you. And that would defeat the entire purpose of having an indie studio doing it. (not chained to ESG scores, and being politically correct.)

Yeah, I was just using KCD as an example, because honestly, when I played it I got really big Oblivion Vibes sans the magic, but the story was way better written and voice acted, and the game was infinitely more polished, but unfortunately it never had the modding support to really compete with what BGS had released years earlier in both Oblivion and Skyrim. 

[xrayy]

i hope bethesda realizes that they (not unpayed modders) have to do a lot of homework! but it seems they are still not fully aware of that...   realizing their own responsibility as the game studio in charge for a working game concept should be the first step in the right direction. additional modding and update support is surely welcome but in my opinion it will not work as a full solution for this game in the current state.

 

[HeyYou]

9 hours ago, xrayy said:

i hope bethesda realizes that they (not unpayed modders) have to do a lot of homework! but it seems they are still not fully aware of that... arguing with hopes for modding support or realizing their own responsibility as the game studio in charge for a working game concept would be the step in the right direction. additional modding and update support is surely welcome but in my opinion it will not work as a full solution for this game in the current state!

 

No, it won't. That's one of the reasons the CK isn't out yet. Now, lets see if beth actually FIXES a bunch of their goofs.

[an0nym0uz]

On 1/1/2024 at 6:02 PM, HeyYou said:

The trouble is, for ever one gamer that takes a stand, there are a thousand that don't, and even the crappiest of games sell "well". So, basically, we're screwed.

so true

[TheFallofApril]

The number of mods already went down from over a thousand a week to under 100. That is a massive decrease. Still there are great mods being released on a weekly basis that fix many annoying things in the base game. They just don´t get much attention due to the relatively small user base the game still has. Four months after release the biggest game of 2023 (at least in terms of marketing, hype, expectations) hardly has over 15.000 players on Steam. The two best ways to increase the player numbers again is a steep discoint (the game is already available for under 40 €/$) and working extremely hard, patching the game, releasing new features and giving the fan base the feeling that the devs actually care. 

[HeyYou]

9 hours ago, TheFallofApril said:

The number of mods already went down from over a thousand a week to under 100. That is a massive decrease. Still there are great mods being released on a weekly basis that fix many annoying things in the base game. They just don´t get much attention due to the relatively small user base the game still has. Four months after release the biggest game of 2023 (at least in terms of marketing, hype, expectations) hardly has over 15.000 players on Steam. The two best ways to increase the player numbers again is a steep discoint (the game is already available for under 40 €/$) and working extremely hard, patching the game, releasing new features and giving the fan base the feeling that the devs actually care. 

There is only so much you can do without the CK. We should be seeing that in the not too distant future, and we should see at least one decent patch, if not more before that happens. I would expect that more folks will become interested after the CK releases, some folks will want to mod the game, even more than they already are, others will see what new and interesting things the modders are putting out. Should be fun.