Rating system overhaul

[Offkorn]

I cannot seem to choose to not endorse a file. I think that function may be broken or not working.

 

Worked fine for me a few days ago. You click the link, a little message box pops up with several choices, you choose one of them and the Mod gets a non-endorsement. There's no comment or anything attached to it though, and you may need to refresh the page to see that it got added.

[worm82075]

Ancient Aeon, if you are going to quote me, make sure you understand what it is I'm trying to say. The point I am making by that comment is that many of the American memebers don't like having how we think forced upon us. Europe has lived with a "top down" system for thousands of years. America broke away from that (even though we seem to be going back).

 

"Any society that would give up a little freedom for a little security deserves neither and will lose both." - Ben Franklin

 

Oh god. I just want to raise the ironic point of you speaking for your fellow Americans while defending your idea of having things "forced upon [us]".

 

Indeed, speak for yourself. There is only one American that can rightly speak on behalf of all Americans so unless your name is Barrak keep me out of your mouth, OK?

[buddah]

@ TheOzoneHole

 

Last time I checked membership here was voluntary....you chose to be here, therefore nothing is forced upon you.

 

If you are speaking for all Americans, I would suggest you ask the rest of US what we think before you assume to be the spokesman for all.

 

You quote speaks volumes, tell us what have you done to secure yours and our freedoms? Or do you just quote the wisdom of others to feel superior? A fool will quote a wise man, but a wise man will not quote a fool. (Buddah)

 

I prefer those of actions, words are just that words. Actions define who and what we are as individuals. So tell us other than you opinions, what have you brought to enhance and enlighten the community?

 

It is easy to stand on the sidewalk and tell the workers they are doing it wrong. It is another matter to take the initiative and actually do something and own it and your actions and take responsibility for it.

 

If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem and that is your choice. You may not like the whole system, but surely there must be something about it you do.

[TheOzoneHole]

Post Edited: Sorry Smith.

 

Indeed, speak for yourself. There is only one American that can rightly speak on behalf of all Americans so unless your name is Barrak keep me out of your mouth, OK?

 

That one does not speak for all America. I am in no way shape or form sorry that I am an American, nor am I sorry for the actions taken by America under previous Presidents. If you want to give all your freedom to the CEO of America, be my guest, but don't you evening f-ing think of trying to drag me with you, you got me?

 

1,100,000 members

150,000 ratings

 

150,000 / 1,100,000 * 100 = the actual percentage

150,000 / 1,100,000 * 100 = 14%

 

Don't give me that gestimation and rounding garbage Dark0ne.

 

(6618 + 592 = (7210) + 788 = (7998) + 596 = (8594) + 1506 = (10100) + 1198 = (11298) + 2555 + (13853) + 6665 = (20518) + 13111 = (33629) + 115701 = [149,330].

(And that is the fifth time I've run the math.)

As to the number of members I am looking at the main nexus forum page at the bottom where it lists members as follows: "We have 1111043 registered members[.]"

Therefore, the percentage comes out to 13.4489%. 13.5 would be required to round up to 14%. And as I said before, that would only be if each member got one rating. I know that I account for about twenty of those ratings. Most in the eight to ten range.

Frthermore, how many of those ratings come from TESNexus and how many from Fallout 3 Nexus? You said on one of your news postings, "Another We're Banning You Because you Can't Read" I believe it was, that most of the problems are in the Fallout community rather than the Elder Scrolls community. Rather than simply making one overarching change to the system, I'd would encourage you to, next time, test the change and see how well it works.

Edited July 14, 2009 by TheOzoneHole

[HugePinball]

To follow up on a few previous comments about a rating to try to determine mod "quality" independent of popularity, I wrote a quick Greasemonkey script to test a couple stat calculations. Any Greasemonkey users can go here to install it and take a look.

 

With the current version you will see two new stats on all Fallout 3 Nexus search pages (marked with stars). They are Endorsements/Day and Endorsements/1000 Downloads.

 

I think it's pretty clear that as a file's number of downloads increase, it's number of endorsements don't keep increasing at the same rate, so that stat will almost always start going down as a mod's popularity really starts to shoot up.

 

On the other hand Endorsements/Day will continue be higher for more popular mods, although by itself this is a useful value to compare the response to mods that have been around for about the same amount of time.

 

Since these two stats seem to have opposite relationships with a mod's popularity, I'm going to try to find some calculation combining the factors of number of Endorsements, number of Downloads, and File age that might seem balanced.

[Smith099]

@Ozone:

Cousin, shut up.

 

@Buddah:

Your little quote is very nice. However, it can't be taken very seriously due to the simple fact that you are a moderator. (No disrespect is intended.) My point is that if Dark0ne doesn't like something you do, then you can loose that postition. What are we doing to secrue the freedoms of Americans? Working in all ways that we lawfully can to oppose the persons in control of the American government, that is what. Kinda like the hippies, but without the drugs and with our heads on correctly.

Actions speak louder than words. To that end I've hidden all of my files from public viewing. I would have prefered to simply turn off endorsements, however as that has not been made an option, (and I believe it should be made one for exiting as well as new files) so this is the result. Further, I will not be allowing ratings on any future files I might post on the Nexi.

 

Dark0ne, I was thinking about getting a premium account on the Nexus. Now I'm wondering if I should stay here at all. As Buddah said, membership is voluntary, I don't have to stay here. Giskad, JQ, and Mr. Dave all left because the community couldn't quit bashing them. As I recall, Kendo quit being an overly active modder for the same reason. I'm thinking of leaving due to the heavy handed policies I'm seeing from the site staff.

With respects, I think you need to remember that not everyone is going to like your decisions, and that compromise does sometimes work.

Edited July 14, 2009 by Smith099

[buddah]

@Ozone:

Cousin, shut up.

 

@Buddah:

Your little quote is very nice. However, it can't be taken very seriously due to the simple fact that you are a moderator. (No disrespect is intended.) My point is that if Dark0ne doesn't like something you do, then you can loose that postition. What are we doing to secrue the freedoms of Americans? Working in all ways that we lawfully can to oppose the persons in control of the American government, that is what. Kinda like the hippies, but without the drugs and with our heads on correctly.

Actions speak louder than words. To that end I've hidden all of my files from public viewing. I would have prefered to simply turn off endorsements, however as that has not been made an option, (and I believe it should be made one for exiting as well as new files) so this is the result. Further, I will not be allowing ratings on any future files I might post on the Nexi.

 

Dark0ne, I was thinking about getting a premium account on the Nexus. Now I'm wondering if I should stay here at all. As Buddah said, membership is voluntary, I don't have to stay here. Giskad, JQ, and Mr. Dave all left because the community couldn't quit bashing them. As I recall, Kendo quit being an overly active modder for the same reason. I'm thinking of leaving due to the heavy handed policies I'm seeing from the site staff.

With respects, I think you need to remember that not everyone is going to like your decisions, and that compromise does sometimes work.

 

 

Yes Dark0ne can and probably will tell me to take a hike at some time, I serve here at his pleasure.

 

Yes, we exercise our privilege to vote for those who lead us. I lived through the time of the Hippies, many friends chose the path of the love and peace generation. I chose a different path and spent 20 years of my life to ensure that all Americans continue to have the rights that our fore fathers wrote into the constitution and bill of rights. Then another 21 years in the IRR and got done four years ago.

 

Giskard is still actively modding but has moved on to fallout3. But he cannot post his works here for reasons that are best left unspoken. Mr Dave pulled all his work of this site quite sometime ago for reasons that are his own and has had nothing good to say about the nexus. Kendo2 retired from active modding for oblivion and asked that I move his work to a caretaker account, and he is actively modding for fallout3, he has released a couple of mods here in the last few days.

 

If you chose to go elsewhere that is your choice and it will be respected. As for disabling ratings that is a one time option at the time you created a file page and cannot be changed by anyone....the only way to is to create a new file page, reupload the file and delete the old one.

 

Hope this explains things some.

 

Buddah

[crashpilot]

With respects, I think you need to remember that not everyone is going to like your decisions, and that compromise does sometimes work.

 

I agree that compromise works most of the time but for some people compromise means having it their way.

[Dark0ne]

if each rating was unique to a memeber (which they wern't) that would only be 0.134489% of the current community having cast a rating

 

Therefore, the percentage comes out to 13.4489%

 

My gestimation was far closer than your first attempt! ;)

[Offkorn]

It seems as if people are taking this far, far, too seriously. Why does it matter if you get bad feedback? Why does it matter whether or not someone downloads your free Mod for someone else's game?

 

Are you getting royalties each time someone downloads your Mod and/or a commission for each good rating/endorsement? Because I'm most certainly not. If you're not either, there is absolutely no reason for you to care what others think or say about something you publicly released on a site you don't own.

 

If you only want to hear from people who like your Mod, host it yourself and IP-Ban anyone who doesn't have something positive to say.

Edited July 14, 2009 by Offkorn