The Plan For World Peace?

[HeyYou]

6 hours ago, showler said:

Include the four times as many people killed with guns every year in Oklahoma in that conversation.

Just out of idle curiosity, where are you from?

[MatSpikeYinsen]

On 10/6/2024 at 6:17 PM, RedHeadAngel said:

Modern humans have existed for at least 160,000 years.

Modern *technology* has NOT existed, ever before in at least 160,000 years.  World peace is possible through the intelligent application of these technologies, even if the invention of them had been powered almost entirely by non-intelligent and non-peaceful motives.

[RedHeadAngel]

24 minutes ago, MatSpikeYinsen said:

Modern *technology* has NOT existed, ever before in at least 160,000 years.  World peace is possible through the intelligent application of these technologies, even if the invention of them had been powered almost entirely by non-intelligent and non-peaceful motives.

Technology may have changed, but those who invented it have not.

[HeyYou]

8 minutes ago, RedHeadAngel said:

Technology may have changed, but those who invented it have not.

DING DING DING!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNAH!!!!

 

So long as humans are around, there will not be peace.

[Fkemman11]

Disarm and pacify everyone. Have you not been paying attention?

[HeyYou]

6 hours ago, Fkemman11 said:

Disarm and pacify everyone. Have you not been paying attention?

Disarm??? Good luck with that here in the US...... The 'armed' population outnumbers the military.

[AlienSlof]

'Trap, neuter and return' is what's needed!

[gabrielrock19]

Well, I just want to get this out. NATO doesn't represent "we" or "us" and certainly not me. Everyone who studied a little geography and history knows the main cause for wars is fighting for natural resources in a certain territory. Ideology, diplomacy and "our protection from the axis of evil" are always secondary to strategic and economic goals.

And instead of going for a peace deal and facing the cold reality that Russia will win the war/that there's no way to defeat them, they keep sending money that could be used for our healthcare, education, wage increases and every sort of social benefit. The US and Europe are insane if they think they can impose a defeat on another nuclear power.

Now they've just authorized strikes deep into Russia's territory which means more war, more deaths, more poverty and so on and so forth. It's over. I don't want to send my money to the government in the form of taxes so they can perpetuate this lunacy that could start a nuclear World War III. They need to sit at the table with Russia and negotiate.

Our lives are already like hell. Prices are soaring up, people are extremely divided over everything, fighting each other like animals (be it for gender, social or political issues), wages go down and you are forced to live a depressing life on pills. This is 21st century reality. If this war is stopped (also Gaza) I don't care what side takes advantage of the deal. I don't give a flying f... if the "US" or "we" win, or if Russia "wins". Can I get a job? Can I buy my house in my 20s and live my life? Can I date again? Can pay the hospital if I get sick and need treatment? Can I have quality of life and fun instead of this depressing and unchanging gray? These are the questions that really matter and our society is COLLAPSING because there is no answer to them.

[HeyYou]

10 minutes ago, gabrielrock19 said:

Well, I just want to get this out. NATO doesn't represent "we" or "us" and certainly not me. Everyone who studied a little geography and history knows the main cause for wars is fighting for natural resources in a certain territory. Ideology, diplomacy and "our protection from the axis of evil" are always secondary to strategic and economic goals.

And instead of going for a peace deal and facing the cold reality that Russia will win the war/that there's no way to defeat them, they keep sending money that could be used for our healthcare, education, wage increases and every sort of social benefit. The US and Europe are insane if they think they can impose a defeat on another nuclear power.

Now they've just authorized strikes deep into Russia's territory which means more war, more deaths, more poverty and so on and so forth. It's over. I don't want to send my money to the government in the form of taxes so they can perpetuate this lunacy that could start a nuclear World War III. They need to sit at the table with Russia and negotiate.

Our lives are already like hell. Prices are soaring up, people are extremely divided over everything, fighting each other like animals (be it for gender, social or political issues), wages go down and you are forced to live a depressing life on pills. This is 21st century reality. If this war is stopped (also Gaza) I don't care what side takes advantage of the deal. I don't give a flying f... if the "US" or "we" win, or if Russia "wins". Can I get a job? Can I buy my house in my 20s and live my life? Can I date again? Can pay the hospital if I get sick and need treatment? Can I have quality of life and fun instead of this depressing and unchanging gray? These are the questions that really matter and our society is COLLAPSING because there is no answer to them.

Maybe Russia should have just stayed out of Ukraine? Or, maybe they should now pull out, and stay out of other peoples countries? Russia started the war. How it ends? No one knows that as yet.

[gabrielrock19]

26 minutes ago, HeyYou said:

Maybe Russia should have just stayed out of Ukraine? Or, maybe they should now pull out, and stay out of other peoples countries? Russia started the war. How it ends? No one knows that as yet.

Well, "we" also did that in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan and many more countries on our huge war scorecard. It's no secret the government wanted the oil stashed in the Middle East like a gold prize; the economic elite craved for it, and not a single dime actually went into our hands ("we, the people", as Abraham Lincoln would have wanted). At most the stolen oil served to keep the broken economy afloat and delay a massive crisis.

Russia invaded Ukraine for two key reasons: the first was strategic, to block NATO from expanding east and getting ever closer to their borders with advanced military equipment, including nuclear military equipment. The second one, economic. Ukraine is a natural resource diamond mine; they literally sit on trillions of dollars worth of minerals, ores, rare metals and other riches. Also, eastern ukraine was far more industrialized than the rest thanks to an old partneship between the Soviet Union and the Ukrainian State at the time. It only makes sense the area closest to the central power would become the most developed due to its proximity to important roads and etcetera. Russia wanted to secure and control this tiny industrial area again for military and economic purposes. That's also the reason why it moved to annex Crimea following a regime change in 2014; Crimea is extremely important for the deployment of the Russian navy in the black sea should the need arise.

They started the war, and weather you believe they had justification for it or not they're in a position of strength no one should defy so boldly. Unfortunately a crisis between superpowers that could lead to an irreversible WWIII trigger is the top priority to avoid. The US and Russia accumulated large stockpiles of nuclear warheads during the cold war and later prohibited every other country in the planet to do the same. These countries, China included, are in a special position of power that needs to be accounted for. They (including "us") impose their strength on other countries, that's how it works.

In order to avoid an all out hell-like war, regardless of who is mostly right or wrong, a reasonable settlement between nations must be reached. And finally, I strongly think we should focus only on ourselves. It's time to be a little 'selfish' and stop worrying about others. Isn't that what psychologists usually say?

PS: The US isn't seeing it clearly. Should it focus on its development, socially and economically, it would naturally rise to a better position of strength on any subject matter. But the top 1% refuse to share their wealth. It's simply unthinkable to them, it's beyond anathema. And as a result of these desperate measures of our failing society to impose a strategic defeat on a nuclear power, it has not only deflected them but risen above them completely. Russian economy didn't shatter in pieces as expected - the Chinese "saved" them from the international financial system and their HDI went up. There's no question their military is way more advanced than ours by now. They have hypersonic missiles and every sort of new deadly technological weapon. Have you seen the Oreshnik video, by the way?

Edited Sunday at 02:18 AM by gabrielrock19