showler Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Honestly, I don't even think most people are even on the same starting point. How many people in this thread have simply posted some variation of "go back to the old UI", despite Nexus Mods making it clear that that is not an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladier1 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 For what it is worth in the current topics for feedback I don't recall seeing the UI beta banner or a survey before but, for me personally was recently in one of those spells of actually playing Skyrim versus modding Skyrim. This could have been when the beta was actively promoted on the site. In which case wouldn't be looking at the site for some time purposefully to avoid temptation to mod more during a playthrough. Depending on how the message for the beta was presented could also easily see myself dismissing the UI beta out of hand as current UI was meeting my needs and not thinking on it any further without understanding the full context. This would especially be true if it presented as an annoying banner pop-up that could be closed or otherwise dismissed from sight. Just recently started looking at the site again because Monster Hunter WIlds release and yay a new UI. Attempted to adapt to using the new site for a bit. Started getting headaches from the color scheme and forced to look at the site in short bursts. Becoming motivated I then looked up information on the skyrimmods reddit leading me to the CSS edits and Stylus and learned how to apply those to a website. Saw the latest news release on the Nexus page and thought I would respond with my feedback on these changes resulting in my participation in the forums suddenly instead of lurking quietly. In general suspect some users may have a bit of a jarring welcome back depending on their modding versus playing habits. Not sure what exactly the developer team is supposed to do though as an attempt to communicate the changes was made. I did see and make note of the preferences settings to default the search to mods and updated accordingly in my preferences which is a positive step in the direction of doing what search used to do for me. The preferences settings for default search view does not change anything at present, I liked list view. Search as a popup window covers much of the current page that sometimes I am also wanting to look at simultaneously. Which also brings up missing the ability to interact with the current page when searching due to the aforementioned popup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1417 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 On 4/2/2025 at 10:19 PM, showler said: Honestly, I don't even think most people are even on the same starting point. How many people in this thread have simply posted some variation of "go back to the old UI", despite Nexus Mods making it clear that that is not an option? Expand The *only* way it wouldn't be an option is if they've entirely scrapped the old site and have no frame of reference or access to the old assets but no proper web dev team would ever do that so the problem is that it is an option and remains to be an option but they *choose* to refuse to act upon it. Add to that, Nexus staff *chose* to make an entirely new layout that is objectively inferior to the previous one. It shows less while at the same time wasting a lot of screen real estate, it adds more to scroll through, it's not as accessible, not all features of the old site have been restored. There's enough posts on here with screenshots and all detailing how from a UI/UX aspect the new site is worse. You don't go live with a new site that's less functional and less accessible than the old one. That's Web Dev 101. So there is not one part of this rollout that anyone can point to and legitimately claim it to have been done with any reasonable degree of competence. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1417 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 On 4/2/2025 at 10:52 AM, JustThatKing said: It was tested against multiple different ad-blockers and was not blocked by them. It appeared on every changed page unless you chose to dismiss it. If you have set your own custom rules in regards to blocking elements of webpages, I'm afraid that we really can't do anything about that. Expand Well the overwhelmingly negative reaction to the changes indicates that clearly it was somehow missed by the vast majority of site visitors or overlooked. So a bit of a fumble there I'm afraid. Anyways, now that you're responding to me. Do you mind answering these questions so we as users of this site can actually better understand the process behind this change? 1. Why make a major overhaul to a site without keeping a functioning backup of the original? (If this isn't the case then Nexus staff are lying/misleading users about why restoring the old site or at least old look isn't possible.) 2. Why push ahead with a major overhaul if the team working on it were not able to ensure that accessibility and features would at the very least be relatively on par with the previous site when going live? To add, how is the site now WCAG compliant yet seeing previously unreported accessibility issues that didn't occur with the old site? 3. Some staff have mentioned "other looks" that might be available down the track while also saying the old look will never return. Please explain why there would be time and resources put towards making whole new looks for the site but no effort to recreate the one that users actually want? 4. Since the feedback has been overwhelmingly negative indicating that most Nexus users were for one reason or another unaware of the impending changes, including heavy/powers users and those with accessibility requirements, will Nexus commit to far more transparent and better advertised polling on here, Reddit and other social media channels to see if this new site is favoured by users or not or has Nexus made the decision that all user feedback regardless of how objective is ultimately irrelevant and will be ignored if it isn't in favour of these changes? Tagging the others in case one of them is better suited to answer the questions if you're not. @mfPixel @Iluviel @Pickysaurus @CaptainSandyPants @Demorphic @Happybara 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NexBeth Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 I participated in the Beta a good deal and never saw a poll anywhere. Even so, not sure bemoaning the potholes in visibility of the polls has relevance going forward. The Beta is supposedly closed, yet Nexus says it is still working on the site and taking in suggestions. Throwing out constructive criticisms and ideas to me seem a better course of action then filling up page after page of bemoaned complaints. Complaints are not going to have a productive impact on improving the site (THAT IS HERE TO STAY like it or not). There has been a good amt of good feedback already. All and all, lucky Nexus is still working on the website and taking our feedback. Take advantage of that because they could really just do whatever they wish with their website, with or without user input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isguros Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/2/2025 at 11:27 PM, NexBeth said: I participated in the Beta a good deal and never saw a poll anywhere. Even so, not sure bemoaning the potholes in visibility of the polls has relevance going forward. The Beta is supposedly closed, yet Nexus says it is still working on the site and taking in suggestions. Throwing out constructive criticisms and ideas to me seem a better course of action then filling up page after page of bemoaned complaints. Complaints are not going to have a productive impact on improving the site (THAT IS HERE TO STAY like it or not). There has been a good amt of good feedback already. All and all, lucky Nexus is still working on the website and taking our feedback. Take advantage of that because they could really just do whatever they wish with their website, with or without user input. Expand The first polls were held here in this topic on the forums. Even though they initially boasted about the number of participants, they recently changed course stating "Quite a small percentage of our overall userbase interacts with the forums.", so make of it what you will. Despite what most people have come here to do (some more detailed than others), this topic never was meant for feedback. At first you were urged to use the now infamous surveys to give your feedback in, as they were doubtful about it being seen here on the forums or the Discord server. Later on, long after the surveys closed, we were told to use the Fider Board thingamajic to leave our feedback at, but after they closed it, because it was too bothersome to go through and delete our feedback, they made the Suggestion Board the new designated feedback location. This right here is the Mod Browsing Overhaul Discussion topic. And even though it's often used by people to make their opinions public, that in itself still contributes to the discussion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpesangrea Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/2/2025 at 9:09 PM, Qrsr said: I dont think so. How many people are posting in this thread of ALL the people with an active account? The feedback is so small and most of the feedback sounds like a bot is constantly posting depressive "the site is not good" text. So there is next to no real "constructive" feedback. Which technically is feedback you should take a closer look on. People need to compress there ideas into text, and it takes time. Time is rare. Its easier to play, rather than to mod. Think about wiki sites, only a handful of people posting their content to a wiki or maintain it, yet the majority of users uses the content, is constantly reading. But without the people giving something to read ... there would not be any wiki. Now if all people would post and even if its just a typo correction. What an impact would this be? Same here, nexumods could progress much fast if people would really care. Motivation and momentum is even less these days. Why? I have no answer. Take the blue pill take the red pill but do you really need to take the pill at all? What about the green pill... Expand Forgive me if I'm off-base here, but this reads like a pretty reductive outlook on the situation from someone as intelligent and capable as yourself. I'm a huge fan of your content. Nothing about this entire situation has been handled properly on their end. There has been plenty of constructive feedback both during the beta and post-launch that has been summarily ignored, making it feel as if the Nexus crew are sticking their heads in the sand while trudging forward. This doesn't even take into account the disingenuous nature of most of their communications on the subject. Eloquence should not be a pre-requisite for feedback to be taken seriously. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper864 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/2/2025 at 9:09 PM, Qrsr said: I dont think so. How many people are posting in this thread of ALL the people with an active account? The feedback is so small and most of the feedback sounds like a bot is constantly posting depressive "the site is not good" text. So there is next to no real "constructive" feedback. Which technically is feedback you should take a closer look on. People need to compress there ideas into text, and it takes time. Time is rare. Its easier to play, rather than to mod. Think about wiki sites, only a handful of people posting their content to a wiki or maintain it, yet the majority of users uses the content, is constantly reading. But without the people giving something to read ... there would not be any wiki. Now if all people would post and even if its just a typo correction. What an impact would this be? Same here, nexumods could progress much fast if people would really care. Motivation and momentum is even less these days. Why? I have no answer. Take the blue pill take the red pill but do you really need to take the pill at all? What about the green pill... Expand No i think so, I didn't even realize a forum existed like this until I had to go to reddit and a link was attached when the new ui was bothersome. I never used it(the forums) until the update happened. What I'm saying is I had to go to an outside source first when most people would find that a hassle 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qrsr Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/2/2025 at 9:47 PM, HollownessDevoured said: If we are to going to compare content creators/editors of wikis vs. nexus content creators/modders—wiki editing communities only have to come to an agreement/consensus/vote amongst those willing to participate and it's editors. Expand Wikis are toxic and it does not work either. You can simply skip on "we do what all want do". Democrazy is no different than tyranny it some point either. Wikis also expect all content to be without rate and to assume good will an sense and stuff. all good with that but it opens room for weird things. Its about logic nothing else. You want data to show for modders in a good way ask how, ask for alternatives then, compare, rethink, inject or something. But you need people to trust. On 4/2/2025 at 9:47 PM, HollownessDevoured said: If it takes someone to be unhappy with something to go from non-participating to participating, that is simply on them to speak up or indifference can/would be considered consent/approval. Expand Thats true or you need just to create motivation by respect or psychic trauma (provocation by visual harm) like the UI is making some people upset which i can understand OR at least you have to trigger people. And the UI change is a HUGE trigger its obvious and present for everyone using the site who can make a comparison if using the site was true before the change. But as you can see even this extrem action forced only a small amount to talk about it... now is the majority pleased about the UI change? If you measure pleased by the amount of feedback per discussion (here) then yes... a few hundered pages, with maybe close but less than 100 dicussing the changes. How much of that 100 are really against it? Well probably a bit more of 100 but less than 1000. The total amount of users per nexusmods is probably muuuuuuch more ... and only less than 1000 are discussing the changes. Why? One person can make all difference already, no question - but its really interesting comparing just the feedback here. All of this from my point of view can be skipped too, statistics are horrible, there are people complaing, why do people complain. How to fix? Are the complains realistic and or repetetive? Is it worthy or is it possible in a realistic approach, time span. On 4/2/2025 at 10:19 PM, showler said: Honestly, I don't even think most people are even on the same starting point. How many people in this thread have simply posted some variation of "go back to the old UI", despite Nexus Mods making it clear that that is not an option? Expand I think that looking back is a waste of time. I wouldn't be impressed if the current layout persits without much option especially no option to revert. I wouldn't be upset if true either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollownessDevoured Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/3/2025 at 2:36 AM, Qrsr said: Wikis are toxic and it does not work either. You can simply skip on "we do what all want do". Democrazy is no different than tyranny it some point either. Wikis also expect all content to be without rate and to assume good will an sense and stuff. all good with that but it opens room for weird things. Its about logic nothing else. You want data to show for modders in a good way ask how, ask for alternatives then, compare, rethink, inject or something. But you need people to trust. Expand Not all wikis, but yes they very much can be. I just mean that in essence that is what wikis are supposed to be like. As I mentioned "In an ideal world consensus would be great"... on paper that always looks better but practice is a whole other thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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