Power Armor... not so powerful

[oldspice2625]

I have a fully upgraded T45 armor at the moment, at level 20 (Model F), and two slaps from the upgraded Glowing Ones (I think that they are called Hulking Glowing Ones) busted my arm piece, with the fight over, I had the legs and arms busted, only the chest piece remained. Dead serious.

 

I like the core drain idea, since I have like 50 cores right now from using scrounger and getting lucky finding 4 fusion cores a couple of times in boxes, and hoarding the generator ones.

 

I feel like either the player shouldn't take damage until the pieces begin to break, or, the core is drained fast since it is strained from combat.

 

And the example of power armor being everywhere at the purifier was because you were fighting the ENCLAVE STRONGHOLD of the LAST MISSION OF THE GAME (before broken steel DLC, so it was designed to be the end of the game anyways). Of course they'd throw the best guys with the best guns at you for it. It was to show of how stupid OP Liberty Prime was as a cool thing in game.

 

and if memory recalls, you don't get to use the power armor that you find in the dead paladin when you find Sarah Lyons right off the bat. You have the get the training first, and, it's beat up to all hell anyways. I might be wrong though, but I am certain that you need the training, because you can rush Operation Anchorage and get the training from doing the DLC and have training early on and a badass set of T51b.

 

in Fallout NV, you don't get power armor until very late in the Brotherhood Questline that you need some very high skill checks to do (and get the best outcomes), or, you have to wait to build up Arcade's trust to do his quest, For Auld Lyne Sang to get the training. In the first two games, you can't get power armor until much later in the games. This is the only fallout game where you can access AND USE the armor very early in the game.

 

I get that the guy could know how to use power armor, but how do we know that he was an elite unit and not a grunt that only dreamed that he could use power armor? Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. His wife for sure didn't from what we know for sure. We know that the Brotherhood is equal opportunity with gender/combat, but what about pre war? I mean, it was based off of 1950's culture, so surely women wouldn't be in combat, and surely they wouldn't be giving away millions of dollars in armor for women to use?

 

We know that women can fight in the games, but what did their society think about it? From what it seems, the wife was a housewife for a while until she needed to go back to work, so I don't think that she'd have the training.

 

You guys must have the supped up T60 full upgraded or the X01 for it to not be total ballz or something.

[jcdenton2012]

I have 4 suits of fully upgraded X-01 in black and red flames. Level 67 (legit), with like 83 power cores (lolz). And the power cores I keep accumulating at a steady rate despite having a Gatling Laser in my arsenal. Typically, I keep the following in my traveling inventory: Assault Plasma Rifle, .308 ported rifle (that gun meltz haha), Gatling Laser, Scoped Combat Shotgun (ridiculous range, like 150+), A Heavily Modified Laser Rifle (Righteous Authority but better), and a Quad-Rocket Launcher (bladed because why not).

 

Also... no VATs. This is the first game that I've played full FPS mode. I'm also nearly ranked up high enough to use "Pain Train" as a viable way of murdering Ghouls.

Choo-Choo Mother-F#$ker Choo-Choo :dance:

(Yes, I chose that emoticon because it looked like it was running) :laugh:

[Ekscalybur]

 

Man I'm not sure we're playing the same game? I play on the hardest difficulty and it's a very rare thing for me to see one of my armor pieces go into the red. I do keep my armor repaired whenever I hit a town or settlement, but otherwise the armor is pretty much the most OP thing in the entire came. When I get out of the armor I feel like a crab out of his shell.

 

As for being common...have you played FO3? Maybe you don't get it as soon since you need training to be able to use it (I do agree with you there, it's silly to just climb up on a roof and find some armor and start kicking ass with it), but once the Enclave show up you're surrounded by the best power armor in the game. Once you go off to clear out the water purifier thing, there's so much power armor to loot you won't be able to carry it all. It may be silly for enemies to be wearing it, but aside from the Enclave there were no enemies that had it in previous games so you ran around like a God.

 

I do agree that it would be more realistic if small guns didn't effect it, considering I can jump off the biggest skyscraper in the game and land on my feet without a scratch, it seems contradictory that a .32 caliber bullet from a pipe gun could do any damage at all, but then if they did that the entire leveling system for enemies would have to change once you get the armor, and then you'd suddenly have every raider in the wasteland carrying a minigun or rocket launcher.

 

What they SHOULD have done is make fusion cores far more rare and drain far faster, that way you just can't run around in them indefinitely. Maybe work in a system so that small guns actually don't do any damage to you, but maybe taking all that gunfire added further drain to the fusion core. Make it so that in mid battle you may be forced to exit your armor because you're out of juice and don't have anymore cores.

 

If you really wanna try to make sense of it, at least if you play as the male character, he is after all a retired military veteran. There's at least a chance he has seen or has some experience with power armor. The girl though, she's a law school graduate so that makes no sense at all. At least in previous games everyone started off not knowing how to handle a gun, and you had to level up small guns to be able to handle a .10mm, but she comes out of the vault with no military experience at all blasting away with any gun she can get her hands on.

 

There are some people looking at ideas for how the woman in the game can handle a gun so well. The best explanation I've heard is she also had some military experiences and used the funds from that to go to law school.

 

Which would make sense and might give an idea how the two met originally, but it might not be enough to say both had power Armour training. I look forward to any mod that will make this more believable.

 

 

Anchorage happened. Foreign soldiers occupied an actual state of the United States of America. I don't doubt for a second that women of the United States didn't also see the effects of forced conscription that males members have seen forever. In other words, while their might be two slightly different stories for the protagonist prior to the events of the game, the simple state of the universe prior to the big freeze might mean that a male and female might see pretty much the same thing. The difference being one went full time soldier, an one fulfilled their obligation and then went to law school.

[SilentKilla78]

Definitely a flaw in the DR system. No idea why Bethesda didn't stick with New Vegas' DT system.. too proud I guess? Just like all the other improvements they ignored.

[Talwyn224]

Power armour should be virtually immune to small arms fire and pretty dam robust versus energy weapons and high explosives. I'm really not that thrilled with the rate in which it can be destroyed and I find destroyed sections suddenly appearing in my inventory pretty silly and immersion breaking. I don't mind it suffering cumulative damage and eventually becoming inoperable but they way the system is atm really needs a rethink.

[Warmaker01]

The notion of Power Armor being weak in FO4 is interesting. Because if you keep it in good condition and have the Fusion Cores, you have little to worry about outside of a Death Claw or heavy weapons getting you (Missile Launchers, Fat Man, etc). This is especially true if you can upgrade your PA with higher marks and different mods. If anything, there have been many players complaining that the very quick availability of Power Armor trivialized a good part of the danger a player should be facing early in the game.

[Boombro]

 

If anything, there have been many players complaining that the very quick availability of Power Armor trivialized a good part of the danger a player should be facing early in the game.

I understand. But you can just not pick up power armor till some point in the game?

And power armor can be found a lot more in older titles in dead bodies later in game. In fact, it true to say it less this time around.

 

Okay kids, rant time:

For real people, dark souls players do all kind of crazy things like no healing items, no bonfire (it used to repair gear, instant healing, changing your spells and fast travel) no armor, no weapon, no level up, no death etc and the game is already hard you kiss them if you saw them, the Reddit, YouTube and forums are crazy with stuff like this, Then I go to TES, FO subreddits and forums and it embarrassing how people need mods or beth to change it style in the next game to make the games "hardcore" for them, hardly willing to change the way they play themselves.

 

Why a game has to make itself hard for you instead of limiting/controlling/challenging yourself like those dark souls guys? Hardcore loving players scream if a beth game placed healing items and cash near them as optional loot like as if it forced into the player pouches. That so odd it mind blowing. It even limited to beth players.

 

"The game has to be realistic and hardcore!"

Why?

"It not realistic and hardcore!"

 

I mean come on, even Pokemon players do that. Heck, my little cousin does this with freaking Mario by not picking powerups. The dude is only nine years old.

 

To many cores? Only buy them or carry a limited number. Do you really have to pick up every core you find and keep it on you? Or better, play as a weak person who has to use power armor all the time to fight any battle, walk long distances and face large waters.

To many power armors? Don't fix them or only limit yourself to one.

To many heals? Only heal via doctors or followers and/or carry only five at a time.

To much loot? Don't loot every dead thing you find.

To much junk to carry and to much cash to spend? Buy junk.

Think power armor is early? Use them after some quests, challenges, finding ones in hard places as RP restrictions. The coolest one I have heard of is someone using the X-1 PA found in the glowing sea, he played as if his suit was ripped apart by a deathclaw he faced a bit before. He didn't use PA before because his male PC didn't want to relive his war days and used it as character development for his RP run and just let go of his past and dead wife.

In short:

Play dark souls.

Edited December 27, 2015 by Boombro

[TheOriginalEvilD]

 

 

Man I'm not sure we're playing the same game? I play on the hardest difficulty and it's a very rare thing for me to see one of my armor pieces go into the red. I do keep my armor repaired whenever I hit a town or settlement, but otherwise the armor is pretty much the most OP thing in the entire came. When I get out of the armor I feel like a crab out of his shell.

 

As for being common...have you played FO3? Maybe you don't get it as soon since you need training to be able to use it (I do agree with you there, it's silly to just climb up on a roof and find some armor and start kicking ass with it), but once the Enclave show up you're surrounded by the best power armor in the game. Once you go off to clear out the water purifier thing, there's so much power armor to loot you won't be able to carry it all. It may be silly for enemies to be wearing it, but aside from the Enclave there were no enemies that had it in previous games so you ran around like a God.

 

I do agree that it would be more realistic if small guns didn't effect it, considering I can jump off the biggest skyscraper in the game and land on my feet without a scratch, it seems contradictory that a .32 caliber bullet from a pipe gun could do any damage at all, but then if they did that the entire leveling system for enemies would have to change once you get the armor, and then you'd suddenly have every raider in the wasteland carrying a minigun or rocket launcher.

 

What they SHOULD have done is make fusion cores far more rare and drain far faster, that way you just can't run around in them indefinitely. Maybe work in a system so that small guns actually don't do any damage to you, but maybe taking all that gunfire added further drain to the fusion core. Make it so that in mid battle you may be forced to exit your armor because you're out of juice and don't have anymore cores.

 

If you really wanna try to make sense of it, at least if you play as the male character, he is after all a retired military veteran. There's at least a chance he has seen or has some experience with power armor. The girl though, she's a law school graduate so that makes no sense at all. At least in previous games everyone started off not knowing how to handle a gun, and you had to level up small guns to be able to handle a .10mm, but she comes out of the vault with no military experience at all blasting away with any gun she can get her hands on.

 

There are some people looking at ideas for how the woman in the game can handle a gun so well. The best explanation I've heard is she also had some military experiences and used the funds from that to go to law school.

 

Which would make sense and might give an idea how the two met originally, but it might not be enough to say both had power Armour training. I look forward to any mod that will make this more believable.

 

 

Anchorage happened. Foreign soldiers occupied an actual state of the United States of America. I don't doubt for a second that women of the United States didn't also see the effects of forced conscription that males members have seen forever. In other words, while their might be two slightly different stories for the protagonist prior to the events of the game, the simple state of the universe prior to the big freeze might mean that a male and female might see pretty much the same thing. The difference being one went full time soldier, an one fulfilled their obligation and then went to law school.

 

I didn't mean to sound like I was looking at this from a sexist viewpoint. I'm just saying nowhere does it state that she has any military background whatsoever. Obviously women are/were in active duty and used power armor, as there have been plenty of chicks in power armor in previous games.

[Aintiarna]

 

I didn't mean to sound like I was looking at this from a sexist viewpoint. I'm just saying nowhere does it state that she has any military background whatsoever. Obviously women are/were in active duty and used power armor, as there have been plenty of chicks in power armor in previous games.

 

 

I don't remember seeing fowls in power armour in previous games, although that would be a hilarious mod. Geese in t45. Turkeys in t60. It could work. :tongue:

 

Anyway, it needs modding. I don't understand why they didn't just give the female protagonist the same background as the male one. It would have made their dialogue writing more coherent, easier and believable for starters. Make them both ex-soldiers who had gone a bit soft as civilians. That way you could RP them in whatever direction you wanted.

Edited December 27, 2015 by tirnoney

[Boombro]

 

Anyway, it needs modding. I don't understand why they didn't just give the female protagonist the same background as the male one. It would have made their dialogue writing more coherent, easier and believable for starters. Make them both ex-soldiers who had gone a bit soft as civilians.

Who said they don't?

 

For all we know she may have been a army lawyer and get some training, a cop that applied for a law degree or quite the army. Maybe she was in the army and thrown her uniform away because she doesn't anything to do with it.

 

What RPers often neglect is a proper character development, they make everything related to the character via back story and don't change the PC through the game, hardly expanding from any hint. While that hardly a problem for some, it really limits one gameplay and views.

 

He is this, because I saw that and the ship he came from hails from blah.

 

Even if they became soft, the shock from seeing dead people, your loved ones taken and shot, big bugs and the world in ruins is enough of character development to be anyone from a wuss that doesn't want to fight to a harden fighters that always seeks a good death.

Edited December 27, 2015 by Boombro