NEXUS OR SEXUS? THIS IS THE PROBLEM

[NexBeth]

Lisnpuppy, you are thinking of an ideal world, which we don't live in. As to this kind of topic, it is pretty controversial so you are going to get people who try to bang heads, cloud the discussion with their own moral perspectives and, overpower opposing views.

 

The best scenario is hopefully to allow people a voice even if the final outcome is not what is hoped for. While they may not win the argument, at least they are allowed a voice. This site has an owner, and that owner had final say just like any business.

[Lisnpuppy]

Lisnpuppy, you are thinking of an ideal world, which we don't live in. As to this kind of topic, it is pretty controversial so you are going to get people who try to bang heads, cloud the discussion with their own moral perspectives and, overpower opposing views.

 

The best scenario is hopefully to allow people a voice even if the final outcome is not what is hoped for. While they may not win the argument, at least they are allowed a voice. This site has an owner, and that owner had final say just like any business.

 

Yes in a way I am, but I worked in the trenches in this place long enough to know how very much we do not live in the ideal. As such I am not looking at this through rose colored glasses However my desire to wish..no EXPECT more from people here, to in my own way try to work toward that "more" is something I have done almost since I have gotten here. It is why I have been here for over eight years now in one capacity or another. Just because something is always so, doesn't mean it has to be.

 

Regardless as Robin has alluded I have made my point many, may times. Those that will listen, have done so.

[budrick007]

Would someone please explain how a discussion that should be about censorship got sidetracked into a discussion of political labels and names? Talk about taking a tangent. Can we get back to Farvat's post and the censorship he seems to be espousing?

 

Freedom of thought says that Farvat is entitled to his opinion. Freedom of thought says that Farvat is NOT entitled to dictate to others how they should view the MOD in question.

 

Freedom of speech says that Farvat is free to express his distaste of the MOD in question. Freedom of speech says that Farvat is NOT entitled to limit the free expression of others.

 

Freedom of ideas says that Farvat is free to question the content of the MOD and the behaviors it portrays. Freedom of ideas says that Farvat is NOT allowed to suppress the ideas of others.

 

Freedom of choice says that Farvat is free to exclude the MOD from any list or display he sees. Freedom of choice says that Farvat is NOT allowed to limit what others choose to see.

 

Freedom of action says that Farvat is free to publicly complain about this MOD in question. Freedom of action does not entitle Farvat to dictate the actions of other individuals or groups.

 

Now, Nexus has its rules. These rules are there to allow for the greatest freedom with the least censorship. I appreciate that. I like the ability to see all kinds of ideas and implementations. The diversity is what makes Nexus such a great place for finding MODs and ideas that are new and exciting.

 

Now, for a personal insight. I hate the ideas of rape and female subjugation. They are abhorrent to me. They are relics of the dark ages, an era when might made right. That said, do you see the symbol in my avatar. I fought for the right to allow this MOD to be created, and I believe in the freedoms that allow it to exist. That puts me at one end of a spectrum. Farvat and his attempt at censorship are at the other end of that spectrum.

 

Edited because I can't type for ... you know.

Edited February 29, 2016 by budrick007

[NexBeth]

budrick, no one is claiming that the mod author does not have the right to create the mod. S/He does. The choice is does Nexus want to host the mod? Nexus owner does want to host the mod so it and other mods like it will remain on the Nexus.

 

In terms of the guidelines of the videogame and movie industry, I am certainly no expert on this whatsoever, but I do feel that even though you can do it, doesn't necessarily equate to you should do it. Movie makers and even (to a lesser extend) game developer frequently choose not to mainstream content that demoralize women or hint at child predation. By and large, most mainstream movies/shows with adult sexual themes portray consensual sex situations, and are very careful what they do when they start portraying women as abused sex slaves. Granted, adult video games may be more liberal about what they will do. The modders, however, are free to create with little limitations as long as there is an audience and place to make their work available to the public. Its up to the sites hosting mods to decide what the limits (if any are) as long as they are within the min. legal boundaries.

[JimboUK]

budrick, no one is claiming that the mod author does not have the right to create the mod. S/He does. The choice is does Nexus want to host the mod? Nexus owner does want to host the mod so it and other mods like it will remain on the Nexus.

 

In terms of the guidelines of the videogame and movie industry, I am certainly no expert on this whatsoever, but I do feel that even though you can do it, doesn't necessarily equate to you should do it. Movie makers and even (to a lesser extend) game developer frequently choose not to mainstream content that demoralize women or hint at child predation. By and large, most mainstream movies/shows with adult sexual themes portray consensual sex situations, and are very careful what they do when they start portraying women as abused sex slaves. Granted, adult video games may be more liberal about what they will do. The modders, however, are free to create with little limitations as long as there is an audience and place to make their work available to the public. Its up to the sites hosting mods to decide what the limits (if any are) as long as they are within the min. legal boundaries.

 

A Clockwork Orange, The Evil Dead, Once Upon a Time in America, Straw Dogs, the list goes on, video games and even the mods here are tame in comparison to what Hollywood and others have put out. In fact there was one on TV last night, I have no idea what the movie was called but it was very unpleasant and the channel got changed.

[WursWaldo]

Would someone please explain how a discussion that should be about censorship got sidetracked into a discussion of political labels and names?

That's my fault. I pointed out an uncomfortable truth and the people who didn't like it attempted a diversion. All of this nonsense about 'labels' was the result.

[Farvat]

 

budrick, no one is claiming that the mod author does not have the right to create the mod. S/He does. The choice is does Nexus want to host the mod? Nexus owner does want to host the mod so it and other mods like it will remain on the Nexus.

 

In terms of the guidelines of the videogame and movie industry, I am certainly no expert on this whatsoever, but I do feel that even though you can do it, doesn't necessarily equate to you should do it. Movie makers and even (to a lesser extend) game developer frequently choose not to mainstream content that demoralize women or hint at child predation. By and large, most mainstream movies/shows with adult sexual themes portray consensual sex situations, and are very careful what they do when they start portraying women as abused sex slaves. Granted, adult video games may be more liberal about what they will do. The modders, however, are free to create with little limitations as long as there is an audience and place to make their work available to the public. Its up to the sites hosting mods to decide what the limits (if any are) as long as they are within the min. legal boundaries.

 

A Clockwork Orange, The Evil Dead, Once Upon a Time in America, Straw Dogs, the list goes on, video games and even the mods here are tame in comparison to what Hollywood and others have put out. In fact there was one on TV last night, I have no idea what the movie was called but it was very unpleasant and the channel got changed.

 

Mango follower in essence is the fact that it is a free implicit incitement to rape on a symbolic level. There is virtually no other aspect. It is a product of nature hentai of low semantic and narrative quality. personally the parallel with Cloackwork Orange is offending Stanley Kubrick, as well as all the movies that you mentioned. In none of them violence is an end in itself, put there just to excite deviances. the mod is a pornographic product of the worst sort, a materials come only for the purpose of pure commodification through the excitement of perverse instincts.

But to hear you all equals.

Mango follower is worse than all the films mentioned, first because it is pure perversion, second because it is as deep as a puddle.

[NexBeth]

 

A Clockwork Orange, The Evil Dead, Once Upon a Time in America, Straw Dogs, the list goes on, video games and even the mods here are tame in comparison to what Hollywood and others have put out. In fact there was one on TV last night, I have no idea what the movie was called but it was very unpleasant and the channel got changed.

 

Do any of those movies portray woman in a cavalier way as unwilling sex toys to be kidnapped, gang raped, physically scarred, and then paraded around naked? I know of movies that do this type of stuff but its usually the low-caliber "cult" movie that appeals to a very limited audience. If the woman in a video game was an African American and portrayed as such, I wonder what would be the result? I seriously doubt the majority of women on this site are ok with mods that portray women as such....but, like me, will respect the owner's decision to run his site as he sees best. Afterall, if something is intolerable enough, then there's always the door out.

[Farvat]

 

Lisnpuppy, you are thinking of an ideal world, which we don't live in. As to this kind of topic, it is pretty controversial so you are going to get people who try to bang heads, cloud the discussion with their own moral perspectives and, overpower opposing views.

 

The best scenario is hopefully to allow people a voice even if the final outcome is not what is hoped for. While they may not win the argument, at least they are allowed a voice. This site has an owner, and that owner had final say just like any business.

 

Yes in a way I am, but I worked in the trenches in this place long enough to know how very much we do not live in the ideal. As such I am not looking at this through rose colored glasses However my desire to wish..no EXPECT more from people here, to in my own way try to work toward that "more" is something I have done almost since I have gotten here. It is why I have been here for over eight years now in one capacity or another. Just because something is always so, doesn't mean it has to be.

 

Regardless as Robin has alluded I have made my point many, may times. Those that will listen, have done so.

 

The issue of nexus is very simple, its success. You have grown too quickly, but your management capacity, is become too limited.. It is not a fault, damn be proud of this, you have something to celebrate. The problem is that my post has openly out, all your operational limits. If after fourteen pages there are two entrenched factions and deployed with the guns aimed at each other it is evident that there is a problem. This post was to end within a few pages and disappear with the respective parties reconciled. Whereas now it is a thorn in the side, which you hope that you just can disappear. That was the right strategy to follow: the simplest and most obvious: you had to give up something. Dark0ne had to post a message, in which he admitted that the mod "mango" had the obvious problem of too injure a sensitive issue, but that the mod would not be withdrawn, but it would only have changed the text, where the references to the abuses sexual were removed. Mango was just held captive by bandits in a cave. End. Problem solved. Dark0ne intervening personally admitted the mistake, elevated to admin libertarian, but morally upright. Instead you have peg away on a position ethically too controversial. It is inadmissible for the image of Nexus that such a controversy arises around the fact that a hosted mod, whether or not an incitement to rape. Such a debate should not even never arise. If rises immediately goes unreported, even if it means taking a step back. Valve's when he realized that his attempt to sell the paid hack raised too many protests immediately made a step backward: "sorry we were joking." This was for her double damage, lost in the picture and made the nexus bulwark of the free modding.

Everything had to be done before the Mango disappeared from the top list, but now that mod is there to damage your image. Imagine if the mod reached the top spot. you end to have a mod that incited the rape there in the head and they all see. You are a bit crazy.

Your continued use of arguesof tags in this case does not work, and the proof is the fact that you have not convinced people like me who was irritated by the mod. You can not use a filter technical device, confuse plans, flatten the ethical level on the artificial removal of the object of the dispute. This is absurd. The amazing thing is continue to support this thesis, well supported by other users, who have obvious theoretical shortcomings. The fact is that the tag is naturally the key in your strategy to bring together content on the site of conflict between them. And why you insist so absolutely stubborn. But on the first try as early as this system does not work. Honestly I have never seen operate in this way. If I have to distribute a controversial product and extol its positive and negative aspects of the occult. The best way to convinvere contradictory content and to provide at different spaces within the site, yes it is expensive in terms of resources, but it is repeatedly tested and works well. The shrine of a newspaper is a working example and socialemente accepted. I've never seen anyone complain about the presence of pornography because it does not occupy almost never the front. This was the best solution, well wearable by a halo of freedom, but it sure is expensive.

I am sincerely very sorry that my question had irritated you, I was tactless, try to forgive me.

[bethjunkie]

Okay, Farvat, have you downloaded and tried this Mango follower mod? I had never heard of it until this thread so I went over and looked at it. What I see is a big eyed chick with some blood on her face and line in the description giving her a backstory.

 

1. We can make our characters scarred up, bloodies and bruised with big eyes in the vanilla versions of these games. Don't see how that could be considered controversial and banworthy. Maybe she looks a little young, but that doesn't mean much. At 25, I was often mistaken for being 16 and at 30, people often still asked me which high school I attended.

 

2. She seems to be using a vanilla voice so I don't see how there could be some long awful conversation with her about her past or worse, lines to denigrate and abuse her yourself.

 

So with that brief detective work it seems that it is up to the player to project horrible made up scenarios of abuse and whatever onto Mango in your own head, A little something called role-playing which people who want to do so are free to do with any modded or vanilla companion. I'm sure there are people out there for who Lydia is pulling a train every night. Ugh, I just made myself a little sick.

 

If players are defiling Lydia in such a way then certainly the flip side is that other players enjoy having Mango in their game as another pretty face to keep them company. These players have their own backstories for Mango where she was a lost adventurer, their adopted sister, high school sweetheart, nice chick who nursed them back to health when they got run over by a runaway carriage, whatever.

 

If a player wants to see Mango as a broken person solely there for their pleasure, for their abuse or the abuse of others, that is on the player. That is not on you, me, or Archie Bunker to tell them how they can play THEIR game they paid for on THEIR computer in THEIR home. If it's your kid or spouse doing it, then you have a say in it but you don't have the right to control what other people do in their single player game. It doesn't affect you. They don't have to answer to you. It's not illegal and Dark0ne as well as the moderators have said it's not banworthy. You don't get to decide what's banworthy, neither do I. If there are mods or images you feel are questionable or even illegal, report it and the moderators will take care of it. They're good like that. But this crusade, vendetta or whatever it is against this mod/mod author is no good for anyone. It's not helping any progress toward making a better filtering system or a better site.

 

P.S. I'm a 40 year old woman and this mod doesn't offend me, nor do most mods because I realize this is a game, these are pixels, it's not real. These games are rated M, they are for adults who know the difference between what's real and what's not. If they get into the hands of children, that is on the parents, not the Nexus or any other modding sites.