Beriallord Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Like the OP said, its negative press the game is going to get if they include it. They obviously included death voice overs for children, according to the video I saw, which is another thing they couldn't get away with doing and not get bad press for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Whether a fact is based on an irrational social construct or not, the fact is still a viable point in a rationally derived arguement. Just because capitalism makes no sense doesn't mean it doesn;t have to be factored into decisions. But i agree, the conservative and often repressive institutions which limit expression are becomming less and less problematig. I wouldn;t say they are cumbling, as complaints about 'offencive' material in television, movies and games has increased by several hundred % since the beginning of the Bush Administration, but the people who matter are starting to care less and less about what those strongholds say. That said, as things stand there is still too much potential headache associated with something like including nudity as standard. Maybe for TES VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarefootWarrior Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I think bottom line here is just some common sense. Yes, I'm gonna draw some flack here, but it's not the first time. I'm not against nudity myself. But in a 'business' sense, it would be a disaster for any game company to have full nudity incorporated in a game..of any genre. Folks, you can cite all the 'historical' references you want, this is a fantasy game, not historically based on 'our' world..meaning...anything goes. I for one, do not want to be restricted to the bonds of our world beliefs and schisms. It's why I enjoy these games. Show some 'skin' in a game..sure, I'm all for it. Minimal clothing items, that is acceptable. let the modders do the rest. When they do, I'll be one of them bounding out in the woods with the little animals in the buff being silly and having a great time. So what? It's fun! It's contrary to the real world, it is fantasy. To be frank as I can be. IF..and I say IF it nudity was acceptable (and I mean full nudity) world wide, then this wouldn't be a big issue. But here in the States, most folks are wound up real tight about the issue, sadly..I don't see that changing. I am so thankful I was raised as a country boy let me tell you. But it is an issue here in the States and I dare say, other countries / cultures as well. Now before anyone goes off and me, let me say this. I DO appreciate those who are totally dedicated to the 'lore' of the story, or should I say the 'era' that this story is represented in. I am not bashing those who cited the references mentioned above. I have done a lot of research on this topic for other projects and for the most part, the references cited are good. I got most of my information wrote down by Monks who lived in that era about the conditions of those ages, and it is fascinating reading. I just wanted to make that clear. But full nudity in any games would not be a good thing for the game producers, not yet anyway. Perhaps some day that will change, but I am not holding my breath on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michlo Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 If it is still OPTIONAL then yes although it probably isn't a good idea since, as pointed out, certain closed minded people would overlook all the violence to complain about a nipple or a willy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyMilla Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Whether a fact is based on an irrational social construct or not, the fact is still a viable point in a rationally derived arguement. Just because capitalism makes no sense doesn't mean it doesn;t have to be factored into decisions. But i agree, the conservative and often repressive institutions which limit expression are becomming less and less problematig. I wouldn;t say they are cumbling, as complaints about 'offencive' material in television, movies and games has increased by several hundred % since the beginning of the Bush Administration, but the people who matter are starting to care less and less about what those strongholds say. That said, as things stand there is still too much potential headache associated with something like including nudity as standard. Maybe for TES VI Strangely, I think, it is capitalism that will finally break down those remaining cultural taboos. Don't forget that the variety of products that you can sell to an open minded person is greater than the choice of products that can be sold to a person who, due to certain non-rational principles/beliefs, refuses to buy certain commodities. As the world is becoming a smaller place, companies will find it difficult to open up new markets, so new markets will be created by removing 'existing barriers'. Another factor is the so called desensitization. When your senses are bombarded by the influx of stimuli, they will be desensitized after a while, so the strength of the stimuli will have to increase to trigger a response. Today, nudity is a source of controversy, but as the population will become slowly desensitized, it will cease to be a 'taboo'. When Alien was first released, some people ran out of the theater, screaming. Today, it is a classic, and it is not even brutal by today's standards. I think 'nudity' in video games will go down the same route. But I think I'm going to leave it at that because I'm derailing the topic and this subject is better suited for the Debate forum. http://www.thenexusforums.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarefootWarrior Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Whether a fact is based on an irrational social construct or not, the fact is still a viable point in a rationally derived arguement. Just because capitalism makes no sense doesn't mean it doesn;t have to be factored into decisions. But i agree, the conservative and often repressive institutions which limit expression are becomming less and less problematig. I wouldn;t say they are cumbling, as complaints about 'offencive' material in television, movies and games has increased by several hundred % since the beginning of the Bush Administration, but the people who matter are starting to care less and less about what those strongholds say. That said, as things stand there is still too much potential headache associated with something like including nudity as standard. Maybe for TES VI Strangely, I think, it is capitalism that will finally break down those remaining cultural taboos. Don't forget that the variety of products that you can sell to an open minded person is greater than the choice of products that can be sold to a person who, due to certain non-rational principles/beliefs, refuses to buy certain commodities. As the world is becoming a smaller place, companies will find it difficult to open up new markets, so new markets will be created by removing 'existing barriers'. Another factor is the so called desensitization. When your senses are bombarded by the influx of stimuli, they will be desensitized after a while, so the strength of the stimuli will have to increase to trigger a response. Today, nudity is a source of controversy, but as the population will become slowly desensitized, it will cease to be a 'taboo'. When Alien was first released, some people ran out of the theater, screaming. Today, it is a classic, and it is not even brutal by today's standards. I think 'nudity' in video games will go down the same route. But I think I'm going to leave it at that because I'm derailing the topic and this subject is better suited for the Debate forum. http://www.thenexusforums.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/wink.gif Well said, and I admit that I had not thought of this issues in those terms. You could be right, after all it is all about money isn't it? and sex sells? Good comment, thanks. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboUK Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Leave it to modders, they'll do a better job of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abaris Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 As long as the game is moddable, there will be nudity. No need for them to implement it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pineapplerum Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Oooh, children. I forgot about them. Skyrim has children. Omg, could you see players being arrested for child pornography for playing the game? Can't have nudity in a game where there's kids. Naaa, too risky for Bethesda and players alike. Down right scary when you think of it. I once uploaded a picture on Twitter of my Oblivion character without her shirt on to show how the mod was defective because my character had nipples on her arms and on her ribcage as well as on her boobs. It wasn't a sexy picture either. She was just standing there with her arms to the side looking straight ahead, she had really small boobies, too. A cup, so it's not like anything was in any way pronounced. But I lost my Twitter account just for having that loaded up on there. I thought it was ridiculous but you have to watch out for that these days. I'm sure Bethesda is only too aware of it.EDIT: Oops, I meant Flicker, not Twitter. Oi, I'm really bad with names. Sorry. And lol to the person who said he or she wouldn't want to see a bunch of fat nords walking around naked, it would ruin the game...that cracked me.;D Edited November 25, 2011 by Pineapplerum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Darkmoon Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 I don't really care about this issue. Nudity won't ever influence my judgement over a game. I voted nay for TES but if a game developer thinks nudity would serve his game well, i think he should go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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