zanity Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) A little time before playing FO4, I began another playthru of Skyrim with the aim of modding the game to the max. Skyrim is a magnificant game, and the mods are to die for. Anyhoo FO4 (and Dying Light and Witcher 3) had my recent attention, and Skyrim was left untouched since then. Yesterday I visited the Skyrim part of the Nexus and checked out the recent mods. My mouth hasn't stopped DROOLING as I discovered in the meantime killer mods have appeared that excite me more than ANYTHING in Fallout 4- vanilla or mods. Now I'm NOT talking about special-ed Skyrim (which is most certainly NOT a remaster), where Beth bangs the old vanilla assets into the FO4 engine and suggests to suckers they've done something approaching 'work'. Original Skyrim fully modded is better than ANYTHING special-ed Skyrim has to offer. Just the thought of Skyrim makes me feel warm inside. I've played and 'enjoyed' FO4- but the idea of Fallout 4 leaves me COLD, so poorly executed was Beth's latest. Skyrim is a living breathing world, and the mods delight in adding to this. Contrast with FO4 mods (and yes, I know FO4 modders have had but a fraction of the time so far). The best FO4 mods handle low-hanging-fruit concepts as they try despreately to fix up the busted vanilla game, or cheaply add a bit of 'colour'. Better than nothing (who'd play without the dialogue mod?), but compared to the mod world of Skyrim, a bad joke. When the special-ed version of Skyrim appears, it can get only worse for Fallout 4. To bring FO4 to the base level of Vanilla Skyrim, modders would have to work in co-ordination to redo the entire FO4 landscape and faction system- which is certainly doable in theory, but could NEVER happen in reality because of the ambition of the project, and needed legion of modders working in lock-step. So all FO4 modders can do is poke at the dead world (and I don't mean 'dead' cos of the apocalypse either). It is clear that even Beth didn't have the first idea how to breath life into this franchise- and finds the Elder Scrolls, Doom, Dishonored, Prey franchises FAR more appealing from a world-building POV. Fallout is perceived as a BAD CLICHE by Beth, and it shows. The original design work of Fallout 3 was the high water mark- look how little NEW conceptual ideas were added to Fallout 4. I fear if I go back to Skyrim, I won't be coming back - and yet I so want to squeeze more life out of FO4. It's just that it feels like flogging a dead horse. And when special-ed Skyrim arrives, with console modding for the first time, I think the deep modders who desire to improve the world experience will all be back working on Skyrim. PS Vivid Weathers for Skyrim- drool, drool, DROOL- here's hoping the near released 1.4 version of THE weather mod for FO4 will deliver the goods. Edited June 17, 2016 by zanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisnpuppy Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 It is really apples and oranges here. Many folks are enjoying Fallout 4 and are happy enough with the base game. However that being said, modders can do amazing things (even in this "dead" world to use your words.) There is nothing wrong with cuddling up to an old friend while you wait for the young one to get its head turned proper. I have absolute faith that modders will continue to work with Fallout 4 and make it a much better game that it was out of the box. But fantasy is my heart's joy. I think the people that work on these games love it also. Still there are core people here that favor one or another in style and play. Remember that your Skyrim has been out for almost six years now. It has had all that time to be made more wonderful by the great modders here. Your Fallout 4 isn't going anywhere. It isn't milk, it won't spoil if you leave it for some time. So set it aside for now if Skyrim is your pleasure. I have gotten games then come back later and my enjoyment is even better as many fixes are done and mods are made for me to make a game more worthy of my time and enjoyment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethreon Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 This has to be the least angry post you made so far. Anyway, it sounds like you're more of a skyrim fan than fallout :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cossayos Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) It is really apples and oranges here. Many folks are enjoying Fallout 4 and are happy enough with the base game. However that being said, modders can do amazing things (even in this "dead" world to use your words.) There is nothing wrong with cuddling up to an old friend while you wait for the young one to get its head turned proper. I have absolute faith that modders will continue to work with Fallout 4 and make it a much better game that it was out of the box. But fantasy is my heart's joy. I think the people that work on these games love it also. I guess, once the patching and the DLCs are over, modders will really make a bigger difference than they already do. No constant changes anymore. Well, provided there are enough interested people to keep this going. Edited June 17, 2016 by cossayos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midtek Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Yeah, to me it is soccer and baseball. Both are set in different worlds but most importantly in different gamestyles. The method to deal with enemies are vastly different that you play sword & magic plus bow over an hundred hours while you mainly do gunfight in the other one. Many things come to the tastes, but because of the gameplay differentiation, I have enjoyed both series in different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyrusAmell Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Play both. That's what I intend to do. I'll alternate until Elder Scrolls 6 goes one sale. Edited June 17, 2016 by CyrusAmell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NexusFiles Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I loved Skyrim, and I will probably go back to it in the near future. Fallout 4 has left me empty. I never finished the game (I got bored with it). I just didn't find it as in depth as FO3 or NV. :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royhr Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Quick question for all of you Skyrim lovers, of which I'll admit up front that I'm not. Nothing against the game but it's just not my type of game. I've always been a Fall Out fan with FO3 still my favorite. Anyway the question. What was Skyrim like when it was less than a year old? I often read posts about how it wasn't all that great and that over time (years) with modding it became what it has become. Now be honest and don't come flying back at me from your heart. Was the game really all that great when it was less than a year old like FO4 is? Seems like Beth is Beth. They give us alright vanilla games and the mod authors then turn the games into something special... Just give FO4 time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunslinger6792 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I prefer fallout to skyrim but having just started playing skyrim again I will say that I think Skyrim has a better designed world. The sad fact is that skyrim's cities are better designed than fallout's ever were (with perhaps the exception of FNV) Making matters worse is that skryims cities in a lot of ways are a step backwards from oblivion, which causes me to wonder why can beth only make one proper city in fallout 4? Skyrim's world is just better designed and has a more natural feeling that fits it's game world. Fallout 4 should look dead but not like the bombs just dropped a few decades earlier, I'd expect that large parts of the commonwealth should resemble Prypit not a dead brown world. Anyway I guess what I'm saying is that Beth know's how to make a fantasy world but a post apocalyptic world, not so much. I still think new life can be breathed into fallout 4. For all of skyrims natural beauty it's factions and NPC's are largely just as dead and 2 dimensional as fallout 4's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cossayos Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Quick question for all of you Skyrim lovers, of which I'll admit up front that I'm not. Nothing against the game but it's just not my type of game. I've always been a Fall Out fan with FO3 still my favorite. Anyway the question. What was Skyrim like when it was less than a year old? I often read posts about how it wasn't all that great and that over time (years) with modding it became what it has become. Now be honest and don't come flying back at me from your heart. Was the game really all that great when it was less than a year old like FO4 is? Seems like Beth is Beth. They give us alright vanilla games and the mod authors then turn the games into something special... Just give FO4 time... It reintroduced the blue screen of death to me quite frequently. And no, I'm not a big fan either. At least without some serious mod barrage to make it interesting and playable. Not because I don't like fantasy, but because of nobody even remotely recognizing your achievements, thereby ruining immersion entirely. If you make head of some guild and still are treated like the new stablehand, it's not exactly interesting. I tolerated that with Morrowind and Oblivion to a certain degree, but not after FO3 where they did better in that department. It has been modded, but to me, the vanilla game was extremely meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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