cossayos Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 modders will quit modding if any mods for beth games can only be hosted on beth site I guarantee it not a single person will be left modding on nexus and maybe other sites too if those other sites receive some kind of legal notice from beth saying take down mods because beth site only for mods. Modding for pc gamers will then go underground to sites hosted in odd parts of the world where nato and US empire laws don't quite apply just yet. I'm amazed at the Robin Hood image attached to modding. Of course noone in their right minds would go against a legal ban. And if someone resorted to download from the Darknet or something along these lines, they can just prepare themselves for some uninvited software guests sniffing out their bank and credit card details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vyvexthorne Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Mods are still made by the pc users and as long as the pc modders are against paid mods I just don't see paid mods happening. Charging for mods would simply create a wider piracy problem and instead of modders simply having to worry about people on Beth.net stealing mods, they'd instead start seeing their payed mods uploaded to torrent sites. (I mean, there already are mods uploaded to torrent sites but it'd be a lot worse) Now, they could try to charge just console users but that would cause quite an outcry as modding would still remain free for pc users. Also, by creating paid mods Bethesda could actually create their own competition. If paid modding is at all lucrative you'd start seeing small companies forming just to make mods. Even though Beth would make a certain percent of money from these mods they could still possibly lose out if that mod was more popular than their own DLC.. or their entire game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lelcat Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 (edited) Everyone should back up for a second and think for a moment. modders will quit modding if any mods for beth games can only be hosted on beth site I guarantee it not a single person will be left modding on nexus and maybe other sites too if those other sites receive some kind of legal notice from beth saying take down mods because beth site only for mods. Modding for pc gamers will then go underground to sites hosted in odd parts of the world where nato and US empire laws don't quite apply just yet.What. the. hell. is. wrong. with. you.Stop smoking pot while reading conspiracy websites, it only feeds into your paranoia.Paid mods will be a thing, and free mods will also be a thing. You make it sound like some modder can make a pack of horse armor and put a 50€ price on it and people are forced at gunpoint to buy it. That is not how it works. Paid mods will raise the quality standards for paid mods. Also, most modders start in their teenage years. Some eventually build up great skill. Some will start working on games as a real job. Most won't. Now modders that started in their teens modding quake or Half-Life, some might have reached skills somewhat comparable professional developers in some areas. However they won't be spending their time to work on mods or will only do so for a very small amount of time because they got other things to do as a grown up. This limits the quality and size of mods. No matter how much skill a veteran modder has, he wont spend much time on mods anymore. However getting paid for it, changes all that. It pulls these veterans back into the game. Also, by creating paid mods Bethesda could actually create their own competition. If paid modding is at all lucrative you'd start seeing small companies forming just to make mods. Even though Beth would make a certain percent of money from these mods they could still possibly lose out if that mod was more popular than their own DLC.. or their entire game.Also that is completely wrong. Modders creating a mod for Fallout 4, no matter how good it is, they had not to do all of the hard work of creating the base game. You overlook how much work was already done before the modder boots the creation kit. All of the game assets are already premade by very hardworking bethesda people. The base game probably cost several tens of millions to make. Edited July 3, 2016 by lelcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha8088 Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Although it is fun to spin fantasy scenarios, no use putting too much energy into worrying until more information of Bethesda's intentions are forthcoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yasmoli Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 What about bug-fixing mods that beth doesn't bother addressing in their patches? Are they going to make us pay for that? If so, how is that far off from having to pay for patches? And dear lord, no game would ever make you pay for patches, not even beth. So yeah, there'll be some free mods.But of course there'll be paid mods too--Wasteland Workshop DLC is proving that imo. But the Internet is a vast, dark world, and where there's art, there's a way to pirate it. Whether mod authors are commissioned by beth or not, there'll be some way to make mods free. I mean, if you can pirate Bethesda's entire game of Fallout 4 (which my friend did), you can sure as hell pirate some 10kb independent mod :ninja: Just, uh, be sure to update your antivirus protection, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royhr Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Whether mod authors are commissioned by beth or not, there'll be some way to make mods free. I mean, if you can pirate Bethesda's entire game of Fallout 4 (which my friend did), you can sure as hell pirate some 10kb independent mod :ninja: Yes there will be ways to probably do this but you probably should not be talking about it here.... Any kind of pirating talk is kind of frowned on. :down: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minngarm Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Ah look at the ignorance spewing forth about the "big bad paid modding" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yasmoli Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 @Royhr I never said it was a good thing, in fact it's pretty much the opposite... It'll be a sad day when that sort of s#*! goes down, but if bethesda does start making people pay for mods, unfortunately it'll happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boombro Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) Perhaps I should have been clearer. It doesnt have to be completely bug free. But thorough testing for bugs (especially game breaking bugs) will be better for all involved.Expect with the way beth makes their games, it may be impossible. FNV dev pointed that the engines are buggy for a reason, they are open and mod-able thus causing bugs to happen. IF we want an almost bugless beth open world game, it should not be open at all. And the beth dev don't want that. Even after all these years, no other developer has bothered to copy the (very simplistic and easy to replicate) Making games like beth is the very opposite of that. They cost a ton of cash, they are hard to work with, they take freakishly long time to make and so hard to maintain since they are open world. Where the hell did you get that idea? Edited July 6, 2016 by Boombro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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