Trump is no go for German TES Community as far as I know them

[TheMastersSon]

The mandates are in place because of these employers. It's one example of what I mean by botched. The ACA should have simply offered everyone the same plan regardless of employment status, with provisions for zero-cost coverage for unemployed/disabled/etc Americans. But my understanding is that far more of us came out way ahead from the ACA than wound up paying more for our health insurance. If that claim is incorrect I'm all ears. Or eyes.

Edited November 12, 2016 by TheMastersSon

[Harbringe]

The mandates are in place because of these employers. It's one example of what I mean by botched. The ACA should have simply offered everyone the same plan regardless of employment status, with provisions for zero-cost coverage for unemployed/disabled/etc Americans. But my understanding is that far more of us came out way ahead from the ACA than wound up paying more for our health insurance. If that claim is incorrect I'm all ears. Or eyes.

 

I knew ACA was a scam as soon as they dropped the public option . Mark up on the various health plans averages around 30% when you factor in base to top tier plans and all this threatening by HMO's is just them saying we want more profit. When ACA first rolled out I said in these forums you were gonna see lowered costs that would get people to sign up , but once roped in you would start seeing your premiums going up. Basically what they have done with these exchanges is to get the Gov't to act as the agent that rounds up business for the Health insurance industry , that alone is going to save them 10's of millions maybe more in having to compete directly against the other guy. And of course along the way everything becomes more bureaucratized , costing you even more. I'm for the public option because it would knock that roughly 30% right off the top , you might as well make that money (taxpayer). I'm also for doing some other things to reduce costs but I doubt it would fly.

[JimboUK]

jim, imo you have an incredibly selective view of the world. In our country the major push of fascism today is clothed in the garb of "religious freedom", and it's almost exclusively a right-wing phenomenon not left-wing. In the last 40 years virtually all federal legislation has been for the primary benefit of multinational corporations and our ruling class, and even the pathetically small amount of headway Obama was able to make (e.g. the ACA) against this 40-year tidal wave of unrestrained greed is about to be undone by these same forces. We're about to see our country, as if it's not already, converted into something directly out of "Soylent Green".

 

The real fascism comes from a religion that the left constantly pander to, one that treats women and gay people appallingly yet anyone who dares to criticise it is labeled a racist. What's happening over there we've seen before over here, the left showing its intolerance, its tendency towards violence, it peddling of hatred and division. The left in this country behaves no differently to the early nazis, right down to attacking opponents political meetings, destroying their property and even anti-semitism including attacks on synagogues, I don't know about the US but in this country the left is vile.

 

It's the Clintons of this world that are servants of the multinationals and corporations, it's why they all lined up against Trump, we saw the same thing with Brexit. The multinationals want mass immigration, it drives down wages, something the left used to care about before they gave up their principles for a slavish adherence to political correctness. I'll tell you who scares the multinationals, it's Trump, Farage, Le Pen, Wilders, Hofer, Orbán and others like them, the multinationals aren't bothered by anyone on the left, the left is already dancing to their tune.

[Fatalmasterpiece]

 

IMO the term SJW is necessarily offensive. And really stupid. How many people actively campaign and advocate for social injustice? I mean aside from the "defense of marriage" camp and Westboro Baptist Church?

 

I find fascists offensive and that's what these people are, they want to tell me what I can say, what I can think, they're racist, they're sexist and will quite happily engage in homophobic attacks if their target holds a different opinion to them, in fact they're all the things they claim others are, if there's one thing the left is good at it's projecting. These people aren't campaigning for social justice, they're campaigning to force their agenda onto other people, they're self serving hypocrites.

 

Jim, who are "these" people? Is there an official SJW political party I'm unfamiliar with? Or are these just further hyperbolic statements projected onto an imaginary adversary to promote your worldview?

 

 

 

jim, imo you have an incredibly selective view of the world. In our country the major push of fascism today is clothed in the garb of "religious freedom", and it's almost exclusively a right-wing phenomenon not left-wing. In the last 40 years virtually all federal legislation has been for the primary benefit of multinational corporations and our ruling class, and even the pathetically small amount of headway Obama was able to make (e.g. the ACA) against this 40-year tidal wave of unrestrained greed is about to be undone by these same forces. We're about to see our country, as if it's not already, converted into something directly out of "Soylent Green".

I would point out, that the ACA did more to screw up insurance coverage, than it did to help anyone. Rates have skyrocketed with the enactment of the ACA, and folks are now given a choice of paying for their healthcare coverage, or buying food.

 

I have real issues with the government REQUIRING me to purchase a product from a private industry.

 

 

Except 10 million people who now have coverage that didn't before, and anyone 19-26 years old, and anyone with an existing condition... so um, yeah it did help lots of people. The individual mandate has problems but we are a lot better off post ACA then before... and by we I mean millions of Americans who couldn't afford health care and now can. I haven't met any of these folks choosing between healthcare and food. Where are they and why aren't they buying insurance on their state's market which generally offers very reasonable rates?

[HeyYou]

 

 

IMO the term SJW is necessarily offensive. And really stupid. How many people actively campaign and advocate for social injustice? I mean aside from the "defense of marriage" camp and Westboro Baptist Church?

 

I find fascists offensive and that's what these people are, they want to tell me what I can say, what I can think, they're racist, they're sexist and will quite happily engage in homophobic attacks if their target holds a different opinion to them, in fact they're all the things they claim others are, if there's one thing the left is good at it's projecting. These people aren't campaigning for social justice, they're campaigning to force their agenda onto other people, they're self serving hypocrites.

 

Jim, who are "these" people? Is there an official SJW political party I'm unfamiliar with? Or are these just further hyperbolic statements projected onto an imaginary adversary to promote your worldview?

 

 

 

jim, imo you have an incredibly selective view of the world. In our country the major push of fascism today is clothed in the garb of "religious freedom", and it's almost exclusively a right-wing phenomenon not left-wing. In the last 40 years virtually all federal legislation has been for the primary benefit of multinational corporations and our ruling class, and even the pathetically small amount of headway Obama was able to make (e.g. the ACA) against this 40-year tidal wave of unrestrained greed is about to be undone by these same forces. We're about to see our country, as if it's not already, converted into something directly out of "Soylent Green".

I would point out, that the ACA did more to screw up insurance coverage, than it did to help anyone. Rates have skyrocketed with the enactment of the ACA, and folks are now given a choice of paying for their healthcare coverage, or buying food.

 

I have real issues with the government REQUIRING me to purchase a product from a private industry.

 

 

Except 10 million people who now have coverage that didn't before, and anyone 19-26 years old, and anyone with an existing condition... so um, yeah it did help lots of people. The individual mandate has problems but we are a lot better off post ACA then before... and by we I mean millions of Americans who couldn't afford health care and now can. I haven't met any of these folks choosing between healthcare and food. Where are they and why aren't they buying insurance on their state's market which generally offers very reasonable rates?

 

10 million more people have 'coverage'. Technically, yes, they are insured, however, the deductibles, exclusions, and various other nonsense makes it the rough equivalent of not having insurance at all. And yes, I know of a selection of folks around here that now technically have insurance, but, it is useless to them on a day to day basis. If they have some catastrophic injury/condition, then MAYBE it will help them...... The breast cancer survivor I used to live next door to was forced to change providers, and the new provider wouldn't cover even half of what her original provider did, and her rates tripled...... The ACA is the DIRECT cause of that result.

 

There IS a better solution, and it doesn't required 2500 plus pages of legalese to implement.

[Fatalmasterpiece]

 

*Snip*

I'm sorry but that doesn't add up. Under the ACA I was able to get my girlfriend insured last year through medicaid. She had developed a disability, is 100% covered, and pays $0. It's great. Same with my sister who had breast cancer and is on medicaid. I myself purchase health insurance through my work for about $60 a month on an HMO. I have a $20 visit copay, $500 hospital copay and 100% coverage on preventative care. It's not perfect but it's ok. So I'm sorry, I'm just not buying your ACA horror story. It's helped everyone I know. I'm not saying the ACA is perfect or a god send, but I'm saying it was a step in the right direction and literally made 10 million people's lives better than it was pre-ACA.

 

I agree there is a better solution. In this nation we provide police, fire, military and schooling to all our citizens for their tax contributions. It's time we extend that to healthcare. We need a single payer system that provides for everyone. It's ridiculous that we are the only major country that does not do this and have one foot left in the 20th century until we do so.

[HeyYou]

 

 

*Snip*

I'm sorry but that doesn't add up. Under the ACA I was able to get my girlfriend insured last year through medicaid. She had developed a disability, is 100% covered, and pays $0. It's great. Same with my sister who had breast cancer and is on medicaid. I myself purchase health insurance through my work for about $60 a month on an HMO. I have a $20 visit copay, $500 hospital copay and 100% coverage on preventative care. It's not perfect but it's ok. So I'm sorry, I'm just not buying your ACA horror story. It's helped everyone I know. I'm not saying the ACA is perfect or a god send, but I'm saying it was a step in the right direction and literally made 10 million people's lives better than it was pre-ACA.

 

I agree there is a better solution. In this nation we provide police, fire, military and schooling to all our citizens for their tax contributions. It's time we extend that to healthcare. We need a single payer system that provides for everyone. It's ridiculous that we are the only major country that does not do this and have one foot left in the 20th century until we do so.

 

You can believe me or not. I have zero reason to lie here. I report the facts as they are told to me, directly from others (and my own) experience.

 

I have MS. I am considered 100% disabled by the government/social security, yet they STILL want me to pay near 200 bucks a month for medicare part D. That is most certainly a fact. Why it is different for me, than it is for you? I haven't the faintest idea........ It is, after all, our government.........

[Maharg67]

There'd less of chance of a war with Trump in charge.

 

This is far from certain! He may cause a war because of his personality, the way he treats people and policy. When it comes to the future almost nothing is that neatly predictable because people, and history, are just too complicated for it to be so.

[Soloquendi]

I remember a time when who you voted for was the least important thing defining a person. Now it's everything to some people. No matter how kind, charitable or honest you are, if you aren't part of my tribe(left, right, etc) you are the enemy. This is destroying our society. Until we stop squabbling among ourselves, the real enemy will continue to manipulate us for their own profit. Who am I talking about? The same people it's always been throughout history. The wealthy and powerful and their sycophants, who expect to also be wealthy and powerful if they just tout the company line. Lords, Masters, or CEO's. The title changes but the desire to control doesn't.

 

It's incredible. Modern corporations have used their control of the media to convince people that government is the enemy, when in truth government is the only thing that can protect us from the real enemy. They've managed to get us screaming at the puppet on their right hand while stealing our wallet with their left. In truth, our congress has become a puppet of the corporate elite. This is nothing new of course. Our country was in much the same spot in the late 19th century. The Congress then was probably the most corrupt ever seen up til that time. Exploitation of our resources and workforce was rampant.

 

I don't see it changing any time soon either. People are too willing to give up their freedoms for a few creature comforts. As long as they have the newest toys and gadgets, they'll be good little sheep. As a great man once said; "You get the government you deserve".

[HeyYou]

In the US, corporate america OWNS the government.