JimboUK Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 In the US, corporate america OWNS the government. It's not just in the US, the EU is run by bankers thralls on behalf of big business, just look at what was done to Greece and to a lesser extent other southern European nations, people were driven into poverty to protect French and German banks, Greece itself is no more than a means to funnel money from the ECB into those very banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit1251 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Trump is a "No-Go" also for a lot of Americans who feel betrayed and disappointed in the Republican Part at this time. The Rabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoSxorpio Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Geopolitical Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Trump is a "No-Go" also for a lot of Americans who feel betrayed and disappointed in the Republican Part at this time. The RabbitI haven't been very happy with EITHER party for quite some time now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMastersSon Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Trump is a "No-Go" also for a lot of Americans who feel betrayed and disappointed in the Republican Part at this time. The RabbitI haven't been very happy with EITHER party for quite some time now...... The sole difference between the two is the set of special interests the parties represent. From federal court decisions to federal laws to budgets we've been moreless entirely disenfranchised since at least 1971, when Nixon -- without a popular vote -- sold our middle class and labor force down the Yellow River. We didn't even normalize relations with the PRC until eight years after these economic ties were created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Trump is a "No-Go" also for a lot of Americans who feel betrayed and disappointed in the Republican Part at this time. The RabbitI haven't been very happy with EITHER party for quite some time now...... The sole difference between the two is the set of special interests the parties represent. From federal court decisions to federal laws to budgets we've been moreless entirely disenfranchised since at least 1971, when Nixon -- without a popular vote -- sold our middle class and labor force down the Yellow River. We didn't even normalize relations with the PRC until eight years after these economic ties were created. And, they were granted 'most favored nation' status without much ado as well. Which seriously screwed the american worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshinenbrick Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoneyLogic Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) In my opinion Clinton and the establ.... err, her gang, cheated the election by booting out Sanders. Not sure if this is sth considered legal in the US, however most media doesn't reallty seem to care about it. If that would be true, NOT the one who hacked the emails (and as a result uncovering that "tiny conspiacy thing going on" to cut out the candidates who could get elected as well) did manipulate the election. The person in question would be the one who drove out Sanders from a democratic election. Or didn't it? If I got this wrong, please correct me. I'm neither an expert in US laws nor did I follow the entire media discussion. So that whole accusation to the hacker, who ever they are, seems to be a spin just to distract the attention from Clinton. Who is the bad guy:a) Someone who made some mouthy announcements, most likely being a poser, didn't do anything yet, but said that he WOULD do strange things orb) someone who actually DID nasty things already orc) someone who made said nasty things public?d) someone else Also, you'll as yourself who was in charge for the circumstances that on election day, there was only one choice left: to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea. Who was responsible for that?a) Clintonb) Trumpc) "The Hacker"d) someone else In my opinion there are those two questions to answer. Just ask your self and try to be impartial. So personally, I for myself, I do know who is worse.(Given my presumtions are right) Edited January 9, 2017 by tortured Tomato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Though the progressive left (snowflakes) like to point the finger at anyone besides HRC as to why she lost. The one thing that no one from the DNC ever has stated on the record: that the leaks were not an accurate reveal or fallacious. The left's champion team got caught with their hand on the scales...however that would require some intellectual honesty to admit that..it's so much easier to whinge on that they were 'cheated'. Graciousness in victory is easy..it's how one handles defeat is what reveals one's mettle. So far I'm underwhelmed by the progressive's performance, which is why the term 'snowflake' is appropriate 'nom de guerre for them IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisnpuppy Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I think Hillary lost for a number of reasons. I do think the election was impacted by these things. When you talk about a less than 1% difference in some states or counties then you have to at least wonder. But really this isn't about Hillary and things from that side have been remarkably silent. However, the issue to me and most of the "liberals" that I talk with, is that a foreign power deliberately and successfully attempted to undermind the democratic process in the United States as they do throughout Europe all the time. No, the Russians are not the only groups that do hacking. All Nations participate in these kinds of things including the U.S. The United States has interfered in elections of sovereign Nations more than once. So our hands are not clean. The issue is that Trump has insulted the intelligence community in how he has spoken about this. These people risk their lives daily to obtain this information. A president-elect who not only engages in this but in public Twitters really is too shameful for any words I can have. I really was hoping once he say the enormity of the job of president he would maybe, settle down. He has not. I mean recalling all the politically appointed diplomats by inauguration day (and can he actually order than before then? He still is not president.) That other nations have gone and spoken to him in more than a introductory or theoretical manner. He doesn't need to make policy announcements on social media. And this issue of untruths being told. Trump is the president-elect and he is telling untruths. This isn't about Hillary and whatever her lies may have been. This is about the person taking over the free world in 11 (?) days. He underminds his own ability to get information, I have serious concerns about his picks of many cabinet positions and staff (like his son-in-law for one. Good to know nepotism isn't dead. Or what of Ms. Devoss who not only is a big supporter of charter schools and private funding and not public schools, but is also the daughter-in-law of Rich Devoss who started Amway.) I have concerns with Trumps unwillingness to show his tax returns (as well as the positions he is trying to fill) and to resolve his obvious and blatant conflicts of interest. And I thought that republicans supported free enterprise in the economy? Then why is a president-elect bullying and brow-beating companies into doing something? I have no doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot Hillary would be trying to protect her legitimacy and Trump would be singing the same tune as her supporters are now. That is a give. But my concerns into the actions of Russia (and make no doubt it was Russia.) and the treatment of all intelligence agencies who have for the first time spoken in one voice. Treating something with a healthy skepticism and asking questions is a good thing. Talking to the intelligence community as Trump has done is shameful and counter-productive to say the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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