Deleted2433418User Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 First off.. let me start by saying that i have played Skyrim for a couple of years now and enjoyed it,even with the incessant CTD´s and all..But(and there´s always a "But") Skyrim lacks in so many areas that Modding is essential to fully enjoy the game,therefore i have written this little piece to back my claims.. some people may disagree and some might even call me a heretic regarding some of my opinions about what needs to be modded and what can be left as-is... but that ,i think,is healthy and a sign of a diverse community(gaaawd i wrote "diverse" now i have to punch myself)so,without further ado.. let me begin.. The Game start.. Now most who start up Skyrim for the first time will have the same feeling i had.. WOW,i mean,WOW,how immersive.. how thoroughly well thought out.. and you really get the feeling that you are lost,bewildered and generally in deep water.. and then comes the next playthrough or restart..and you think yeah,i know this.. third time you start pressing random keys on your keyboard in the vain hope of skipping the Cart-ride and the lists and.. get on with it... But there is no escape.. here is where you need Mods.. a mod like Alternate start will enable you to go right to Character Creation and from there you can,if you are a bit masochistic,return to your "joyful" ride in the comfy cart..or something else... After the Cart-ride and the lists you get to Character-Creation and you (if you are anything of an aesthetic,like me) immediately think.."wait ,what?.. is ugly,dirty,scruffy or hideous my options??.. yes,yes it is.. you can be a male or female of all represented races but you have to be ugly.. Bethesda says so.. now i could,sort of,live with that in Oldrim(graphics power and so on) but SSE?? Bethesda had all the reasons in the WORLD(last sentence said in a Clarkson-esque tone) to improve the features of the many and diverse(said it again,face-punch) races of Skyrim.. but no,no they did´nt.. in flies MODS to the rescue.. there are myriads of mods improving upon the looks of Players and NPC´s.. and thank the Gods for that.. which one ,or ones,you choose is solely a matter of taste,even races can be altered,modified and,sometimes,improved.. so ANY mod that changes the looks of Males,Females and what have you are a MUST.. unless you have a thing for dirty,grimy,ugly and so forth,in that case i will not judge you.. Arms and Armour.. what can i say... in their wisdom the designers of the game looked to the greatest source of knowledge regarding non-modern age weaponry ... a kid called Ernie who lives in a world of Manga-Heroines and anime-quotes..and decided to LARP-ify(it´s a word) everything from the humble knife to the mighty Greatsword.the weapons are HUUUUGE.. and i mean, i have some experience with swords,axes and knifes and i would be severely hampered in any situation by the massive size of these things..i do understand the need to clarify the difference in categories(knife,sword,axe,great-axe,great-sword) but,seriously?? sometimes bigger is,definitely not better.. you have Bows that stand taller than men and swords even a Lou Ferrigno would have difficulties wielding.. "But it´s a game" i hear you cry.. yes,yes it is.. but all the same..it does seem a tad too much..but,yet again,MODS to the rescue.. Weapons,Armour,Clothing..all to your specifications and catering to any need and desire..you want REAL Bows? sure mate,here you go..you want a Katana? no probrem,Dovah-San.. Mods make the Armory fun and makes you NOT feel like you´re in the local Park with a bunch of kids in taped tunics and plastic helmets.. Moving on... Quests.. (cue ominous music and rolling thunder).. you can´t really avoid any of them...to give you an example.. my own Character has absolutely no inclination to or need for Magic.. every situation can,and will be handled by Sword,Dagger or Crossbow.. but...at some point you bloody well have to go the Mages College and BLAAAMMMM!!! you not only need Magic,you,involuntarily get enrolled.. what??..yup,old sport you´re a Mage now..but i don´t even like Harry Potter..Oh,dear,How sad,never mind.. you have this Quest-line in you journal no matter what.. you can not delete any quests handed to you by annoying NPC´s at any and all times in the game..nope.. no can do..you are stuck with a journal over-flowing with missions and objectives that you have neither the notion of or the inclination to fulfill..but you can not get rid of them..but wait..what is that? is it a bird? is it a Dragon?? no it´s a MOD..hooray,we´re saved.. yes,Ladies and Gentlemen.. there is actually mods that can give you the option to turn down a quest,or even delete entries in your precious journal.. it´s true!.. would i lie?(well yes,but not right now).. so Modders (Gods bless them) have made it possible to have free will.. hoooray,and kiss them all.. Followers,Companions and such... The basic game followers and companions are little more than automatrons.. they "Carry your burdens" and repeat the same lines ad nauseam.. after a time,they annoy you.. you can marry them and this is where i seriously question the mental health of the developers.. who? in their right mind would marry any of these Automatrons,who,at best have the personality of a Mule or,at worst,behave like a reject from "Some Country´s got talent"??.. But,yet again...MODs,dam-dam-dam-dam..dam-dam-dam-dam MODS!!.. always willing to help and always catering to your specific tastes in companionship.. my own personal favourite is(of course) INIGO.. the creator of which i regard as a shining star in Mod-heaven.. but there is a score of Follower/Companion mods out there..voiced,aware of surrounding,with background stories and well.. what the followers and companions should have been from the start.. Get your modded Companion today.. you will not regret it.. Main story/stories... all the "Dragon-Born" stuff is pretty okay.. tedious on the 20th playthrough but okay.. what i do not,can not,get to grips with, generally the "What?? " factor is..the Civil War.. everybody talks about it.. everyone and his Grandma has an opinion on it.. but,where is it?? you don´t see any fighting.. you can be a well-known supporter and Thane for any side and yet.. you just mosey on into the Towns,Cities and Strongholds of the opposing side..wait,what?? yes,yes you do.. it makes no sense.. I had the pleasure of Thalmor agents passing notes among themselves describing,by name,what a murderous,traitorous,heathen cut-throat i was..BY NAME... and yet i mingle amiably with Elewen at the Embassy.. now that´s a clever disguise,put on "fine" clothes and hey,presto,nobody recognizes you for the Heroic/murderous Champion/Bastard you are.. but again... da-da-da-dum-da-duuum... MODS..with mods you can actually see,hear and feel the effects of a civil War.. not only on the Landscape but in your interactions with the people of the World..niiiice,i hear you grunt.. it is the truth..mod authors have made the civil War come to life... something Bethesda seem to have forgotten in their initial and subsequent release... to conclude.. Skyrim is a wonderful game that i very much enjoy.. BUT...you bloody well have to heavily mod it to get the full experience anticipated..thankfully Bethesda has made it possible... and for that i am grateful but please.. Bethesda.. Elder Scrolls six??.. and ask around the modding communities what people want.. it would make it win-win for all of us.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exakter Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 I lost interest in what you have to say when diverse became a bad word in your lexicon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted2433418User Posted November 25, 2016 Author Share Posted November 25, 2016 I lost interest in what you have to say when diverse became a bad word in your lexicon. Oh dear,how sad.. never mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve40 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 tldr. Pointless thesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brataccas Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) isalex: Skyrim doesn't *need* to be modded - it's a great game as-is - a true classic. Modding just makes it a different game and you may prefer that but it doesn't take anything away from the original. A team of creatives worked long hours and did the very best they could with the time, budget and creative mandate they were given - show a little respect for their efforts. Edited November 26, 2016 by Brataccas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted2433418User Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 isalex: Skyrim doesn't *need* to be modded - it's a great game as-is - a true classic. Modding just makes it a different game and you may prefer that but it doesn't take anything away from the original. A team of creatives worked long hours and did the very best they could with the time, budget and creative mandate they were given - show a little respect for their efforts.I do,sincerely respect the effort.. i do however,reserve the right to point out the flaws and severe limitations the designers have put in the game.. it has but a smidgeon actual role-play.. that,you must concede,and the points i have been making i find valid..you may disagree and i recognize your opinion but,nevetheless i stand by mine... skyrim is greater because of the mods,and would maybe,maybe not have been a classic without them.. but i suggest that,because of the ability to mod it and the abundance of mods.. Skyrim have had and will have a longer life than most games.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jones177 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I think Skyrim doesn't need to get modded if you are not planning on living there.If you do, like I do, you will need lots of them. To me Skyrim is a fantasy simulator & like all simulators that I have played adding mods to tailor the experience is the thing to do. If you are happy with the game right out of the box that is fine. As far as I am concerned the main & DLC quests are just scenarios. All simulators come with them & it is up to you if you want to bother with them. I was the Dragonborn back in 2011. I am not planning to be the Dragonborn again any time soon. Later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boombro Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) I agree about the start, but really don't understand the want for realism for gear when it comes for skyrim. It a game and the realism was not desired by the devs as we can see clearly in Skyrim, i don't see why it bad. sure mate,here you go..you want a Katana? The games have some though. There is a whole Japanese like province with it own races, gear etc. Main story/stories... all the "Dragon-Born" stuff is pretty okay.. tedious on the 20th playthrough but okay.. what i do not,can not,get to grips with, generally the "What?? " factor is..the Civil War.. everybody talks about it.. everyone and his Grandma has an opinion on it.. but,where is it?? you don´t see any fighting.. Very true, but one can easily see from mods that add such stuff that such stuff can be greatly tasking on the system and cause crashes. to conclude.. Skyrim is a wonderful game that i very much enjoy.. BUT...you bloody well have to heavily mod it Hardly, when SSE first came out i had light mods and had quite the fun with it. but...at some point you bloody well have to go the Mages College and BLAAAMMMM!!! you not only need Magic,you,involuntarily get enrolled.. what??..yup,old sport you´re a Mage now.. You don't have to talk to the gate keeper, you can also pass with speech check. And the only quest that needs you be a mage in the collage is the main quest, even then, you can cast a simple spell one time in your play through and that it, ut i don´t even like Harry Potter..Oh,dear,How sad,never mind.. It sad it not ripping off another world and deleting everything they have done in the last games when it comes to gameplay, lore etc? you are stuck with a journal over-flowing with missions and objectives that you have neither the notion of or the inclination to fulfill..but you can not get rid of them I agree that it would be nice to say no, but it not really a big issue. Edited November 26, 2016 by Boombro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisselli Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) I noticed an influx of people wanting Beth to basically add all the things that mod authors add to the games. Alla.. put an end to modding.I read posts like that differently than everyone else. Just strikes me as an acquired anti-modding attitude people are taking. "Beth do everything please". No devs in the world have that kind of time. Edited November 26, 2016 by Lisselli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizardmirth Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I noticed an influx of people wanting Beth to basically add all the things that mod authors add to the games. Alla.. put an end to modding. I read posts like that differently than everyone else. Just strikes me as an acquired anti-modding attitude people are taking. "Beth do everything please". No devs in the world have that kind of time. At the end of the day its more about getting better amenities for the studio like private chef, exercise room, and whatever else they bought for themselves over the years. I'm not saying that they don't deserve it on some level (regular employees probably need it most as they are forced to work long hours with probably no overtime, so definitely better for them.) That said, there is an incredible amount of stuff to do in Skyrim without mods and probably their most ambitious title involving quests. But Beth has been taking all the most essential mods into consideration every step of the way probably since Morrowind and try to implement them as much as possible in future games so long as the deadlines can be met. My impression is that they have a very non-spoken love/hate relationship with the modding community because it both hurts and helps them in different ways. Usually the majority of fans can only make any sways in decisions, that's why users together with mod authors needs to maintain a consistent front. I for one would just be happy if they could release much less broken titles so that veteran modders can focus more on expansions rather than fixes. But Beth probably doesn't mind the modder's fixes if it helps them out in the long run with people liking and buying their games, and there's much of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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