Alexotero1219 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 You think being motivated by money is bad for creativity? The movie, book, video game and music industry says otherwise. Every artist want to profit from their creative work, trying to shame mod authors for desiring to sell their work is beyond petty, selfish and not least unrealistic. I can not begin to fathom how someone believes it's the other way around. Stop basing arguments on a pipe dream and instead face the uncomfortable truth; mods belongs to the mod author and you have no say in how it's destributed or if it's distributed at all. Are we living in the same reality? The arts in this day and age are sheet. Everything is done by a formula to maximize profits. Movies are judged by how much cash they rake in. How many Mummy, Beauty and the Beast remakes do you need to see? Don't even get me started on music... Inject money into mods and have them filtered , curated and Bethesda-ized , what do you think will happen? Do you think they will push the envelope and come up with something outside of the formula? They have systematically dumbed down the franchise for maximum profitability. I don't think they are capable of being innovative anymore, I believe this is part of the reason they want to hijack our community. It takes modders like Kinggath to fix their profit driven after thought of a settlement system. It takes the Unofficial Patch crew to touch up and fix bugs that Bethesda to this day will not fix. Its all about money now with them. The artistry of gaming only exists for the grunts doing the actual art and even they are stifled and their creativity forced into a mold. You can be a negative pessimist to your hearts content, completely neglecting all the great works of art that has been made just to make it seem like you got a point. I need only point to the fact that you're here discussing video games and enjoying all types of media and it should be clear as day that you're an unrealistic hypocrite only pushing an agenda. So to answer your question; no, we don't live in the same reality. I am just dealing in facts, I don't think any thinking person would disagree that we are in a Dark Age when it comes to artistic expression.. I am sure there are plenty who think Harry Potter is a great work of literature and that Kanye West is indeed the greatest artist of all time, but I would hope they are a minority.. Bottom line, our modding community has nothing to gain from the intrusion of Bethesda. They have shown us what they are offering. $1 weapons and $5 Crab Armor. Until I see something else from them I will be a pessimist because they have a history to live down. "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...I won't get fooled again." - GW Bush Our community is releasing incredible content now without their help. None of you sellouts has yet to say what exactly the community has to gain from this. Its all about what Modders wallets will gain. You're confusing facts with your own personal views and hyperbole opinions. You might be unwilling to look at alle the positives but I think it's sad that you'd go as far as wanting to destroy something so potetially rewarding - not only for mod authors but for users too - just out of spite. And what exactly are we risking if it fails? Nothing. But you're not afraid of failure, you're afraid of paid mods succeeding. Because in your mind that translates to just the same quality of mods except now you got to pay for them, as if having to pay for work is a legitimate reason to be against it in the first place. But if we're being realistic rather than a bunch of pessimistic doomsayers it is a whole lot more likely that money and the responsbility it intails will lead to higher quality mods developed by more professional "modders" who would never work for free. This is the only fact that matters: You are entitled to nothing. "Our community" as you put it will be whatever we as individual modders make it out to be and only a hypocrite would pretend to dictate what is best for us as a collective. Paid mods is only a choice that each individual mod author can choose to pursue, and if you're against people making a choice then you should seriously reconsider your position. Yes and what are the benefits for users? We get the privilege of getting fleeced by Bethesda? Please lay it out for me. You can't because there are no benefits. Yes there are. More official content, yes, that you have to pay for, that does not eat into your mod space, doesn't come with any restrictions, and, for the PS4 crowd, can use external assets. It is, quite literally, Official DLC. No one is forcing you to buy it, no one is even forcing you to look at it. However, there just might be some really good content made available, for small price. There really is NO downside here. If you don't want the content, don't buy it. Did you buy Horse Armor for Oblivion? When you didn't, did a beth employee come to your house, and put a bullet in the back of your head? No? Ok, so, where is the problem? We have great content now. Why should PS4 users have to pay for content that everyone else has? Why should other users have to pay so Ps4 Users can get content? Shouldn't Bethesda be eating that if they want it so bad? They are the ones who promised them content, not me. And I saw no evidence of DLC. I saw swords and armor for sale. That's it. They didn't even bother to try and provide a scale of DLC. I think we saw exactly what we are getting. Paid mods to mainly fleece Ps4 users but it will hit us all. PS4 folks are being screwed by Sony. Not beth, not zenimax, not mod authors. They should know exactly who to blame by now. And no one at beth works for free. They are in business to make money. Not give stuff away for free. Once again, that is on Sony. That was a demo. Likely not even 'real' content. And even if that is all 'we' get, how does it hurt anyone at all? If the PS4 folks want it, they can get it, if you don't want it, you don't have to. If you think Creation Club is going to decimate the free modding community or result in you having to pay for every single one of your 250 mods, then I'm assuming you haven't read the Creation Club's faq before you started spouting apocalyptic bulls***. The alternative is that you're just a complete idiot. Let's just look at the logistics of what it means to become a Creation Club member. You have to apply, just as you would for a job. You have to prove the quality of your work; you'll be working alongside professional developers and expected to live up to their standards. You have to pitch every product to the company. You have to convince them to fund it. You have to go through multiple stages of QA and approval. You have to follow professional rules and etiquette that casual modders don't have to folllow. In short, it is going to be an extreme minority of mods that end up in the Creation Club's store. Mods by authors with a small or unimpressive portfolio (that is to say, most modders,) mods that aren't lore friendly, mods that use inadequately licensed modders resources (like SKSE or furniture packs,) mods that only have niche appeal, mods that Bethesda just doesn't like (including, most likely, mods that fix Bethesda's mistakes) are still going to be free because they won't make it through Creation Club. What does that mean? It means that only a handful of modders are even going to make it into Creation Club, and then only a handful of their mods will make it through. Creation Club might poach several of our best modders (you know, the ones that we're always saying "I'd totally pay money for your work" about anyway) but many will continue to do free mods simply because the hobbyist workstyle suits them better. The rest of us regular jackoffs who only make player homes and weapon rebalances couldn't get into Creation Club even if we wanted to so we're still going to be here at the Nexus doing business as usual. The only difference is that we'll have the option of buying some really awesome mods that rarely get made on Nexus because they're too difficult/time consuming for the average hobbyist modder to produce.Furthermore, Bethesda said explicitly that all the mods you already have will never be paid because they're only accepting completely new, original content made specifically through the Creation Club. So unless you're saying you're going to uninstall all 250 of the mods you already have and replace them with mods from the Creation Club (why would you do that unless Creation Club's mods are substantially better than the free versions?) you're not going to be paying for all of your mods. Thank You! Someone that 'gets it'. CC is NOT going to be the end of free modding. It simply is. not. It can't be. Not only for the reasons pointed out by the destroyed spacecraft, but also because without free mods, beths pool of potential authors immediately dries up. I will grant that beth has made some less-than-appealing decisions in the past, but, I don't find it very likely that they are really looking to fall on their own swords. And what is keeping them bound to this? They have lied over promised many many times. There is no reason for me to believe their words, especially when it doesn't match what they present to the public. I will grant that they don't have the best rep, but, you CAN bet that they are going to do what is in their own best interests. If they dispose of free modding, their labor pool immediately dries up, and CC becomes useless. Do you really think they are that stupid? I lost what the purpose of this thread was supposed to be. I understand that the CC may and I stress may cause issues for the community as a whole but we need to withhold judgment until we see the products and how they are presented, the price point, and whether the modders are adequately compensated for their work. Bethesda Softworks and Zenemax have a tendancy of s***ing the bed and BGS is not known for super polished end products but I would prefer wait and see what comes from this plan they have given us next to no information about. Every time I see someone say to look at the faq they have given us it really tells us little about the produce that CC is or will be. I have a fair amount of respect for Pete Hines and with the circles that he is talking and tweeting about the program I don't think he has any faith in the program. I want the modders to be compensated in someway that resembles adequate but I don't trust BS or Zenemax. I do understand that this is the only way to get into Sony's walled garden of no new assets in the free mods, that being said I don't trust BS or Zenemax but I will hope for the best.we already waited and saw. It was called the steam curated workshop. Totally different situation here. The steam workshop was open to anyone that wanted to upload their version of Horse Armor. CC is going to have an EXTREMELY limited participation rate. Less than .1% of mod authors will likely ever be involved. That leaves the other 99.9% cranking out free stuff. If you'll recall most people were not upset because anyone could upload to the curated workshop. Most people were upset because they were being charged for food retextures and bow mods. The core issues haven't changed in the slightest honestly. At least it doesn't seem like they have at all. And anyone paying for those only had themselves to blame. What is so hard to understand about "If you don't want it, DON'T BUY IT."??????? The REASON you were seeing idiocy like that, is BECAUSE it was open to anyone. And as I recall, most folks were upset simply because mod authors could put their mods behind a paywall, regardless of quality, or content. The 'always been free, always should be free' folks raised quite a stink. Gabe folded under pressure. I don't think Beth is going to. Thats exactly what ive been saying. People wont pay for small content additions no matter how high quality. Very few people are going to pay money so they can have one bow added into the game even if its a really good bow. On the flipside its very possible that this paid mods attempt will have a similar effect on the community as the last one and all so mod authors can make next to nothing from it. Most folks were mad because beth advertised their games as having quality free mods and sold them on that premise. Then secretly went around and started talking with mod authors privately setting up a paid mods scheme then those same authors did exactly what beth did and advertised part of their mods as free then turned around and put them behind a paywall. This new attempt is basically the exact same thing as the old attempt except maybe you wont see funny memes like "literally nothing just pay me money" on the creation club this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJoseCuervo Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 Better mods huh? I have seen mods that blow away anything Bethesda has done. So I think your one and only positive point that you buried in your paragraph trying to justify modders selling out the community stinks. Fallout 4 and Skyrim will be the last iteration of a Bethesda modding community if CC is successful. they will have the foundation for their paid mods in place for the next game then all they need to do is change the engine they use (Yay!) then not release any Creation Tools (Boo!) then let the fleecing begin. Then its game over. Yup. Mod authors have put out some truly amazing stuff, all on their own, now, just think what they will be able to do working WITH Beth. Your predictions of gloom and doom have zero basis in fact, and are just your opinion, meaningless. You can no more predict the future than I can. I already told you what they would do. They will Bethesda-ize mods. Lower their features and quality to work with consoles. In the end it will result in bland content that is afraid to experiment and try new things. Profitability > Innovation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Thats exactly what ive been saying. People wont pay for small content additions no matter how high quality. Very few people are going to pay money so they can have one bow added into the game even if its a really good bow. On the flipside its very possible that this paid mods attempt will have a similar effect on the community as the last one and all so mod authors can make next to nothing from it. Most folks were mad because beth advertised their games as having quality free mods and sold them on that premise. Then secretly went around and started talking with mod authors privately setting up a paid mods scheme then those same authors did exactly what beth did and advertised part of their mods as free then turned around and put them behind a paywall. This new attempt is basically the exact same thing as the old attempt except maybe you wont see funny memes like "literally nothing just pay me money" on the creation club this time around. And the games DID have free mods, they still do. With CC, you will only see NEW content. No 'parts' of mods, or anything else of that nature. Apparently, it IS possible for beth to learn something. (astounding as that revelation is......) Better mods huh? I have seen mods that blow away anything Bethesda has done. So I think your one and only positive point that you buried in your paragraph trying to justify modders selling out the community stinks. Fallout 4 and Skyrim will be the last iteration of a Bethesda modding community if CC is successful. they will have the foundation for their paid mods in place for the next game then all they need to do is change the engine they use (Yay!) then not release any Creation Tools (Boo!) then let the fleecing begin. Then its game over. Yup. Mod authors have put out some truly amazing stuff, all on their own, now, just think what they will be able to do working WITH Beth. Your predictions of gloom and doom have zero basis in fact, and are just your opinion, meaningless. You can no more predict the future than I can. I already told you what they would do. They will Bethesda-ize mods. Lower their features and quality to work with consoles. In the end it will result in bland content that is afraid to experiment and try new things. Profitability > Innovation Yeah, like Shivering Isles, that just sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJoseCuervo Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 Thats exactly what ive been saying. People wont pay for small content additions no matter how high quality. Very few people are going to pay money so they can have one bow added into the game even if its a really good bow. On the flipside its very possible that this paid mods attempt will have a similar effect on the community as the last one and all so mod authors can make next to nothing from it. Most folks were mad because beth advertised their games as having quality free mods and sold them on that premise. Then secretly went around and started talking with mod authors privately setting up a paid mods scheme then those same authors did exactly what beth did and advertised part of their mods as free then turned around and put them behind a paywall. This new attempt is basically the exact same thing as the old attempt except maybe you wont see funny memes like "literally nothing just pay me money" on the creation club this time around. And the games DID have free mods, they still do. With CC, you will only see NEW content. No 'parts' of mods, or anything else of that nature. Apparently, it IS possible for beth to learn something. (astounding as that revelation is......) Better mods huh? I have seen mods that blow away anything Bethesda has done. So I think your one and only positive point that you buried in your paragraph trying to justify modders selling out the community stinks. Fallout 4 and Skyrim will be the last iteration of a Bethesda modding community if CC is successful. they will have the foundation for their paid mods in place for the next game then all they need to do is change the engine they use (Yay!) then not release any Creation Tools (Boo!) then let the fleecing begin. Then its game over. Yup. Mod authors have put out some truly amazing stuff, all on their own, now, just think what they will be able to do working WITH Beth. Your predictions of gloom and doom have zero basis in fact, and are just your opinion, meaningless. You can no more predict the future than I can. I already told you what they would do. They will Bethesda-ize mods. Lower their features and quality to work with consoles. In the end it will result in bland content that is afraid to experiment and try new things. Profitability > Innovation Yeah, like Shivering Isles, that just sucked. They have been circling the toilet bowl for awhile... Imagine their games without our community.. This community is the only thing keeping this franchise alive and they want to cannibalize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Thats exactly what ive been saying. People wont pay for small content additions no matter how high quality. Very few people are going to pay money so they can have one bow added into the game even if its a really good bow. On the flipside its very possible that this paid mods attempt will have a similar effect on the community as the last one and all so mod authors can make next to nothing from it. Most folks were mad because beth advertised their games as having quality free mods and sold them on that premise. Then secretly went around and started talking with mod authors privately setting up a paid mods scheme then those same authors did exactly what beth did and advertised part of their mods as free then turned around and put them behind a paywall. This new attempt is basically the exact same thing as the old attempt except maybe you wont see funny memes like "literally nothing just pay me money" on the creation club this time around. And the games DID have free mods, they still do. With CC, you will only see NEW content. No 'parts' of mods, or anything else of that nature. Apparently, it IS possible for beth to learn something. (astounding as that revelation is......) Better mods huh? I have seen mods that blow away anything Bethesda has done. So I think your one and only positive point that you buried in your paragraph trying to justify modders selling out the community stinks. Fallout 4 and Skyrim will be the last iteration of a Bethesda modding community if CC is successful. they will have the foundation for their paid mods in place for the next game then all they need to do is change the engine they use (Yay!) then not release any Creation Tools (Boo!) then let the fleecing begin. Then its game over. Yup. Mod authors have put out some truly amazing stuff, all on their own, now, just think what they will be able to do working WITH Beth. Your predictions of gloom and doom have zero basis in fact, and are just your opinion, meaningless. You can no more predict the future than I can. I already told you what they would do. They will Bethesda-ize mods. Lower their features and quality to work with consoles. In the end it will result in bland content that is afraid to experiment and try new things. Profitability > Innovation Yeah, like Shivering Isles, that just sucked. They have been circling the toilet bowl for awhile... Imagine their games without our community.. This community is the only thing keeping this franchise alive and they want to cannibalize it. And once again, you have zero proof, evidence, or even innuendo, to support your supposition that CC will be anything but a boon to the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexotero1219 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Thats exactly what ive been saying. People wont pay for small content additions no matter how high quality. Very few people are going to pay money so they can have one bow added into the game even if its a really good bow. On the flipside its very possible that this paid mods attempt will have a similar effect on the community as the last one and all so mod authors can make next to nothing from it. Most folks were mad because beth advertised their games as having quality free mods and sold them on that premise. Then secretly went around and started talking with mod authors privately setting up a paid mods scheme then those same authors did exactly what beth did and advertised part of their mods as free then turned around and put them behind a paywall. This new attempt is basically the exact same thing as the old attempt except maybe you wont see funny memes like "literally nothing just pay me money" on the creation club this time around. And the games DID have free mods, they still do. With CC, you will only see NEW content. No 'parts' of mods, or anything else of that nature. Apparently, it IS possible for beth to learn something. (astounding as that revelation is......) Better mods huh? I have seen mods that blow away anything Bethesda has done. So I think your one and only positive point that you buried in your paragraph trying to justify modders selling out the community stinks. Fallout 4 and Skyrim will be the last iteration of a Bethesda modding community if CC is successful. they will have the foundation for their paid mods in place for the next game then all they need to do is change the engine they use (Yay!) then not release any Creation Tools (Boo!) then let the fleecing begin. Then its game over. Yup. Mod authors have put out some truly amazing stuff, all on their own, now, just think what they will be able to do working WITH Beth. Your predictions of gloom and doom have zero basis in fact, and are just your opinion, meaningless. You can no more predict the future than I can. I already told you what they would do. They will Bethesda-ize mods. Lower their features and quality to work with consoles. In the end it will result in bland content that is afraid to experiment and try new things. Profitability > Innovation Yeah, like Shivering Isles, that just sucked. The production of quality free mods slowed to basically a halt the day after beth announced the first paid mods attempt. That should tell you something. Also I will still see $1.99 bow mod for skyrim on the CC (but i have to buy todd tokens so ill need to spend 5usd to get the bow) again the major issues consumers had with the curated workshop are still there with the creation club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Thats exactly what ive been saying. People wont pay for small content additions no matter how high quality. Very few people are going to pay money so they can have one bow added into the game even if its a really good bow. On the flipside its very possible that this paid mods attempt will have a similar effect on the community as the last one and all so mod authors can make next to nothing from it. Most folks were mad because beth advertised their games as having quality free mods and sold them on that premise. Then secretly went around and started talking with mod authors privately setting up a paid mods scheme then those same authors did exactly what beth did and advertised part of their mods as free then turned around and put them behind a paywall. This new attempt is basically the exact same thing as the old attempt except maybe you wont see funny memes like "literally nothing just pay me money" on the creation club this time around. And the games DID have free mods, they still do. With CC, you will only see NEW content. No 'parts' of mods, or anything else of that nature. Apparently, it IS possible for beth to learn something. (astounding as that revelation is......) Better mods huh? I have seen mods that blow away anything Bethesda has done. So I think your one and only positive point that you buried in your paragraph trying to justify modders selling out the community stinks. Fallout 4 and Skyrim will be the last iteration of a Bethesda modding community if CC is successful. they will have the foundation for their paid mods in place for the next game then all they need to do is change the engine they use (Yay!) then not release any Creation Tools (Boo!) then let the fleecing begin. Then its game over. Yup. Mod authors have put out some truly amazing stuff, all on their own, now, just think what they will be able to do working WITH Beth. Your predictions of gloom and doom have zero basis in fact, and are just your opinion, meaningless. You can no more predict the future than I can. I already told you what they would do. They will Bethesda-ize mods. Lower their features and quality to work with consoles. In the end it will result in bland content that is afraid to experiment and try new things. Profitability > Innovation Yeah, like Shivering Isles, that just sucked. The production of quality free mods slowed to basically a halt the day after beth announced the first paid mods attempt. That should tell you something. Also I will still see $1.99 bow mod for skyrim on the CC (but i have to buy todd tokens so ill need to spend 5usd to get the bow) again the major issues consumers had with the curated workshop are still there with the creation club. What? Nobody released a major mod for two whole days? Wow. It's the end of the world...... Yeah, I am not a fan of the 'credits' thing, and I am quite sure that the scenario you describe is EXACTLY why beth did it that way. They get cash when you buy the credits, and it is rather unlikely that you will find a mod set that will permit you to burn all of them, therefore, they get 'free money'...... I DO disagree with that.. but, I don't plan on buying anything anyway. :) Unless it is something on par with Shivering isles....... I am happy to just sit back, watch, and see what happens. Not like I get a lot of choice in the matter, eh? It may crash and burn, or, it may be the next best thing since sliced bread. The biggest thing here is, we just don't know. At least give it a chance. (again, like we have a choice.....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJoseCuervo Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 Thats exactly what ive been saying. People wont pay for small content additions no matter how high quality. Very few people are going to pay money so they can have one bow added into the game even if its a really good bow. On the flipside its very possible that this paid mods attempt will have a similar effect on the community as the last one and all so mod authors can make next to nothing from it. Most folks were mad because beth advertised their games as having quality free mods and sold them on that premise. Then secretly went around and started talking with mod authors privately setting up a paid mods scheme then those same authors did exactly what beth did and advertised part of their mods as free then turned around and put them behind a paywall. This new attempt is basically the exact same thing as the old attempt except maybe you wont see funny memes like "literally nothing just pay me money" on the creation club this time around. And the games DID have free mods, they still do. With CC, you will only see NEW content. No 'parts' of mods, or anything else of that nature. Apparently, it IS possible for beth to learn something. (astounding as that revelation is......) Better mods huh? I have seen mods that blow away anything Bethesda has done. So I think your one and only positive point that you buried in your paragraph trying to justify modders selling out the community stinks. Fallout 4 and Skyrim will be the last iteration of a Bethesda modding community if CC is successful. they will have the foundation for their paid mods in place for the next game then all they need to do is change the engine they use (Yay!) then not release any Creation Tools (Boo!) then let the fleecing begin. Then its game over. Yup. Mod authors have put out some truly amazing stuff, all on their own, now, just think what they will be able to do working WITH Beth. Your predictions of gloom and doom have zero basis in fact, and are just your opinion, meaningless. You can no more predict the future than I can. I already told you what they would do. They will Bethesda-ize mods. Lower their features and quality to work with consoles. In the end it will result in bland content that is afraid to experiment and try new things. Profitability > Innovation Yeah, like Shivering Isles, that just sucked. They have been circling the toilet bowl for awhile... Imagine their games without our community.. This community is the only thing keeping this franchise alive and they want to cannibalize it. And once again, you have zero proof, evidence, or even innuendo, to support your supposition that CC will be anything but a boon to the community. Are you telling me you would still be doing Minute man radiant quests after 2 years? no, I doubt you even finished the game. For modders Modding is the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJoseCuervo Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 Thats exactly what ive been saying. People wont pay for small content additions no matter how high quality. Very few people are going to pay money so they can have one bow added into the game even if its a really good bow. On the flipside its very possible that this paid mods attempt will have a similar effect on the community as the last one and all so mod authors can make next to nothing from it. Most folks were mad because beth advertised their games as having quality free mods and sold them on that premise. Then secretly went around and started talking with mod authors privately setting up a paid mods scheme then those same authors did exactly what beth did and advertised part of their mods as free then turned around and put them behind a paywall. This new attempt is basically the exact same thing as the old attempt except maybe you wont see funny memes like "literally nothing just pay me money" on the creation club this time around. And the games DID have free mods, they still do. With CC, you will only see NEW content. No 'parts' of mods, or anything else of that nature. Apparently, it IS possible for beth to learn something. (astounding as that revelation is......) Better mods huh? I have seen mods that blow away anything Bethesda has done. So I think your one and only positive point that you buried in your paragraph trying to justify modders selling out the community stinks. Fallout 4 and Skyrim will be the last iteration of a Bethesda modding community if CC is successful. they will have the foundation for their paid mods in place for the next game then all they need to do is change the engine they use (Yay!) then not release any Creation Tools (Boo!) then let the fleecing begin. Then its game over. Yup. Mod authors have put out some truly amazing stuff, all on their own, now, just think what they will be able to do working WITH Beth. Your predictions of gloom and doom have zero basis in fact, and are just your opinion, meaningless. You can no more predict the future than I can. I already told you what they would do. They will Bethesda-ize mods. Lower their features and quality to work with consoles. In the end it will result in bland content that is afraid to experiment and try new things. Profitability > Innovation Yeah, like Shivering Isles, that just sucked. The production of quality free mods slowed to basically a halt the day after beth announced the first paid mods attempt. That should tell you something. Also I will still see $1.99 bow mod for skyrim on the CC (but i have to buy todd tokens so ill need to spend 5usd to get the bow) again the major issues consumers had with the curated workshop are still there with the creation club. What? Nobody released a major mod for two whole days? Wow. It's the end of the world...... Yeah, I am not a fan of the 'credits' thing, and I am quite sure that the scenario you describe is EXACTLY why beth did it that way. They get cash when you buy the credits, and it is rather unlikely that you will find a mod set that will permit you to burn all of them, therefore, they get 'free money'...... I DO disagree with that.. but, I don't plan on buying anything anyway. :smile: Unless it is something on par with Shivering isles....... I am happy to just sit back, watch, and see what happens. Not like I get a lot of choice in the matter, eh? It may crash and burn, or, it may be the next best thing since sliced bread. The biggest thing here is, we just don't know. At least give it a chance. (again, like we have a choice.....) They did it to eliminate refunds. All you will get back is credits. All sales are final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Thats exactly what ive been saying. People wont pay for small content additions no matter how high quality. Very few people are going to pay money so they can have one bow added into the game even if its a really good bow. On the flipside its very possible that this paid mods attempt will have a similar effect on the community as the last one and all so mod authors can make next to nothing from it. Most folks were mad because beth advertised their games as having quality free mods and sold them on that premise. Then secretly went around and started talking with mod authors privately setting up a paid mods scheme then those same authors did exactly what beth did and advertised part of their mods as free then turned around and put them behind a paywall. This new attempt is basically the exact same thing as the old attempt except maybe you wont see funny memes like "literally nothing just pay me money" on the creation club this time around. And the games DID have free mods, they still do. With CC, you will only see NEW content. No 'parts' of mods, or anything else of that nature. Apparently, it IS possible for beth to learn something. (astounding as that revelation is......) Better mods huh? I have seen mods that blow away anything Bethesda has done. So I think your one and only positive point that you buried in your paragraph trying to justify modders selling out the community stinks. Fallout 4 and Skyrim will be the last iteration of a Bethesda modding community if CC is successful. they will have the foundation for their paid mods in place for the next game then all they need to do is change the engine they use (Yay!) then not release any Creation Tools (Boo!) then let the fleecing begin. Then its game over. Yup. Mod authors have put out some truly amazing stuff, all on their own, now, just think what they will be able to do working WITH Beth. Your predictions of gloom and doom have zero basis in fact, and are just your opinion, meaningless. You can no more predict the future than I can. I already told you what they would do. They will Bethesda-ize mods. Lower their features and quality to work with consoles. In the end it will result in bland content that is afraid to experiment and try new things. Profitability > Innovation Yeah, like Shivering Isles, that just sucked. They have been circling the toilet bowl for awhile... Imagine their games without our community.. This community is the only thing keeping this franchise alive and they want to cannibalize it. And once again, you have zero proof, evidence, or even innuendo, to support your supposition that CC will be anything but a boon to the community. Are you telling me you would still be doing Minute man radiant quests after 2 years? no, I doubt you even finished the game. For modders Modding is the game. Huh? What the hell are you talking about? Also, I haven't really modded since Oblivion, so, yes, I actually PLAY the games now. (I really disliked what they did with scripting, since ALL the mods I am responsible for were purely script-based.) That, and I leave Preston and company in the Museum. Much less annoying that way. Thats exactly what ive been saying. People wont pay for small content additions no matter how high quality. Very few people are going to pay money so they can have one bow added into the game even if its a really good bow. On the flipside its very possible that this paid mods attempt will have a similar effect on the community as the last one and all so mod authors can make next to nothing from it. Most folks were mad because beth advertised their games as having quality free mods and sold them on that premise. Then secretly went around and started talking with mod authors privately setting up a paid mods scheme then those same authors did exactly what beth did and advertised part of their mods as free then turned around and put them behind a paywall. This new attempt is basically the exact same thing as the old attempt except maybe you wont see funny memes like "literally nothing just pay me money" on the creation club this time around. And the games DID have free mods, they still do. With CC, you will only see NEW content. No 'parts' of mods, or anything else of that nature. Apparently, it IS possible for beth to learn something. (astounding as that revelation is......) Better mods huh? I have seen mods that blow away anything Bethesda has done. So I think your one and only positive point that you buried in your paragraph trying to justify modders selling out the community stinks. Fallout 4 and Skyrim will be the last iteration of a Bethesda modding community if CC is successful. they will have the foundation for their paid mods in place for the next game then all they need to do is change the engine they use (Yay!) then not release any Creation Tools (Boo!) then let the fleecing begin. Then its game over. Yup. Mod authors have put out some truly amazing stuff, all on their own, now, just think what they will be able to do working WITH Beth. Your predictions of gloom and doom have zero basis in fact, and are just your opinion, meaningless. You can no more predict the future than I can. I already told you what they would do. They will Bethesda-ize mods. Lower their features and quality to work with consoles. In the end it will result in bland content that is afraid to experiment and try new things. Profitability > Innovation Yeah, like Shivering Isles, that just sucked. The production of quality free mods slowed to basically a halt the day after beth announced the first paid mods attempt. That should tell you something. Also I will still see $1.99 bow mod for skyrim on the CC (but i have to buy todd tokens so ill need to spend 5usd to get the bow) again the major issues consumers had with the curated workshop are still there with the creation club. What? Nobody released a major mod for two whole days? Wow. It's the end of the world...... Yeah, I am not a fan of the 'credits' thing, and I am quite sure that the scenario you describe is EXACTLY why beth did it that way. They get cash when you buy the credits, and it is rather unlikely that you will find a mod set that will permit you to burn all of them, therefore, they get 'free money'...... I DO disagree with that.. but, I don't plan on buying anything anyway. :smile: Unless it is something on par with Shivering isles....... I am happy to just sit back, watch, and see what happens. Not like I get a lot of choice in the matter, eh? It may crash and burn, or, it may be the next best thing since sliced bread. The biggest thing here is, we just don't know. At least give it a chance. (again, like we have a choice.....) They did it to eliminate refunds. All you will get back is credits. All sales are final. Not really a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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