sopmac45 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 No, the wall won't solve the problem. But, it will go a long way toward reducing it. How long has the US been building border security ? What is the chances of it really making a dent , and at what cost ?Is it a real thing that is possible , or just a pipe dream placebo.Do you really see it as a secure investment ? Eliminating the reasons that folks come here illegally is NOT our problem. It is not our job to solve other countries problems. Apparently it is OUR problem , because we live on the same side of the border , and CANNOT agree.Are you saying with a wall in place ... we will now start to agree ?Laissez-faire capitalism , is the problem of why people come here. The US has a proven track record of being absolutely terrible at Nation Building. Are you sure we have given it enough of an effort ? Or even the right effort ? We don't have the money, the military, the political will, or citizen backing for any more of it. We need to address our problems right here at home, including illegal immigration, and get OURSELVES back on track. Once that happens, maybe THEN we can turn our eyes outward again, and see what we can do for those less fortunate. If we are ready to drop 30 billion plus for a wall . How do we not have the money to invest more wisely in curbing the problem. And you know as well as I do , the motivation is at least 50% to poke our political enemies in the eye. Both ways ... So if we have the money for eye poking , we certainly have the money for eye patches ;P But, ARE we going to get ourselves back on track? Looking at the current situation, I don't see it happening any time soon. The political divide is just too great, and it is getting wider. With the current direction the democrats are heading, all they are going to accomplish is to further divide the people. We are heading for a fall, and its gonna be a big one. Things simply cannot continue as they are. Something is going to give, and when it does, the entire world will be affected. I fully expect to see civil war in the US again, within the next 20 years. If not sooner. It's gona be sooner than 20 years for sure if the next prez elect isn't near a 60% win ... AND , the centrists don't step up shaking the hands of their counter parts across the isle in favor of letting the extremes causing us to circle the cesspool toilet bowl. But I think for that to happen ... we will need a serious look at separation for a reality check on just what exactly we would be losing by letting it go all the way to armed conflict. Which I'm pretty sure most people thinking it's a good idea ... would get over it in about a week faced with the realities of it. And I take it back that I don't see me and you ever seeing eye to eye. I'd be willing to bet we could see eye to eye on a great many things if given the chance :wink: Folks emigrate to the US for "A better life". Referring to the illegals specifically here, they are looking for opportunity..... to be taken care of. Free food, free housing, free education, and whatever money they make, (under the table) they send back to family 'at home'. This is a drain on our resources, that could be better spent helping folks that are here legally, or, heaven forfend, are actually citizens...... We send money to the countries that most of our illegals are coming from, to ostensibly 'help' them, so they will actually stay in their own country. That obviously isn't working. The powers-that-be in those countries live well, and get rich of amercian aid dollars. You know, american tax dollars from the folks that actually work for a living. (or, simply money the government produces out of thin air.......) So, effectively, all we are doing is enriching a very few at the top of the power ladder in those countries, while the citizens of those countries are still living in abject poverty. Quite frankly, closing the border, and telling them all "no", is a viable option here. As is cutting off those aid dollars. (since they aren't helping the folks they were intended for anyway.) We also need to get rid of birthright citizenship. We are the ONLY country that does that. Go into ANY other country illegally, have your baby, and you will ALL be deported, as soon as you are discovered. if not imprisoned. And no. It is NOT our job to 'fix' other countries problems. We simply can't afford it. I have already mentioned that we are downright terrible at it. Most of those places have been dealing with the same issues for decades, or longer.... it is ingrained in their culture. The only fix for that is going to have to come from within their own community. If they aren't willing to put forth the effort to solve their own problems, how does that make it OUR problem????? … I do agree with you. There are a lot of people talking against the wall and that we should let them to come in freely ( like they are walking in their own back yard ) and bla, bla, bla. First of all, if you are not Hispanic, you will never understand the way Mexicans are. Recently it has been reported that 70% of Mexicans do not want to allow any immigrant from any Central America country to use their territory to come to US, which proves what I have been saying : Mexicans want to be the only crossing the US border and as they says all the time : Mexico is for Mexicans only !! Very selfish while they are stopping Hispanic from other countries to cross their land to come to US, they want the border to be opened so they can come back and forth. If you like them so much, again, open your own house and provide food and shelter, medication and other things they may need. But if you do not know them, if you never been in Mexico or any other Hispanic country, how are you giving your opinion here in their favor without knowing them exactly how they are ? Mexico has a big problem : their Government is a piece of s***, thieves that only care about becoming millionaires and forget about the rest of the population so that is why, in a country full of natural resources like oil, they are still a very poor country ( go there if you do not believe me ), so why in the hell we should open the border to let them in to US ? They should fix their own problem, otherwise, the Government will continue stealing while the population will continue to starving and they will find a way out : cross the border and go inside US and by the way, they do not give a s*** about US, our laws, our flag, our Anthem, etc, etc, they do not even want to learn English. This country has become, either you like it or not, like a brothel. Everybody get in and out as they please. Only in US. Try to do this in other countries and you will be shot, imprisoned, deported and you will never get the citizenship just because you had a baby in that country. This is ridiculous and that is why Mexican women come here pregnant ( they know the law and use it in their favor ), have their babies, get a lot of money from the IRS when reporting taxes and get the Citizenship in a few years. Nice. To those who are in favor of letting the border opened, soon, in a few years the Hispanic population in this country will be majority. Be prepared to face them when they try to put a President in the oval office. If that is what you want, go for. Take a look at Finland, which has been rated the best country to live in the world. They do not allow immigrants and the government takes care of its own citizens in the way that US, will never do which it is a shame. And other countries as Finland are : Denmark, Norway, etc.... a government number one mission is to have their citizens very well provided. Free health, free education, good and stable jobs, security, stability and excellent retirement benefits. Can we match that ? No, and the more people we allow to come here, the more chances we will never have to get closer to any of these citizen benefits that again, any government should provide to their citizens as parents provide to their children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJoseCuervo Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Globalists know America will never willingly bend the knee to a one world government so they are attempting to destroy us from within. If you want our nation to embrace this I suggest you visit LA and take a look at their decline, because that will be the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mktavish Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Globalists know America will never willingly bend the knee to a one world government so they are attempting to destroy us from within. If you want our nation to embrace this I suggest you visit LA and take a look at their decline, because that will be the result. Globalists like who ? And what are they doing that is destroying us from within ?If any part of your life relies on global interaction , doesn't that make you a globalist to some degree ? And what is destroying us ... is simply the unwillingness to bend a knee so to speak. And the desire to cause our counterparts here at home ... harm. To poke them in the eye. Which is what the border wall is about for a large portion of the motivation. Not really to fix a problem of co-existence .How many years could the solid wall completion be done in anyways ? Would Trump even still be alive by then ? And how much of our problem would it have alleviated anyways ?Are you sure we are not going to have a very expensive paper weight decoration in a decade ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJoseCuervo Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Globalists are in both sides of the political spectrum, but you can spot them fairly easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mktavish Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 LOL so what would be a defining trait of a globalist? Something bad from your perspective ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJoseCuervo Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 LOL so what would be a defining trait of a globalist? Something bad from your perspective ... Oligarchy / Plutocracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mktavish Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 What about investigations ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 What about investigations ?Witch hunts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mktavish Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Well if we are going to witch hunt ... can we at least test if (s)he floats ?Otherwise it's not really a witch hunt is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mktavish Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Hmm I forgot about this debate ... I guess I should have asked the volunteer border patrol question here ? And to be clear about that. There is a long history in our country of volunteer police work going on.Were this some sort of big problem ... it would have been revealed years ago.The present hyperbole about it ... is nothing more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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